By Caleb (209.244.233.186) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 10:52 pm: |
I saw the Reflection thread and had been listening to a greatest hits collection of the Supremes and thought this tune,"Love Is Here And Now Your Gone",would be a good one to comment on.The basswork and bass part is hall of fame material-some of the best basswork I've ever heard.
By STUBASS (206.135.204.2) on Monday, November 04, 2002 - 11:34 pm: |
"SOMEDAY WE'LL BE TOGETHER"...ANOTHER KICKIN BASS TRACK..."SON OF A BUICK FOR CHRYSLER SAKE...THEY'RE *ALL* KICKIN...STU
By soulboy (213.105.242.198) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 03:59 am: |
I am NOT a bass expert by any means,but i could swear at least some of that song is done on upright bass. the whole bass sound has a different quality to it. Allthough the playing is consistant with jamerson's style.
By Common (209.2.55.113) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 08:23 am: |
Hello Everyone,
I'm not a bass aficiando(sp?) either, but I just love the bass playing on this song. The beginning of the song reminds of the intro to the Addams Family theme. I know, this is a weird comparsion but that's what it sounds like to me. LOL! On any of the classic Motown songs, it's Jameson's busy bass that was one of the secret ingredients to the "Motown Sound". :o)
Peace!
By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
Common,
"The Addams Family" theme : -) , y'know you
could be right. I'll listen again and see if
I can hear it.
I used to play my singles at 78rpm so I could
hear the bass lines more clearly - I hate to
think of the damage I did to the vinyl.
By larry (12.141.160.25) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 11:38 am: |
I'd love to take part on this thread, but, I don't own the song. I do remember to be a great track though. Thanks for bringing it up Caleb.
By Steve Litos (209.100.86.4) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 12:30 pm: |
Love Is Here And Now Your Gone...
Great song! I've always wondered about the nature of this song. The liner notes to The Supremes Box Set state that it was recorded in LA. Maybe the bass was overdubbed by Jamerson in Detroit. Anyways great bass playing. To me, it does sound like an upright on a few sections. Does anyone know for sure? Is this a call for Harry to find out?
Gotta love the Harpsichord(real or electric I'm not sure) on the track.
By Dennis Coffey (205.188.209.38) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 12:33 pm: |
Hi everyone. If I remember correctly, Jamerson told me he played on that song. He also told me Motown used to cut songs in LA and then bring them back and have him overdub the bass again here.
Dennis
By larry (12.141.160.25) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 12:39 pm: |
Dennis,
Carol Kaye say's the same. Tapes went back and forth.
By TD (65.210.112.50) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 04:38 pm: |
How about the great My World Is Empty. What a tremendous opening hook- is that a double bass going on?
WOW
By john c (12.2.233.107) on Tuesday, November 05, 2002 - 08:13 pm: |
Soulboy,
Are you talking about Love is Here... Or Someday We'll Be Together. Someday may have been played on a fretless Precision per an anecdote in Dr. Licks book.
By john c (12.81.194.42) on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 12:38 am: |
Correction.
It doesn't say fretless Precision, just fretless. According to the book, Earl Van Dyke said after the session Jamerson almost threw the fretless against the wall and said, "Don't you ever let me play that me play this piece of shit again!".
By Steve L (209.100.86.4) on Wednesday, November 06, 2002 - 01:13 am: |
There were only 2 production model fretless basses c.1970.
-Fender Precision
-Ampeg Horizontal Bass
Can anyone verify what it was? Chances are it was a P-Bass.
By Dennis Coffey (205.188.209.38) on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 08:28 pm: |
Hey John. I played on Someday We'll be Together but I don't remember anything about the bass Jamerson was playing but I do remember he tried a few different basses once in awhile. He had an 8 string bass from Germany one day. It had double strings almost the same concept as a 12 string guitar. I only saw it once.
Dennis
By STUBASS (152.163.188.68) on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 10:29 pm: |
HEY STEVE & DENNIS. I BELIEVE THE AMPEG BASS STEVE IS REFERRING TO WAS KNOWN AS THE AMPEG "BABY BASS". I ALWAYS WANTED ONE OF THOSE WHEN I WAS PLAYING JUST UPRIGHT BASS, BUT ENDED UP WITH A FENDER "JAZZ BASS"...NARROW NECK FOR YOUNG HANDS. DO THEY STILL MAKE THE AMPEG "BABY" MODEL??? PROBABLY USED MOSTLY FOR JAZZ PLAYING...STU
By larry (12.141.160.25) on Thursday, November 07, 2002 - 11:41 pm: |
Stu,
No,the Baby Bass is no longer produced. It is a cool instrument. You can find them on Ebay and 'around'. Price ranges: $1300-1800
http://users.aol.com/bluemuse/instruments.html#babybass
8-string basses have been around since the 60's, I believe Hagstrom was big with them. They're still made by some Mfgs.
By john c (12.2.233.107) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:20 am: |
Dennis and Larry,
The Hagstrom is the 8-string Jamerson used.
By Steve L. (209.100.86.4) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
STUBASS-
I believe that a company called Azola made a re-issue of the Ampeg Baby Bass that was sold under the Ampeg name. I have seen these repo's at places like Guitar Center. Here's the website for the Azola company.
http://www.azola.com/sys-tmpl/door/
The Ampeg "Horizontal" Fretless Bass was a beautiful electric bass with a oddball pickup & oddball string length. It was made in the mid to late 60's. Rick Danko (of THE BAND) was just about the only noted player of this bass. He did modify it with a set of P-Bass pickups to get it to sound good however.
I kinda doubt Jamerson had one.
Link
http://www.xstrange.com/aeb1.html
By STUBASS (152.163.188.68) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 01:37 pm: |
HOOK THOSE BABY'S UP TO AN AMPEG B-15 AMPLIFIER...WOW. MY B-15 WAS 70 LBS. OF JOY! IT HAD SUCH A GREAT SOUND, MY BROTHER USED TO SCAM IT FROM ME ON OCCASSION TO PLAY HIS GUITAR THROUGH. HE THOUGHT IT HAD THE BEST OVERALL SOUND FOR A COMMERCIAL AMPLIFIER & I AGREE. STU
By Padgburyman (195.93.49.10) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 01:40 pm: |
Stu
Straight from the book 'Standing in the Shadows of Motown'-
"On a few rare sessions, James experimented with a Hagstrom 8-string, an early Fender 5-string and a fretless bass, but the end results were unsatisfactory. (Earl Van Dyke recalled that James played the fretless on the Supremes 'Someday We'll Be Together' and almost threw it against the wall at the end of the session screaming, "Don't you ever let me play this piece of shit again.") The Hagstrom bass was eventually stolen in Los Angeles"
Padgburyman
By Larry (216.23.183.2) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 04:48 pm: |
Thanks Padgburyman.
Stu, B15's are still happenin (as you know).
I recently picked up an Oliver head. Jess Oliver from Ampeg who designed the fliptop and reverbrocket and more.
Lately I'm playin a P through an Eden setup w/1-15. I can get all the PHAT I need. My B15s needs service.
Know of a quality amp man in LA?
I want someone to take extra special time to Match the Components wherever possible. Mike Mclean's advice.
By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 06:42 pm: |
LARRY; I'LL CHECK WITH MY BROTHER AND NEPHEW...IF THERE IS SOMEONE WHO CAN GET YOUR B-15 CRANKING AGAIN...THEY'LL KNOW!!! STU
By STUBASS (64.12.97.7) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 09:01 pm: |
LARRY; TRY "MUSICTEK" IN NORTH HOLLYWOOD...(818) 506-4055. ASK FOR KELLY. THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO TURN THAT FROWN INTO A GREAT BIG HAPPY SMILE...STU
By larry (12.141.160.25) on Friday, November 08, 2002 - 10:38 pm: |
Thanks Stu. I shall call. Closest guy I know is Don Butler in Valencia.
By larry (12.141.160.25) on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 01:28 pm: |
Soulboy,
I finally got a copy of "Love is Here..."
It IS upright bass.
The bass approach is unlike I've ever heard in pop. It's Triplet-centric. All the downbeats in the verses start with a triplet then move through the chord.
Listen to it as a quick 1-2-3 (statement)
double stops (answer), then another 1-2-3 back to the downbeat. *That* statement/answer thing is a hallmark of Jamerson's style and not surprisingly based in Jazz.
The Addams family comparison is valid. It uses the same rhythm albeit placed differently in the bar.
By Dennis Coffey (152.163.188.68) on Saturday, November 09, 2002 - 02:35 pm: |
Hi Stu. It was the Hagstrom.
Dennis
By R&B (138.238.41.118) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:28 pm: |
LOVE IS HERE AND NOW YOURE GONE HAPPENS TO BE MY FAVORITE SUPREMES TUNE,AND YES THE BASS REALLY CRANKS ON THAT ONE.
By soulboy (213.105.242.198) on Saturday, November 30, 2002 - 01:59 pm: |
R&B
Check out 'begining of the end' by the supes,if you have not already done so.