KIM VS. TAMMI VS. DIANA

SoulfulDetroit.com FORUM: Archive - Beginning Feb 03: KIM VS. TAMMI VS. DIANA
Top of pageBottom of page   By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 09:33 pm:

OK! NO "CATFIGHTS" HERE...BUT DECIDED TO TAKE A BREAK FROM MY WEEKEND OFF TO POSE THE QUESTION...WHICH OF "MARVINS GIRLS" BROUGHT OUT THE BEST OF HIS TALENT, AND WHICH PRODUCED THE MOST MEMORABLE HITS??? OBVIOUSLY, MARVIN AND TAMMI HAD THE GREATEST NUMBER OF HITS...MARVIN AND KIM WERE THE FIRST, AND MARVIN HAD DIANA AFTER HE HAD TAMMI NO MORE,,, BUT WHICH DUO DID YOU PREFER, AND DOES ANYONE KNOW WHICH DUO MARVIN PREFERRED??? WELCOME YOUR COMMENTS???

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (152.163.188.68) on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 10:20 pm:

Stu Bass - What an awesome thread to start - Let's give all the ladies credit - all great singers indeed!

Hands Down my personal choice is
Ms. Tammi Terrell..
but of course I am bias...Tammi was Marvin's favorite according to folks I have talked with..
She had truly amazing pipes and the emotion to her vocals just goes right to your soul...

Vickie
TammiProject@aol.com

Top of pageBottom of page   By Bradburger (172.179.222.251) on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 11:01 pm:

Good thread STUBASS.

But don't forget Mary Wells!

Cheers

Paul

Top of pageBottom of page   By MusicMelvin (63.188.32.32) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 02:56 am:

Unbelievable, this guy didn't even know that Marvin Gaye first recorded with Mary Wells.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Ritchie (62.254.0.7) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 05:54 am:

No contest - gotta be Ms Montgomery for me. Pure magic.

Top of pageBottom of page   By MelsMate (195.219.7.44) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 06:45 am:

Stu,
California Soul says it all.
Tammi Terrell hands down.(no disrespect to kim )

Top of pageBottom of page   By HW (68.37.217.106) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 11:29 am:

Tammi and Marvin were the magical duet, for sure.

This note: on California Soul, Marvin overdubbed to the track sung by Valerie Simpson singing like Tammi.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Nish (66.119.34.39) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 12:23 pm:

Sigh... I'm gonna fall in line and say Tammi, but I have to qualify that by saying I think his work with Ms. Weston was equally pure. Not as fruitful, of course, but I think he had that "two innocents in love" vibe going on with Kim. The duets he did with Mary Wells were kind of bluesy, kind of reminds me of a Motownified continuation of the Harvey and Etta duets.

Top of pageBottom of page   By MelsMate (195.219.7.48) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 12:45 pm:

HW,
That is really interesting about the california soul track.I know my mate mel was about to do an in-depth piece on Valerie Simpson.Anyway,apart from what youve pointed out,its still TammiTerrell(montgomery)for me.

Top of pageBottom of page   By MelsMate (195.219.7.120) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 01:08 pm:

HW,
regards the above item,I have just been on the phone with my mate mel,hes not certain but he mentioned that didnt Valerie Simpson also overdub on the track,The Onion Song?
Theres also the version of California Soul on the VERVE record label by vals other half,Nick Ashford.
Anyway apart from all that,its still Tammi for me.

Top of pageBottom of page   By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 01:34 pm:

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR OPINIONS! BRADBURGER..."YOU BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH" ON MARY WELLS, ESP. "64" ALBUM "TOGETHER", HOWEVER, THAT PARTICULAR ALBUM FAILED TO GAIN THE "CROSSOVER" RECOGNITION THAT THE OTHERS ACHIEVED. HW...INTERESTING TIDBIT ON MARVIN AND VALERIE SIMPSON, HOWEVER I MAY LOSE SLEEP WONDERING HOW NICK ASHFORD WOULD HAVE FAIRED ON "WHATS GOING ON". ANYWAYS, MARVIN & TAMMI, AT THIS POINT , APPEAR TO HAVE THE LEAD! ANY DIANA FANS OUT THERE TO HEAR FROM??? STU

Top of pageBottom of page   By Greg C. (209.71.79.207) on Sunday, November 10, 2002 - 02:59 pm:

Marvin and Tammi were pure magic! That's forever.

Marvin and Kim were okay, but Motown didn't really get behind them and "It Takes Two" was the highlight of that union.

Marvin and Diana was strictly marketing, economics, and studio magic. Both artists were hot at the time and Motown wanted to cash in on that popularity.

At the time that album was made Gaye and Ross weren't on the best of terms. He wanted to smoke his weed during the sessions and she objected to the smoke and the smell because she was pregnant. They ended up with him laying down his tracks and she coming in later and doing hers. That album didn't set the world on fire, in fact it tanked!

Top of pageBottom of page   By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 01:34 pm:

Marvin and Tammi will always be the "it" couple for me (although hearing Marvin & Valerie on "The Onion Song" & "California Soul" ain't too bad either).

NOTE TO HW - Didn't Valerie also sing on "Good Lovin' Ain't Easy..."?

Regards,
KevGo

Top of pageBottom of page   By Steve L. (209.100.86.4) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 02:04 pm:

I always thought "Once Upon A Time" with Mary Wells & Marvin was great. Maybe the music wasn't the standard Motown & that's what I liked about it.
I think Tammi & Marvin were the tops. The double CD set is wonderful and it shows how they crafted some of Tammi's solo work(Hold Me, Oh My Darling) into a Marvin & Tammi tune. I also think that Tammi & Marvin had the best material(Ashford & Simpson at their peak) to work with.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Common (209.2.55.115) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 04:33 pm:

Hello everyone,

I'll venture to say that maybe all of Marvin's duet partners brought something special to the pot but of course, the duets with Tammi will always be cherished & loved overall. I love the first two Marvin & Tammi LPs that they made together. For some reason, even though I do like a couple of songs from Marvin's duets w/Val, I tend not to want to third LP. I guess that's because I know Tammi is actually performing on only two songs. I'm just loyal like that I suppose. :o)

BTW, Marvin & Diana duets are not that bad. There are some cool moments on that CD. Matter of fact, I play it quite often. I just feel that Marvin & Tammi songs were well written & the performances came from the heart. There'll never be another great duo like them.

Peace!

Top of pageBottom of page   By HW (68.37.217.106) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 07:39 pm:

on the Marvin & Tammi Complete Duets collection, if you figure that Motown overdubbed Marvin on previously recorded Tammi solo tracks after a certain time period, you can figure out which tracks on 'EASY' are Valerie playing TT; it is about 10 of the 12.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Bob Olhsson (68.32.101.228) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 08:42 pm:

I understand that the proceeds from those albums were used to to help with Tammi's medical expenses.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (152.163.188.68) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:22 pm:

I think Val did an excellent job with those recordings...they are just as important to Tammi's legacy as Tammi's recordings...they help tell her story..They were all friends and there's a lot of love there....

Vickie

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (152.163.188.68) on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 09:23 pm:

I think Val did an excellent job with those recordings...they are just as important to Tammi's legacy as Tammi's recordings...they help tell her story..They were all friends and there's a lot of love there....I am grateful that Harry put them in one collection...

Vickie

Top of pageBottom of page   By StingBeeLee (68.43.129.202) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:21 am:

I will discuss the best singers in rock and roll with anyone, and usually I have no qualms with anyone, such as opinions such as Freddie Jackson being the best male singer of all time, or Mary J. Blige being the best female singer of all time. But, but, but, I believe that Marvin and Tammi were the best duet of all time. They sang better together than anyone, the production was better, it seems as though the musicians knew they were playing for them, they breathed on record better than anyone, they sighed better, they paused on records better, their emphasis on certain words were better, their obvious deep love for singing together was better than anyone. They set the standard for which all duets are judged. Stubass you know all Pasteurites opinions must rule!

Top of pageBottom of page   By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:37 am:

STINGBEE; THE WAY YOU HAVE SUMMED UP YOUR FEELINGS IN SUCH AN ARTICULATE AND SUCCINCT MANNER...AS ONLY A CASS TECH GRADUATE COULD ILLUCIDATE... HOW COULD A MERE PASTUERITE OFFER AN UTTERANCE IN DISAGREEMENT??? REGARDS...STU

Top of pageBottom of page   By SteveS (68.41.251.33) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:44 am:

Stu,

Ahem...that's elucidate.

SteveS (winner of 1958 Bagley spelling bee)

Top of pageBottom of page   By Gary Rosen (12.234.95.0) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 03:52 am:

Not much to add to SlingBee. The Marvin/Tammi duets weren't just the best of Motown, they were among the best pop records ever made by anyone, anywhere, any time.

- Gary Rosen

Top of pageBottom of page   By MelsMate (195.219.7.68) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 09:47 am:

Vickie,
Right-on sister,I couldnt
agree more.

Top of pageBottom of page   By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 11:28 am:

STEVES & STINGBEE; THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW THE KONTRIDICSHUN BETWEEN BAGLEY AND PASTUER,,,AS WELL AS CASS TECH AND ALL OTHERS. VICKIE; DID YOU EVER HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET TAMMI? ACTUALLY, I DID DURING THE MID 60'S BACKSTAGE OF A TEMPTS PERFORMANCE. SHE WAS STILL A TEENAGER...TOTALLY CHARMING WITH HUGE EYES THAT STARED STRAIGHT AT YOU. CARRIED HERSELF LIKE A STAR BUT VERY DOWN TO EARTH. I REMEMBER HER TELLING US AT THE TIME THAT HER GREATEST DESIRE IN LIFE WAS TO HAVE HER OWN HOME ON WEST OUTER DRIVE!!!

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (64.12.97.7) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 11:46 am:

Awe, StuBass..
No, I never met her..I am only 36..I feel like I know her through all of this research for the book..Tammi's sister is so excited to finally be telling her sister's story..Tammi's friends and family really have "stepped up" to help show who she truly was...The feeling I get from everyone that was around her or encountered her, they say it's something they'll never forget and that she was truly special. I am bringing that to the surface here with this book..

Vickie
TammiProject@aol.com

Top of pageBottom of page   By Common (209.2.55.113) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:29 pm:

Hello Vickie,

I can't wait to read the book on Tammi. It sounds exciting. I hope you have great success with this book. :o)

Peace!

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (64.236.243.31) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 02:27 pm:

Thanks Common,
I feel a lot of support from Tammi's fans and especially folks on this site..It's personal to a degree..I can't let the people down that I have become friends with through this journey and especially can't let down Tammi's friends and family...
It is special indeed...

Vickie :)
Peace!

Top of pageBottom of page   By StingBeeLee (68.43.129.202) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 08:59 pm:

SteveS and Stubass...it's back to the old Bagley vs. Pasteur debate. Thanks for the messages, they provided a laugh when I needed it. Vickie, I know when I put on Marvin and Tammi that I am meeting both of them. They speak to me, as they do so many others. Their singing together lasted as long as it should, as I believe Tammi was in pain and the Lord decided to take her away from the pain of this world. Let's not forget Kim Weston on "It takes Two" "I want you around" and others that I now beginning to hear, as Kim just sang beyond herself on her duets with Marvin.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (64.236.243.31) on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 10:31 pm:

That's simply beautiful StingBeeLee, that's
the kind of things we have compiled for this book..Their spirits connected on those recordings and remain to this day...

Vickie

Top of pageBottom of page   By John Lester (62.49.61.57) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 09:30 am:

I would mention that the MPG and Oma Heard duets seem to be well respected here in the UK.....

I am not sure I would put them in the same class as the DETROIT gals though

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (205.188.209.38) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:03 am:

John Lester..
where've you been?
it seems you have been gone from us for a while.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:14 am:

Yeah, and it's been AGES since you've taken any shots at me John. Are you OK son???

Top of pageBottom of page   By John lester (62.49.61.57) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:25 am:

I am sorry...........I have had problems with my software - and dont mention the words "windows xp" to me or I shall scream!!

Plus, I downloaded a program which supposedly stops spam....since then I have had more spam than ever! It's called "mailwasher" - now I can only use email at work.....

It may seem like I have gone away but I am always here in spirit!

Off or on Souful Detroit, I can assure you I wont miss out on your book!!

Top of pageBottom of page   By Vickie (205.188.209.38) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 10:49 am:

I have pushed my self so hard to get a lot done..
I am really hoping to set a realistic deadline for Tammi's 6oth Birthday...2005

Vickie :)

Top of pageBottom of page   By Carl Dixon London (62.31.32.130) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 11:23 am:

John, the only thing you can do with spam is delete it or eat it!

Top of pageBottom of page   By MelsMate (195.219.7.78) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 11:50 am:

spam,spam,spam,spam,
wonderful spam.
Erik the Viking.
p.s.John,dont let it get you down brother.
pps.Was this monty python song ever cut over in Detroit?

Top of pageBottom of page   By TonyRussi (68.18.48.135) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 01:13 pm:

"Whats The Matter With You Baby"#17 pop and the flip side "Once Upon A Time"#19 pop was the only 45 release for Mary Wells with Marvin Gaye as Mary was already in the courtroom battle with Motown when these 2 songs were hits.Split play kept one or the other from being top ten.It was an important pairing for Marvin as had only 2 top 40 hits at the time"Pride & Joy"#10 and "HitchHike"#30.Marvin always said he loved the way his & Marys'voices blended.

Top of pageBottom of page   By StingBeeLee (68.43.129.202) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 11:34 pm:

John, I will have to go back to my box set and listen to the Oma Heard duets more closely. I just listened to the Marvin/Kim duet on the Tamla/Motown Connoisseur CD and dang!, Kim is just flat out determined to keep up with Marvin. That's why Marvin/Diana's duets were so mixed, Marvin just sang circles around Diana, that's the other reason they had to record separately (besides the weed smoking).

Top of pageBottom of page   By R&B (138.238.41.118) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:19 pm:

I HAVE TO SAY TAMMI,SHE AND MARVIN SOUNDED SO GOOD THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE MYSELF INCLUDED{UNTIL I FOUND OUT ABOUT DAVID RUFFIN}THOUGHT THAT MARVIN AND TAMMI WERE LOVERS,JUST LISTEN TO IF THIS WORLD WERE MINE AND YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY MARVIN AND TAMMI WERE THE GREATEST DUO EVER.NOT TO SLIGHT MARY,KIM,OR DIANA BUT WITH TAMMI IT WAS JUST PURE MAGIC.

Top of pageBottom of page   By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:28 pm:

R&B; YOU COULD FOR SURE SEE THE SPARKS WHEN MARVIN AND TAMMY WERE SINGING TOGETHER...STU


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