By Lowell (165.247.230.11) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 01:37 am:

I've been busy. On the <<-- left, you will now notice the new SEARCH SITE link. This is a search engine that will search the entire site, forum messages and web pages.

One draw back is that it will also find dorky server pages too. These will have a .txt extension. Simply ignore them.

You will find search instructions on the search page to help you refine your searches.

So how does it work? Any feedback?

I am also pleased to announce that Part 2 of the Golden World Webisode, written by David and webbed and graphic-ed by yours truly, is now online. Enjoy!

By nikki (24.46.200.124) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 09:31 am:

Checked out the Golden World site - terrific! I enjoyed the tour, and learning more about Bob Hamilton & Sonny Sanders, the Reflections, etc. If you want any early Satintones fotos for the site, let me know. Thanks for sharing your hard work

In harmony,

Nikki
http://www.harmonytrain.com

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 09:41 am:

Lowell and David,
The Golden World story is turning into a winner. The pictures are great. I loved seeing Sonny and Popcorn as I remember them.
Great text David. I'm looking forward to the next chapter.

By thecount (64.53.143.173) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 09:48 am:

VERY NICE Lowell.Sorry I never visted this part of the site before.It's great.I also have the same picture as whats posted.A while back I posted a picture I have of THE REFLECTIONS from a studio shot from "WINTER A GO-GO.I heard somewhere a cd release of Golden World was in the makings,is this true?How coeincidental,for I'am putting a CD together at home for my own pleasure and to play at some of my home d00-wop parties,of all the Golden World records and groups on 45 that I have.My Golden World goes to 1966,and Ric-Tic to 1968.Were there any more recordings after those dates?I cant get a clean recording on the cd I'am doing of " I WONDER" by Sue Perrin do to a slight warp in the 45 itself,side B="PUT A RING ON MY FINGER".Some of these records were in my 57 chevy when I had a record player in it and the heat warped some,along with LEROY SMALLEY,Aint It A Shame and Girls are Sentimental.Probably of no interest to anyone ,but just wanted to say how very kool this thread is LOWELL,and it brought a interest to me for most of these are in the doo-wop catagory.THANX LOWELL."COUNT"

By acooolcat (210.201.192.218) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 10:29 am:

Great stuff David and Lowell.
Did you know that Sonny Sanders was also in The Quailtones?
Graham

By David Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 10:57 am:

David, Lowell

Congratulations on another excellent episode.

Stewart Ames on J&W was Stewart Avig who'd been
a member of the Valadiers, Motown's first white
group who had a sizeable hit with "Greetings,
This Is Uncle Sam" on Motown subsidiary Miracle
in late '61.

By LTLFTC (12.245.225.79) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 11:21 am:

David and Lowell - Thanks Again ! I never dreamed that I'd have access to all this info-of-interest in my lifetime , let alone in one place.
Steve K.

By M.McLeanTech (66.218.40.8) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 03:12 pm:

Lowell,

Wow! You got that thing going before my check even had time to arrive.

I tried it out and it worked reasonably well on a single word search term, but I seem to not understand how to search for a phrase. The instructions seem to imply the use of apostrophys (') as quotation marks ("). I tried both, but could not seem to get reliable results when doing the sort of search that works every time when you use www.google.com with a search term like "bed and breakfast" or "damaged the cutterhead".

I feel that a rework of the instructions for use, with more explicit detail, might help me obtain the kind of action that I would hope for.

Another problem seems to be that the dates that come up in the table are not accurate.

At any rate, something is a big improvment on nothing. That's for sure!

Thanks,

Mike McLean

By Mark Speck (65.56.5.134) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 10:10 pm:

Just finished reading Golden World Part 2--kudos on a job well done!

Looking forward to Part 3, as I'm sure everyone else is...

Best,

Mark

By Lowell (165.247.230.11) on Saturday, November 23, 2002 - 11:57 pm:

Google it ain't Mike but then you aren't searching a trillion pages either. If you use the ands and nots inventively you can can get there almost the same. Once you get the page up, especially if it is one of the lengthy forum threads, then use your browser's find command, ctrl F, to find you items on long pages.

The dates will be off because we often edit pages at later dates as we find, or others send in, corrections giving the files new modification dates.

BTW, check received; thank your for your support of this project. It is greatly appreciated and encouraging as there are many real dollar costs involved with the project. [We need Ed Wingate!] A search solution was on the way anyway, but had to wait until I got working on Golden World 2.

Also thank you for all the kind remarks above.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 07:44 am:

I've just seen stage 2 for the first time and Lowell has done another stunning job on graphics.

Davie Gordon spotted this rare GW demo on Ebay. Note the mis-spelling of WK's name. Beautiful scan.

Stage 3 should be up around Xmas time but this story has a long way to go

By Lynn Bruce (64.53.143.164) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 11:52 am:

David,I just took the golden world tour. You and Lowell did outstanding work!!

That picture of Johnny Mae Matthews house really brought back memories. I looked at the picture and saw her in the lower right window just like it was yesturday!! When I saw the picture I thought thats where she lived,then I read the line about the other guy picking out the same window confirmed it.

I also saw my mothers car sitting in that drive-way with no brakes when we walked out after rehearsing with her. It sat there for a day or two till the guitar player and myself fixed it enough to drive (with brakes almost non- existent to a garage where we could work on it better.

These memories keep coming back thanks to you two.
Thanks and SLAITE VA,Lynn

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:08 pm:

Lynn

Thanks for sharing the memories.

David

By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:20 pm:

OK GUYS; FOR THOSE OF YOU IN THE KNOW...WAS GOLDEN WORLD RECORDS A LEGITIMATE ENTITY DESIGNED TO ESTABLISH ITSELF AS A CREDIBLE PLAYER IN THE RECORD INDUSTRY...OR A CONDUIT FOR THE DISPERSAL OF MONEY OBTAINED ELSEWHERE AND PLACED IN THE RECORDING COMPANY FOR SAFE KEEPING??? ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT SUBJECT, OR IS IT PERHAPS TABOO???...

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:25 pm:

Whatever the politics behind it, Golden World made some damn fine records. If that's not a perfect raison d'etre, I don't know what is!

PS - congrats on part two of the story... like the label, another winner.

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:28 pm:

Yes.

Nice way to handle a mischievious question Ritchie.

David

By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:35 pm:

DAVID; NO MISCHIEF INTENDED...ONLY HONEST AND TRUTHFUL ANALYSIS!!!...STU

By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:39 pm:

PS TO RITCHIE; SUGE KNIGHT MAKES GREAT RECORDS TOO...AT LEAST BY FANS OF THAT GENRE...BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN WE CAN'T DISCUSS OTHER ASPECTS OF HIS LIFE!!!...STU

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:41 pm:

Please tell us what you know.

What prompts your posting?

By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 04:44 pm:

DAVID; WHILE I'M SOMEWHAT HESITANT TO GO INTO ANY DETAIL...SOME MAY CALL IT...THE MUSIC BUSINESS "BY THE NUMBERS"...STU

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 05:10 pm:

If YOU are hesitant to go into any detail, why impinge on others.

David

For what it's worth folks, I have spoken to a large number of people in Detroit and everyone, bar none, had fond memories of Ed Wingate.

David

By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 05:13 pm:

FAIR ENOUGH; JUST WONDERING IF ANYTHING EXISTS ON THE PUBLIC RECORD...STU

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 05:14 pm:

Why?

What is your problem?

By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 05:22 pm:

NO PROBLEM AT ALL...I JUST ENJOY LEARNING ABOUT "COLORFUL" CHARACTERS IN OUR SOCIETY AND WHAT MAKES THEM TICK!!!...HOWEVER...YOU RESPONSE DOES APPEAR TO ANSWER MY INITIAL QUESTION...AND APPARENTLY THIS TOPIC IS TABOO, AT LEAST IN YOUR HIGHLY RESPECTED OPINION...BEST...STU

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 05:26 pm:

If you don't like my opinion or how I operate my/our website then you know where the door is.

This is an appraisal of the wonderful music of sixties Detroit, not a muck raking execrcise.

By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 05:58 pm:

DAVID; THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE...HOWEVER... I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW "YOUR RESPECTED OPINION" TRANSLATES INTO "I HATE YOUR OPINION AND THE WAY YOU OPERATE"...CERTAINLY NOT MY INTENDED POSTULATION! I HAVE HEARD OTHER RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THIS SITE SPEAK OF GUNS BEING PULLED ON THEM AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT MAY NOT REFER SPECIFICALLY TO MUSIC AND MIXES. IF THERE IS A LIST OF DO'S AND DONT'S FOR PARTICIPATION ON THE FORUM, I'D BE HAPPY TO REVIEW IT AND RESPECT IT'S TENENTS. IF ONE DOESN'T LIKE SOMETHING I POST...PLEASE LET ME KNOW, IN THAT MY INTENTION RELATING TO MY PARTICIPATION IS NOT TO OFFEND ANYONE, BUT FOR A THOUGHTFUL AND TRUTHFUL DIALOGUE AS RELATES TO SOULFUL DETROIT. THERE WERE MANY MORE BLATENT REFERENCES TO INDIVIDUALS IN THE MOVIE SITSOM...BUT I HAVEN'T ACCUSED ANYONE OF ANYTHING...ONLY ASKING...BEST...STU

By M.McLeanTech (66.218.41.27) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 08:44 pm:

StuBass,

Ed Wingate is a living person.

If there is a question about him about a police matter, it should be discussed with the police, not on this forum.

Have you ever heard of libal laws? You can't speculate about a person in this way without doing damage to his reputation.

That is a very serious matter, and a person can be sued for damages.

It does not take a high IQ to figure this out.

It is no wonder that you have David's hair standing up on the back of his neck.

Mike McLean

By Lowell (165.247.230.11) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 08:47 pm:

Yikes, this is heading south. Ralph? Somebuddy, make us laugh.

By STUBASS (152.163.188.68) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 10:43 pm:

MIKE; I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW OF THE GENTLEMANS' YOU MENTIONED PRESENT STATUS, AND CERTAINLY HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HIM. IN FACT, I DON'T RECALL MENTIONING THAT OR ANY OTHER NAME IN MY REMARKS. CERTAINLY WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WAS BASED ONLY ON NUMEROUS COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY AND AROUND THE CITY. I CERTAINLY CAN'T SPEAK OF ANY AND ALL INDIVIDUALS CONNECTED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO THIS OR ANY OTHER BUSINESS ENTERPRISE. IF I WAS PERSONALLY AWARE OF ANY IMPROPRIETY, I WOULDN'T HAVE ASKED ABOUT SOMETHING I ALREADY KNOW. IF I THOUGHT THIS SUBJECT WAS TABOO, WHICH I ASKED IN MY COMMENTS, I WOULD HAVE LAID OFF JUST FOR THE SAKE OF COURTESY...HOWEVER, I HAVE HEARD PEOPLE ACCUSE CERTAIN PRODUCERS OF STEALING MONEY ON THIS FORUM, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER PERSONAL ANICDOTES WHICH, DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE OF THE ISSUE YOU SIT, ARE APPROPRIATE OR INAPPROPRIATE. I CERTAINLY MEANT NO DISRESPECT TO DAVID OR ANYONE ELSE, AND DON'T QUITE KNOW HOW HE INTREPRETED MY REMARKS THAT WAY. THAT BEING SAID, AS I MENTIONED TO DAVID, IF HE FEELS THAT A CERTAIN TOPIC IS OFF LIMITS, THEN I REALLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH HIS JUDGEMENT. HE CERTAINLY HAS MORE INVESTED IN THIS FORUM THAN I DO, SO COURTESY WOULD DICTATE THAT I DEFER ON THIS MATTER, AND SAVE THIS TOPIC FOR ANOTHER FORUM OR DISCUSSION. THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST...STU

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 11:55 pm:

What the hell did I just walk into? Stu...please keep on the subject of music. Nothing else should be discussed here. Please! There are certain topics that should be off limits. Your courtesy is appreciated Stu.

By STUBASS (152.163.188.68) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 12:45 am:

RALPH; I'M THROUGH ON THIS ONE!!! APOLOGIES TO ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THEY DESERVE IT...STU

By David Meikle (213.122.164.97) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 03:33 am:

"Soul Talk" awaits!

I've never read so much two-faced shit in all my life.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 09:19 am:

Apologies accepted Stu. OK gang let's get back on track here.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:50 am:

Ralph:
Thanks again for keeping the peace. I don't know what this site would be without your supervision. I agree that we should stick to the music & passion and leave the controversies to the National Enquirer.

David:
Splendid job with the Golden World Story and thank you for using the photo of Sonny Sanders in the mix. I have learned more about this label (and others)on this website than any book, documentary or commentary could offer. Just the fact that Joanne Bratton reached out to you is testimony that a story needed to be told. I grew up listening to records by Edwin Starr, the Reflections, San Remo Golden Strings and the Fantastic Four so it's great to read the story of the label that helped create this fine music.

One last note - three years ago I interviewed Andre Williams (who recorded "Sweet Little Pussycat" for Ric-Tic among others) and he had nothing but great things to say about Ed Wingate and Joanne Bratton. He said they were very supportive of their artists and demanded nothing but the best.

Again, great job well done. Looking forward to Part 3.

Regards,
Kevin "KevGo" Goins

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:08 am:

Thanks Kevin,
I appreciate the thought.

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:23 am:

Andre Williams - now there's a name which deserves a wider hearing! That guy's reminiscences would be a mighty fine read, and would be spot-on topic for this forum.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:29 am:

Ritchie:
I've interviewed Andre for many projects over the past four years. He could (and should) write an autobiography of his life and career in music.
Andre is indeed a character!
Regards,
KevGo

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 12:53 pm:

Kev - indeed. There can't be many Detroit artists around, whose career stretches right back into the Fifties. I'd love to read his story.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:42 pm:

Ritchie:
If you're interested, there are two CDs that contain my liner notes from interviews I conducted with Andre which pretty much make for an "autobiography" for now. The CDs are "Rib Tips & Pig Snoots" (STS CD 6345) and "Whip Your Booty!" (STS CD 6349) and they are available through the Tuff City/Soul-Tay-Shus label (www.tuffcity.com). You can order them from their website. While the notes may not cover certain aspects ("Bacon Fat", "Shake A Tailfeather")and focus mainly about the songs on the CDs I did include a couple of anecdotes and items to give the reader a full-dimensional view of Andre.
Regards
Kevin "KevGo" Goins

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:17 pm:

Coincidentally enough, I found myself on that site last night, all in the name of research - after typing "Hollywood Flames" into a search engine. I'll go back and check it out. Thanks!

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:47 pm:

Ritchie:
Also, Goldmine has done an extensive interview with Andre a year or so ago because of an issue regarding the Five Dollars and Fortune Records. You may want to search these items as well.
Good luck,
KevGo

By Frankj (212.159.70.184) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 10:57 pm:

Mr Meikle. I wonder if you could explain what your "Soul Talk Awaits" comment is supposed to mean? Is this a somewhat snotty sideswipe at another list concerned in the furtherance and pursuit of knowledge of soul? If it is I don't understand. I am a moderator of probably the original internet northern soul chatlist (not soul talk) and if anybody came out with such nonesense toward another list I'd pull the plug in a minute. Soul Talk is superbly marshalled by Dave Flynn, a knowledgable and respected soulster who keeps the flag flying via his great work with the Capitol Soul Club and other DJ spots, a couple of web sites and has even found time to make some great contributions on this very forum. Soul Talks membership includes many of the movers and shakers who by there own efforts continue to breathe life into the Northern scene on a weekly basis. People such as Ady Croasdell who via Kent Records, his 100 club and weekender activities has probably done more in the cause of soul in the UK than anyone. And you come up with a crass comment like "Soul Talk Awaits" you better get a reality check mate. Megalomania can finish up as a very lonely condition and great as this site is, people will only tolerate just so much of the this is "My Site" crap before they leave you to enjoy it... alone. Yes, like you told Stu I too know where the door is. Stus crime seemed to be a suggestion that the soul record business might not have always been sweetness and light. Heaven forbid he should impinge on your rose coloured world where all was sweetness, light and brotherhood and never a dodgy deal done. I have commended this site to many, many budding and experienced internet soulsters in the past and will continue to do so with the proviso to beware that the forum is run by a guy pumped up with his own self importance, hell bent on becoming a pariah on the UK soul scene.
I know where the door is. Soul talk does await thank goodness.
Frank Jackson

By M.McLeanTech (12.141.160.25) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 11:50 pm:

Dear Mr. Jackson,

I refer you to my posting above, on this thread:

By M.McLeanTech (66.218.41.27) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 08:44 pm:

This posting clearly defines the issue.

My feeling (after reading your present posting) is that you have jumped to a conclusion that is totally out of touch with the reality of the matter.

I hope that this will help to clear this up.

Cheers,

Mike McLean

By Frankj (212.159.70.184) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 12:35 am:

You seem to have missed the point Mike. While I do feel that David was a little rough on Stu and an offlist chat pointing out the problems might have been more appropriate this was not the point I took issue with him on. It was his "Soul Talk Awaits" comment that offended me. Soul Talk is another chatlist and website which boasts a membership dedicated to the furtherance of the soul scene in the UK. Many of its members put their time money and effort into actively promoting soul in the UK and for David to take such a cheap shot at it is absolutely despicable behaviour from a lad who looks to have developed some serious ego problems. Soul talk has a moral code that forbids personal attacks and attacks on other lists. David it seems, has morals only when it suits him and only develops a spine when the person he attacks or tells off on here is not a big celebrity in his eyes. Otherwise how is it for example certain people can use profanities at leisure on the forum while others get pulled for relative trivia? Don't tell me it ain't so because the archives say different. I'm sorry Mike but I think David is severely out of order here which is a shame as this has been one of the premier sites on the net.Never mind though as "Soul Talk Awaits".

Frankj

By M.McLeanTech (12.141.160.25) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 02:03 am:

Dear Frank,

I see your point now.

I took David's post to mean: Soul Talk (the proper subject) awaits for it to be resumed.

I then thought that he was commenting on Stu's past posts.

Now I can see that it meant: Stu, take your businiss to this other (rag) thread which is such a profoundly big bunch of trash.

That one went right over my head.

Your point is well taken.

If this other site is really as raunchy as that, I must consider taking MY business over there!

Naaaaaa! Just kidding.

I'm gonna stay out of this.

Thanks,

Mike McLean

By David Meikle (213.122.83.164) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 03:55 am:

Dear Frank

The "Soul Talk awaits" comment is based on the fact that our ex poster, Mel (and then some), went to Soul Talk the last time he went in the huff. Stubass is a friend of his hence the remark.
They like each other a lot.

When I get posts directly raised to upset me I deal with them as I see fit. I take it from your message that you do the same.

In no way am I denegrating something I know nothing about. Or is this the site I had temporary membership to? Honestly I cannot remember if it was that or not but Dave Flynn was definitely involved. Eighteen months ago.

As for the rest of your message, I am not on an ego trip. I am defending the name of Ed Wingate. I also take exception to material which I find offensive. Why not?

I am told this is one of the easiest going forums on the web. If that is the case then perhaps my outbursts pay off. There must be a reason.

I accept your point in good faith. When you see Dave Flynn please tell him I am not sniping at Soul Talk. Someone has just made it a reference point in the past for leaving here.

By the way you didn't stay out the door for long.

Welcome back!

By David Meikle (213.122.83.164) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 04:09 am:

Dear Kev

Thanks for your sanity on what is my last day on SD.

Your Sonny Sanders image will be one of the best to be displayed on this site.

To everyone else :-

I've explained my actions many times on this site before. I have even apologised and opened up regards my own position as a human being.

I am fed up with the assholes of this world however. Once the debacle on this thread clears up another one will appear next week.

I am not running away from these issues, my health just doesn't need them.

To the decent people of this forum I say thanks. In particular Ralph Terrana.

And of course Lowell Boileau.

Gone for good and with no reappearances.

David

By Flynny (213.1.130.56) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 06:06 am:

I was a little shocked to read the *soul-talk* name raised unnecessarily within such a heated debate! I have read this thread (and other relevant ones) and believe David when he says he wasn't dissing *soul-talk*, although I can easily see how it was interpreted thus! No offence has been taken.

I also realise that if the conversation was happening face-to-face in a pub, then it probably wouldn't have got as out of control as it has, and folk would've probably agreed to disagree and then got the next round in!

It is a real shame to see the way this forum has often quickly fallen into arguments over the last few months...but hell, let's face it, not everyone is gonna agree with everyone on every single subject all of the time...it's a fact of life!


David Flynn

By FY3C (63.188.32.46) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 07:15 am:

Don't let the door hit u where the good Lord split u David. You won't be missed. The only "ass" that frequented this forum was u. Who died and made u king?

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:30 am:

FY3C,
This web-site is, along with Lowell, the brainchild of David. Now whether that makes him " king " or not is not for me to say.It does, however, give him the right to decide how this forum is to be represented. David has certain standards. Standards that I admire greatly. Due to the vast amount of people posting here I'm not sure it is realistic to adhere to the standards David feels are ideal. That, I suppose, is not a practical reality.

David became a little upset with a remark by StuBass regarding certain implications regarding Ed Wingate of Golden World. Nothing very serious, but David felt the remarks were inappropriate. StuBass being the gentleman he is backed off. End of problem.

I feel David sufficiently explained his remark about the other web-site. Once again things are getting out of hand because of some minor misunderstandings.

Without David, I don't see this web-site surviving for very long. I think most of us are truly
unaware of the effort David puts forth here.
I think we all need to stand as one in support of David and hope that he will reconsider his decision to leave here.

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 10:50 am:

FYC3,

Or should I say Twocents Worth ?

If there's anybody who wouldn't be missed on this forum it's you. I've yet to see you say anything
constructive or informative. Instead you hide
behind pseudonyms sniping anonymously at others.

David and Lowell created this forum - the platform you've just used to tell it's creator
"He won't be missed"

No wonder he's had enough ... and to give you
something to think about - David and Lowell
can quite easily pull the plug on this site and
its forum. If that happened (and don't kid yourself it couldn't ) it will be impossible to
replace.

I'm really not sure if I can see you being adult
enough to apologise - my instincts say "no" since
you've never been adult enough to identify yourself.

Hope you're proud of yourself.

By LTLFTC (12.245.225.79) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:17 am:

David ; Your "outbursts" DO help keep things on track. I'm sure many of us would go over-the-top a lot more often than we do if not for your standards and common sense. Thanks again for all you've done (and hopefully will continue to do).

Steve K.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:20 am:

David Meikle:
My friend...You are so needed here at Soulful Detroit that to read that you may leave saddens me. Like I've said I've learned more about the history of 60s & 70s Soul and R&B than any other place (and I work in the music industry producing reissues). Granted, there are those who pride themselves on making life difficult (I'm not gonna give them the benefit of mentioning names) but you shouldn't let their personas drive you batty. Please reconsider your departure & stay. I'd be more than happy to help you, Lowell, Ralph Terrana keep the peace if that helps.
Your friend in soul,
Kevin L. Goins - "KevGo"

By Ritchie (62.254.0.8) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:44 am:

Sorry, guys - I've been out all day. It seems that once again, a few ill-chosen words have caused a situation to escalate out of proportion. I remember my father once advising me that mere insults were nothing to get too hung up about, as the opinion of a fool has no value. Even so, it's easy to feel hurt or enraged but, with so much love on this Forum, should one malicious person's mischief upset this usually-steady vessel?

David, it's your baby and your choice, but please remember all the mutual respect and good feeling that still exists here, invisibly but strongly binding us together. A few small drops of vitriol can't pollute an ocean of love.

Ritchie

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:59 am:

Thanks or the above posts on David's behalf guys. I have created a David Meikle thread that will hopefully get a dialogue going to smooth this situation out. After all, David IS Soulful Detroit

By David Meikle (62.6.71.105) on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 10:35 am:

Mr Frank Jackson

I was hoping for some kind of apology but it looks like it is not forthcoming.

Your message opened with a question, but before I could answer that question, you assasinated me in front of everyone.

But firstly, thanks to Dave Flynn who responded quickly and accepted my explanation. That has been important for my sanity.

Secondly, regards me being a megalomaniac and pariah on (of) the UK Soul Scene. I need an example of that. I do not feel part of the UK Soul Scene for one thing. I also do not get much contact from the UK Soul Scene, although that has surprised me. I do however receive a large number of viruses from somewhere in England. That started long before my first outbursts.

Reference my "rose-coloured" world where "never a dodgy deal is done in the record business".
Ms JoAnne Bratton asked me to call her re an article in the Detroit Free Press. As a result of that discussion, I was able to formulate a webisode which is currently running. There is no way on this planet that I was going to put anything in there that would offend JoAnne or Ed.

Is my reasoning impossible to understand?
For God's sake, surely not.

However it goes deeper than that. Myself and others took offence at Mel's declaration that he would hate to be classed a shirtlifter (a highly provocative term to the Gay Community). His stance was supported by StuBass. I could tell they were angry at my outburst and felt an atmosphere surrounding them...comments like Mel being put in a Scottish dungeon for example.

IMO they were waiting for their moment and it came in the format of suggesting part of the GW story may be taboo on this website (albeit Mel did not say this but he declared his support by saying he was "outahere").

I must also correct you on me not having the spine to control big name celebrities. Well I tackled Mike McLean about his profanities when he first appeared. Albeit, it lead to me resigning from Moderator.

Yes I am not responsible for the difficult job of Moderator. The fact that I stood down from that position showed my concern that things should be allowed to lighten up. That is not the action of a megalomaniac.

However, if I see something which I consider highly offensive I will speak out.

I also tackled one of the Dalton Boys, but maybe thats not big time in your eyes.

A further half a dozen "non-celebrities" have been "spoken to". Only was has ever been asked to leave.

That was Andrew Hamilton from Cleveland, Ohio, who is FY3C above and user of many aliases on this forum.



Again, I put to you that 8 instances of wrath in 13 months is hardly attacking members of the forum.

Nice to hear you mention Ady croasdell. Unfortunately it brought back memories of a posting by Mel, however, who declared that anybody with the material available to Ady could do his job. That one made me shake my head furiously but I never said anything...so it goes to show that I was attempting to be liberal.

Another point about me only digging up "non celebrities" when they use profanities. A poster by the name of Jay used the F word the other day (Monday?). He was not spoken to.

I have spoken out before, however, because my Step-Daughter reads the forum from time to time. I think that profanities, in writing, demean the writer and do nothing for the argument. I will also own up to swearing probably twice on here. That was a moment of rage and, I accept, double standards.

So that's about it Mr Jackson. A response would be nice. Your messages will be archived and left for everyone to see. To see the openness that exists on this forum.

If you feel like responding then please remember what you were taught as a kid..."Look before you leap".

And please don't call me a megalomaniac or a pariah, I'm actually quite the opposite.

sincerely David

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.26) on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 11:47 am:

David,

"They're smiling in your face,
All the time they wanna take your place.."

We all know the rest .. shiftless, shady kinda
people.

To hell with them - have a break and come back to
your friends on the forum when you're ready.
We'll still be here.

Everybody that knows you knows you're no
megalomaniac - that seems more appropriate to
somebody who I've never heard of insinuating
that you're a "pariah". Just who is Frank Jackson
claiming he speaks for ? It's certainly not
the people I know from the wider soul scene,
people who are interested in more than "stompers".

I'm getting too angry to keep coherent - as I
said, "to hell with them"

Davie