By Caleb (65.59.104.147) on Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 06:51 pm:

Clay,I just wanted to bring some praise your way for the production work you did on "If I Were Your Woman"-Gladys Knight.I so enjoy that record.There's some strong quality bass work on there by Babbitt too.Are you working on anything new that we can be looking for in the not to distant future?Thank you,Caleb

By HW (68.37.217.106) on Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 11:05 pm:

Did someone post it was Babbitt on bass? Clay tells me it was:

Jamerson
Robert White
Eddie Willis
Earl Van Dyke
Uriel Jones
Eddie 'Bongo' Brown

By Larry (65.59.24.187) on Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 11:23 pm:

I'll say it again because I'm tickled pink.
This forum is the sh_t.
Must be 400 years collective experience of the most giving Pro's in the biz.
Thank You All yet again.

While noone's heard of me, I can pick out a Jamerson performance with the best of 'em.
Usually it's by the 2nd chorus when you say
"Now what's he doin?"

By Caleb (65.59.96.8) on Saturday, October 19, 2002 - 11:46 pm:

Babbitt had posted more than once that he was on that one.We might want to go to him again on this as well as Clay.Still a great record!

By Clay (66.73.178.141) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 04:32 am:

Hey Guys,
I wonder if Harry Winger could check the session credits and tell us all for sure who played on the "If I Were Your Woman" date. My memory says Jamerson
on Bass with Earl Van Dyke,Robert White,Eddie Willis,Uriel Jones,Eddie Bongo with Jack Ashford on Vibes.
We're talking 31yrs ago 1971 and they were the main stay at that time. If by chance I'm wrong and it was Babbit whom I love and cut a hell of lot of great tracks with I will offer my deepest apology and stand corrected. Caleb, I'd like to thank you for your kind comments about my work and I'm glad to hear my music has been appreciated by you and your colleagues. I'm in the process of releasing a
new CD on "Pree" and a copilation CD of some of my
original vintage work on several acts like Joe Matthews,Lynn Varnardo,The Lovemakers,The Different
Shades of Brown,Charles Brimmer. It will all be available within 60 days on my new website and at cdbaby.com I intend on releasing 2/3 more CD's in
the spring of 2003 on Myself with special guest artist and some new folk from Detroit. All I can say is that I'm having a lot of fun putting these projects together. I hope you'll find something you like out of the collage of 2003 releases on my label MyTown Records. If you forward your e-mail I can let you direct when things are available. Peace

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 11:12 am:

Clay....It would be great to hear Pree sing with the Funk Brothers as accompanist.

Sis

By Larry (64.156.157.221) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 12:34 pm:

Clay,
You NAILED this Production. Sidestick, Clavinet, Vox, Strings are just impeccable. Are there 2 hit hats going or have they been split/delayed?
Fine writing, arrangement, production and performances = HIT

On Bass I'm thinking a restrained, sensitive Jamerson. My 2 cents.

By John Lester (213.123.136.87) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 05:32 pm:

Clay.

I am waiting patiently. We have your "Walk With Me Talk With Me Darling" on the Supremes coming anyday now too. So it's gonna be a Clay Autumn for me!!

By Dennis Coffey (64.12.97.7) on Sunday, October 20, 2002 - 08:00 pm:

Hey Clay. I think I was on guitar on If I Were Your Woman. I was playing backbeat.

Dennis

By Clay (66.73.180.126) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 12:52 am:

Hey SisDetroit,
Pree did sing with the Funk Bros as a backup singer for Joan Osborne and Gerald Levert. When you see the movie she's the singer in the Middle. Before the shooting started on the film she did a cameo lead to get the initial groove going and had a little fun with the Funk Bros who she felt honored to even be on the same stage with. Thanks for the thought of her performing as a solo artist with them, she really appreciated your words.

I'd also like to Thank Larry for his kind words about my work along with the best string arranger in the business(Paul Riser)who helped make it happen.

By Clay (66.73.180.126) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 01:05 am:

Dennis,
You could be right about the session on Glady's I'm gonna listen to it again and see if I miss noted your sound. If it's you please accept my apology and Thanks for being there my friend. The fact that we all worked together on so many projects 30yrs ago that we did'nt keep accurate track is simply amazing,because our concern at the time was getting it done and on to the next thing. And most of all my Dear Friend your Talent shall never be challenged or go unrecognized by me or anyone else who really understands your contributions in this business. Peace

By Clay (66.73.180.126) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 01:08 am:

John Lester,
I'd like a copy of that one myself and of course
there's a million stories in "Motor City" LOL I'll soon be in touch my friend.

By John Lester (217.45.31.185) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 02:36 am:

Clay

You know how Harry looks after all you guys. I know just as soon as he is able you will get your wish.

Meanwhile, I want YOUR vocal version of that song!!! Tee hee!

By Clay (66.73.180.126) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 02:48 am:

John,
The key was a little high for me and i asure you that
a copy of that take should not go public LOL. What do you think the market value would be on that acetate?
Don't even go there LOL. I'm sure That version will never surface. Peace

By Carl Dixon London (62.31.32.130) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 03:27 am:

Clay/John - this sounds 'interesting'. You have my full attention on this one!!

By HW (68.37.217.106) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 10:25 am:

Session credits? From where? What? How?


Nobody wrote that stuff down. I rely on guys like Clay and the musicians. So add Coffey to the list posted above.

By Nish (170.224.224.102) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 12:08 pm:

In addition to "If I Were Your Woman," one of my favorite production efforts is the Pips' "Here I Am Again."

And I think Pree is awesome. I really love "Can't Help Lovin." Her last CD is in heavy rotation in my player!

Is your website up yet, Mr. McMurray?

By Dennis Coffey (205.188.209.38) on Monday, October 21, 2002 - 05:29 pm:

Hey Clay. I enjoyed seeing you again at your studio. We did have a lot of good times making records. That's what it was about. Making great music with your friends!

Dennis

By John Lester (217.45.59.137) on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 02:36 am:

Dennis...

...and knowing that there was a whole load of people out there who were gonna love hearing it just as much you guys loved making it

By Dennis Coffey (152.163.188.68) on Tuesday, October 22, 2002 - 06:49 pm:

Hi John. How are you? We all appreciated the people who loved our music! I am always amazed at the details you guys know about the music.

Dennis

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.26) on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 09:50 am:

Clay,

I'm amazed - I'd no idea you'd worked with Lynn
Varnardo and Charles Brimmer.

Lynn's "Wash and Wear Love" has been a much loved
track on the Northern scene for the last thirty
years and as for Charles Brimmer his "Expressions
of Soul" album is one of favorite deepies.

Looking forward to Pree's release and the compilation.

By MEL&THEN SOME (195.219.7.45) on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 02:48 pm:

Clay McMurray and Dennis Coffee,somebody please tell me im not dreaming.Its great to be able to see you guys discussing the great material youve been involved with.A long time fan of you both,MEL.

By john lester (217.45.59.137) on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 04:11 pm:

Mel....

..........and it happens right under your nose...sometimes I have to pinch myself at who I see on this site.

By Dennis Coffey (152.163.188.68) on Wednesday, October 23, 2002 - 05:23 pm:

Hi Mel and John. It's good hearing from you both! It makes my day to hear from so many people who are interested in the music we created.

Dennis

By Clay (66.73.176.141) on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:08 am:

Hello Nish,
It's really beautiful to know that a great song by a fantastic artist like Gladys(Here I am Again) is loved and still played by someone. I appreciate your comments and I'm sure Gladys does too. As for the new site it won't be up until early 2003. We will probably try and get Pree's new CD set up at cdbaby.com until the new site is up and running. I will let you all know when it's officially available.
If there's anyone who would like to be on the mailing list or place your order for Pree's new CD feel free to go to: enormusmgmt@mail.com and leave your name and e-mail for all info, price/shipping and delivery dates.

By Clay (66.73.176.141) on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 03:23 am:

Yeah Dennis,
You're right about that!!!!!! All we were concerned with was making good music and when you're working with guys that you love and know so well it was beyond anyone who was'nt there comprehension. I still believe that you guys are the best in the industry as we know it. It's really a shame that the new kids on the block ain't feeling us because I'm sure they would be amazed at how much they could learn from us.
And who knows maybe History may repeat itself. I'd love to have You, Babbit, Uriel, Jack, Eddie , Joe and Johnny in my studio on any given day.

By Nish (66.119.33.135) on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 10:29 am:

In representation of the "newer kids," I think there are a lot of younger people my age who would probably love to have the lessons people like you, Mr. Coffey, Mr. Babbitt, etc. can offer, but a lot don't know so they don't seek. I truly believe if people knew about it, they'd go. How could they not.

But, a lot of friends I have who listen to stuff that your typical 22 year old listens to complain that my music is too happy, and therefore they dismiss it as "cheesy." Life, they tell me, is more "Big Pimpin'" than "I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie, Honey Bunch)." To which I reply that life was just as hard back then as it is now. There were wars, racism, etc. There's a place for music that reflects the turmoil, and that was there in the 60s, but there is also a place for music that provides an alternative to the often depressing world around us. Not to mention the fact that when you get down to brass musical tacks, the music that Motown and its contemporaries produced is much more complex, emotional, artistic (at least to my ears) than a lot that is produced today, regardless of the message. Its artistic value speaks for itself. But when one i used to computers and airbrushed voices, an honest voice with real instruments is completely foreign, I guess.

Not only that, but today, pop success is often equated with talent. Case in point, my friend asked me who my favorite female singer was. I said "Hmmm, I like such a wide range, but my top 3 lead singers are Linda Jones, Carolyn Crawford, and Sarah Vaughan, Her reply was "Who the hell are they? Did they have hits?" I said "not really," to which she answered, "well they were obviously not really that good." Which, by logical argument, means Ashanti or Britney Spears is above and beyond any of these ladies, a concept I refuse to accept. So, if you only see people who have platinum records as talented, you miss a whole lot of true talent. Sorry this is so TERRIBLY long!

Talkin' bout my generation,

Nish :-)

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:14 am:

Nish:
Next time you talk to your friends about the legends you admire, school them on these thoughts:

a) Blu "Hit 'Em Up Style" Cantrell was heavily influenced by Sarah & Ella since her mama was a jazz singer herself. Plus "Sassy" Sarah scored hit records with "Misty" & "Broken Hearted Melody." Also point out to your pals that Erykah Badu "graduated" from "Lady Day University" (Billie Holiday)

b) Linda Jones' "Hypnotized" - a Top 10 R&B/Top 30 Hit in 1966 - has been covered by several female singers. Most recently NYC's Veronica on the Mercury label

c) Life was MUCH HARDER BACK THEN for many Americans - especially people of color - than it would even had been. Imagine Dr. King leading the Selma March of 1965 - water hoses & killer dogs included - while Motown, Stax & Okeh Records were charting hits. In fact, if you really want to mess with your friends' heads, rent "Eyes From The Prize" & show 'em what the hell we went through so that they could buy records that talk about thuggin' & mackin' (and play 'em the tunes that were popular during the Movement - they'll need Prozac after you're done with them).

d) Finally, if you want to prove to your pals about the hits of the day, buy The Billboard Book of R&B Hits 1946-Present (available at any bookstore or on line - www.billboard.com) and "re-educate" them. If I did that to a 20 year old, they would think I'm too old (at age 36). If you did it, they may be more open to listen.

That's it for the sermon. Good luck. (I'll email you directly later).

KevGo

By Carl Dixon London (62.31.32.130) on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 11:16 am:

Nish - I enjoyed that tremendously. Infact, I am going to read it again.

Ok, I have just read it and it was great. Most of my music collection has non hit records in it and that's the way I like it. Look at our Northern Soul scene over here! Many great tracks that have never been a hit in the charts. I must say though, it is great to know that so many people follow this type of music and are hopefully contributing to the commercial side of this business. Take a look at Sidney Barnes web page. A highly respected performer who has graced these shores to perform his Northern Soul 'hits' to hundreds of fans: http://sidneybarnes.topcities.com

Quite clearly there is a great demand for this type of thing. Recently I was featured in a work publication. It is called the 'Bath Tub' and they ask you good and silly questions about likes and dislikes. Motown, soul and music cropped up a few times and now friends and colleagues at work are interested in my answers. They are not aware this exists and still think watching MTV all the time is the answer to anything musical. I feel todays hits are tomorrows oldies and I can see me going even further back in my musical interests to test out jazz,honky tonk, boogie woogie, big band, bee bop and anything else that has live musicicians on, to avoid having to listen to it or watch it.

By Bob Olhsson (68.32.101.228) on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 01:20 pm:

Nish,

While there was a lot of turmoil in the '60s, there was ALSO a wonderful optimism that I'm afraid we've lost to the point that it's unimaginable to many younger people. I think your friends' point of view is perfectly understandable but I also think your optimism is a valuable gift to share with them.

By Dennis Coffey (152.163.188.68) on Thursday, October 24, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

Hey Clay about a year and a half ago, I did a session at Pac 3 for Steve Trudell, John's son. We had Babbitt on bass, Bobbye Hall on congas, Rudy Robinson on piano, Eddie Willis and me on guitars, and Dave Van Depitte on arrangements. We had a drummer from LA called Zarro. We did six songs that day. The sound was so fat and funky, it felt like we had never left. I asked the Kats, where's the session tomorrow? The music lives on...

Dennis

By Clay (66.73.185.230) on Friday, October 25, 2002 - 12:24 am:

Dennis,
Where are the trks? Let remix em and put them on the net!!!!!!! If it was that good to ya, the rest of the world need to get a taste. Do you think there's a possiblity of getting the tracks and making a nice CD
with the baddest Kats around!!!!!!!! If not, lets plan something!!!!!!! I'm ready anytime you are and my room is the closes thing to the BLVD in the world.

By John Lester (213.123.157.242) on Saturday, October 26, 2002 - 06:59 pm:

Hold on Clay...........I am still wanting Pree's new album!!

BTW, Walk With Me Talk With Me on the Supremes is out next week.......and didn't you also do Never Can Say Goodbye on the Supremes too and Function At The Junction (with the 4 Tops).

Next week needs to be declared Clay's SUPREME week!

LOL

By Dennis Coffey (205.188.209.38) on Sunday, October 27, 2002 - 08:45 am:

Hey Clay. Call John Trudell for Steve's number, maybe you guys can work something out.

Dennis

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.164.254) on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 12:00 am:

Hi Clay, I missed you at the HAL awards in LA, every body asked about you,you got to get out more!!!!(smile) I talked to Dennis Coffey the other day he told me your studio is very nice,we talked about your promotion man days, (smile) That why you were a good producer, you new what the DJs would play, call when you have time,your main man
WELDON

By HW (68.37.217.106) on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 11:29 pm:

Another Clay McMurray producer's nugget to cherish:

ONCE I HAVE YOU (I WILL NEVER LET YOU GO) by The Originals

have mercy, baby

Clay, spill the details - what a track!

By Clay (66.73.180.177) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 09:57 am:

Thanks HW
And I'm glad you like the song. If you look at some of the songs I've produced over the years you may
detect that I have an instinctive knack when creating
a ballad with a grove to it. Such as: Hearts and Flowers, If I were Your Woman, God Bless Whoever Sent You, For Once In My Life, When The Hurt Is Put Back On You, I love You Dear, Make Me The Woman You Go Home To, Here I am Again, I Need You More Now Than Ever, Got Nowhere To Go,Is There A Place In Your Heart For me, to name a few.

I simply like to write and produce great ballads with real stories.And I also felt that it was my job as a producer to make the production as tight as the story idea. Once I Have You, was a labor of Love and no one could have done it better than a Underated group at Motown,whom I thought deserved a lot more ATTENTION called "The Originals" Their Album"Naturally Together" was one of the best pieces of product I've ever done. It was a great session the day I cut the track of " Once I Have You" and I guess by then the Funk Bros understood my signature for BALLADS, just listen to the way they played (Amazing)

By NISH (170.224.224.102) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:30 am:

Just to add to this current (well-deserved) moment of Clay McMurray appreciation, one of my OTHER favorite Clay McMurray productions is the Marvelettes' "That's How Heartaches Are Made." I simply love the way you updated the Baby Washington classic, slowing it down, making it more contemporary for the later 60s and how wonderfully you must have encouraged Wanda to find an even more grown-up, contemplative, wistful dimension in her voice. The Funk Brothers are as tight as ever. The guitar work has a little hint of a sad tone appropriate for the song. Sheer soul bliss!

Kevgo: Ditto on everything you said!
Carl: thanks, not my most thought-out piece of prose, but thanks! :-)
Mr. Olhsson: i agree with you on the balance of optimism/realism, so many folks my age just veer to the side of super-realism and forget to be happy sometimes. That's why the music you and others helped to create is so important to me and my vision for my own songwriting style.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Thursday, October 31, 2002 - 10:40 am:

Nish:
Thanks. You'll be getting an email from me soon.

Clay:
My favorite LP you had a hand in producing was Gladys & the Pips' "Standing Ovation" which featured "Make Me The Woman You Come Home To." Gladys does a killer version of "Let It Be" on the album. Your comments, please.

HW:
Still trolling the vaults, eh? We're gonna have to call you "Indiana Weinger" from now on!

Peace!
KevGo

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 02:44 am:

CLAY; NICE TO READ YOUR THREAD AND BE ALLOWED TO RECOGINIZE YOUR MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS...SOME IM FAMILIAR WITH, AND OTHERS I WASN'T AWARE OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS. WE MAY HAVE MET ALONG THE WAY...MUSICALLY OR SOCIALLY...OR PERHAPS YOU WORKED WITH MY BROTHER BRUCE, BUT BEST OF LUCK ON YOUR NEW PEOJECTS. I ALSO HEARD THAT YOU MAY BE TEAMING WITH MY OLD FRIEND IVY JO HUNTER ON SOMETHING? IF YOU DO, OR TALK TO IVY...TELL HIM TO JUMP ON THE FORUM AND CONTACT STU (HE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I DO). I HAVN'T SPOKEN TO CURTIS SINCE HE LIVED IN CULVER CITY, AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE HE'S AT. ANYWAYS, LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT SUCCESS. REGARDS...STU

By John Lester (217.45.73.230) on Friday, November 01, 2002 - 03:18 am:

Ivy Jo Hunter has The Loving Country on the new 70's Supremes Anthology...a track that has a history with the Diana Ross led Supremes. Here's hoping Ivy Jo can come and tell the forum the history.

And don't forget Clay has lots of goodies on the 70's Supremes Anthology including my personal favourite Walk With Me Talk With Me Darling.

By motorcity (66.73.179.31) on Saturday, November 02, 2002 - 08:48 am:

Thanks John,

By TonyRussi (68.18.48.135) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 02:56 pm:

Mr. McMurray, I'm a Motown fan from the begining and you were one of my favorite producers in the late 60's early 70's period....I especially loved "Thats How Heartaches Are Made" by the Marvelettes. Best of luck & health to you & thanks for the great tracks.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 03:00 pm:

Tony,
You have great taste regarding producers.

By FREDL (67.38.30.7) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:07 pm:

MY NAME IS FRED L BRIDGES.I DID A LOT OF WORK
BACK WHEN.---------------------------- LIKE TO SAY YO TO CLAY & DENNIS.BACK THEN I CUT A LOT OF TRACKS WITH DENNIS ALSO THE FUNK BRO.
TODAY AND FOR THE LAST 26YEARS I'VE BEEN THE ROAD MANG.FOR THE FOUR TOPS.


GLAD TO BE ALIVE
FLB

By M.McLeanTech (66.218.40.60) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:09 pm:

Super Wow!!!

Now here is a fellow who can do the forum some good!

Welcome, Fred!

Mike McLean

By Dennis Coffey (205.188.209.38) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:38 pm:

Hi Fred. Welcome to the forum! I think a lot of us are glad to get up on the right side of the grass every morning.

Dennis

By David Meikle (62.252.128.6) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 04:47 pm:

Thanks to Mike and Dennis for giving Fred Bridges such a warm welcome.

One of the heroes of SoulfulDetroit, it is an absolute pleasure to have you on board.

sincerely
David

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.164.254) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 05:23 pm:

Hi Fread, I know what you mean, when you say you are glad to be alive!!!!!,how are things going for you? I hope you are well, your friend.
WELDON

By DEBORAH (63.77.247.13) on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 05:43 pm:

Hi Fred,

Glad to have you here!! This is very exciting
and informative and I'm sure you'll be a great
asset!!!

Love ya,

Deborah (Levi's daughter)

By Clay (66.73.190.39) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 04:41 am:

Tony Russi,
Thanks for your kind words and dedication. It's people like you that help to keep the music alive.

I've tried to write and produce good music/production for more than 35 yrs and I intend to continue to do so as long as I feel it's at least appreciated. Tony, stick around I ain't done yet. Funny thing happened,
I just recorded "That's How Heartaches Are Made" and it will be released after the Holidays on my own independent label sung by Pree: www.cdbaby.com/cd/preestyle.html(her previous release)

By Clay (66.73.190.39) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 04:46 am:

Hi Fred,
Glad to have you on this train. And there are a lot of your friends here to Holla At. LOL I bet you could rock this forum with all the info you've stored. We should get together Fred,when you're not busy.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 11:39 am:

Fred:
Kevin "KevGo" Goins from NYC here. We met when you were in NYC with the Tops earlier this year (I came by your hotel room in Times Square). Welcome to the Soulful Detroit Forum - your input and knowledge is so valuable & precious. Hope to hear from you soon!

Peace,
KevGo
(PS - Did you receive the CDs I sent you in July? I hope you received them okay)>

By Ed Wolfrum (165.247.228.73) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 12:31 pm:

Hello Fred,

Welcome to the forum Fred. Please, keep in touch with the whole Detroit gang.

Ed

By Genna Sapia-Ruffin (152.163.188.68) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 06:08 pm:

So, hey Clay and Dennis, my homiez! This is Genna. You were @ the HAL awards, Clay?! Cool. Couldn't make it, but sent David Jr w/Larry Buford. Did you see/meet my son? I know u'd never know him, been toooo many years. He was the finest tall, young, bald black man there!! ;o) Yeah, still the proudest mama! You can see pix of him, hear his music (and more) thru a link in my site "A Memoir: David Ruffin--My Temptation" at http://gruffproductions.tripod.com. Or just go to http://www.davidruffinjr.com. Waitin' to see Pree on tv, Clay. Love her look. Actually, ran across her after you emailed me about her in SoundClick where David Jr. has his music. Cool.

By JoeR (170.148.92.53) on Friday, November 15, 2002 - 06:21 pm:

GENNA - glad to see a familiar poster here.

BTW - I'm a new poster here and I'm enjoying myself. No doubt the musicians deserve the credit they rightly EARNED! I guess being a musician (keyboardist) keeps an objective view of the Motown sound. I'm just learning who actually played on what song - I knew the names and their instruments but I always listened to my Temptation songs asking "who is that playing drums on 'Get Ready'?" or "who is playing the arpeggio on the guitar on'Your My Everything'?".

Is Jay Johnson(sp) of the Diablos a poster here?

And NISH... didn't we meet at the Benedum Theater with the Channels?

JoeR - http://mypages.netopia.com/channels

By Eugene Brown (64.7.167.66) on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:23 am:

Hey Clay what's up with... In the middle of moving and haven't been able to call. All is well. Hopefully I'll get a chance to see you all soon. Your Brother, Eugene
brownerb@iflint.com

By John Lester (217.40.234.94) on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 10:30 am:

Eugene

Clay is busy putting together some new CD compilations which we here, are all really looking forward to.......and I mean REALLY looking forward to!!!

Clay, if you are reading this......GET BACK TO WORK! LOL

By NISH (216.148.246.70) on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:26 am:

Joe! Of COURSE, how are you? Hope the fam's doing well! Again, it was great seeing you at the Benedum! Wonderful show!

Great to see more familiars! :-)

NISH

By Tony Russi (68.18.48.135) on Tuesday, November 19, 2002 - 11:50 am:

Mr. McMurray, Didn't you work with Martha Reeves on her recent "Home To You" project? One of my favorite late 60's Motown tracks(and songs) is "You're the Loser Now" by Martha...which I thought was the A-side because the local R&B station firstplayed that side(WOKB-Orlando)and we all thought "Hit" for sure.

By Clay (66.73.177.175) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 09:45 am:

Hi Tony,
My dear friend Martha Reeves recorded several of her recordings at my studio and I did assist her a bit in her new project. I must add that Martha was creatively responsible for the completion and release of her new project which hope will add to her long list of successful hits. I would also like to Thank you for making "You're the loser now" by Martha one of your favorites and it just so happens to be one of my all time favorite as well. I've given some serious thought to re-recording it again in the near future.
Peace.

By TonyRussi (68.18.48.135) on Wednesday, November 20, 2002 - 10:15 am:

Mr. McMurray, Martha is a friend of me & my family as well, she is my neice god-mother.Anytime she comes to Fla. we go see her.My brother & I visited Martha on our trip to Detroit and we accompanied her to the Museum...what a thrill that was.I hope to get back to the Museum again soon.Good luck on your new recording endevours.

By Clay (66.73.183.219) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 02:31 pm:

Hi Tony,
Martha Reeves is blessed to have you and your family as family. I hope you will get a chance to visit our fair city of Detroit soon and if so it would also be my pleasure to meet you and talk about good music. I hope to release several new CD's in 2003. Peace

By Damo (217.34.49.126) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 08:59 pm:

So, Clay...

We gonna meet-up when I come to Detroit or what?!
I'm relying on ya to give this young British producer the *REAL* Detroit experience...music and food!!

Grab some friends and let's connect

Best,
Damo

By M.McLeanTech (66.218.41.27) on Sunday, November 24, 2002 - 09:03 pm:

If any of you pals of Martha Reeves see her, please ask her if she remembers the time that we went to see the film "Exodus" at the theatre.

Thanks in advance.

Mike McLean

By Clay (66.73.216.247) on Monday, November 25, 2002 - 12:52 pm:

Damo,
I'm looking forward to meeting you when you arrive in the Motor City and yes I know of a few places that serve good food LOL Do you have specific delites? or
food types? Do you have the dates of your arrival
confirmed? I know 50 questions!!!!! Just forward me a personal e-mail when you're on your way. That way I can clear my calender. Peace

By PhilH (203.221.52.121) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 03:56 am:

Hi Clay,

Greetings from Australia! Glad to make the acquaintance of the producer of my second favourite Gladys track (after "Grapevine", natch), "If I Were Your Woman". I also love your remakes of "Every Beat Of My Heart", "Letter Full Of Tears" and "Giving Up", which I heard on the 1970's Anthology LP before I heard the original versions. And ditto everyone else's comments for my favourite Originals track, "God Bless Whoever Sent You", and The Marvelettes' "That's How Heartaches Are Made". These will live forever!

Cheers,

Phil

By Clay (66.73.181.3) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 01:35 pm:

Hello Phil,
And greetings from the motor city home of the Funk
Bros and a zillion other Motown hits.LOL I'd like to thank you for your kind words and your true appreciation for my humble works which I love and loved every moment while I worked on them. I'm currently working on several new projects trying to get them all prepared for an early 2003 release date on my own independent label Mytown Records here in the Motor City. So don't go any further away,then Australia LOL

I'm also watching the talents of my children who have discovered how to operate all the electronics
in the studio and seem to have exploded with a waterfall of potentionally great songs which they are writing,producing and performing. My daughter Nicci former lead singer for the (Michael Jackson) group Brownstone is the ring leader and the others are standing right next to her. Pretty soon I'll have to do my projects on their down time LOL. I must confess that I'm proud to pass the baton to my own family. Well,enough and again Phil, Thank You and welcome aboard this wonderful music train. Peace.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, November 26, 2002 - 02:49 pm:

Clay:
I had no idea that was your daughter in the group Brownstone! Talk about girls who could SING!!! Both their albums were wonderful and their vocals were more gospel-driven than En Vogue, SWV and Jade. It's a shame Brownstone broke up - I feel that MJJ/Sony could've done a better job pushing their CDs (I was a record retail manager for almost ten years so I know how labels can be really lame). Does your daughter have a solo CD out now? Tell her I said keep going!
Regards,
Kevin "KevGo" Goins

By Clay (66.73.216.206) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 04:53 am:

Hey KevGo,
Yes,Nicci's new CD is due for release in early January 2003 on MCA/Universal. They've already released a single called"My Side Of The Story" the Video has been shown on BET and several of the cable networks here. She's singing the National Anthem Thanksgiving Day for the Detroit Lions game,I don't know if you can get it unless you have the sports cable network.

I'm proud of her Kev,she's a very talented young lady with a gift for writing,singing,producing,,performing and acting. God Is Good. Peace

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Wednesday, November 27, 2002 - 11:50 am:

Hey Clay,
I'll look out for Nicci on Thanksgiving. In the meantime be well & have a great holiday.
Kevin L. Goins - "KevGo"

By RomeoD (63.188.32.177) on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 10:01 am:

Here's a link to a nice bio of Clay's daughter Nicci Gilbert that contains some very interesting comments from Nicci.

http://www.mcarecords.com/artistAbout.asp?selected=1&aboutId=55675&which=bio&artistname=Nicci+Gilbert&artistid=299&title=Nicci+Gilbert+Biography

By SisDetroit (68.42.209.170) on Thursday, November 28, 2002 - 12:39 pm:

Clay - I had my vcr all set. As I was looking in the TV guide to see what time the game came on, my sister called and said turn on channel 15, hurry. I turned just in time to see and here "And the home of the brave." :o)

Have a nice day. Sis

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 09:07 am:

Clay,
They didn't even show the Anthem here in California. My son and I were all set to see your talented daughter when the game came on post Anthem I assume.

By Clay (66.73.187.254) on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 10:22 pm:

Hey Ralph,
Yeah the Lions stayed true to form by Losing another game to the Patriots. My daughter in fact did an excellent job of singing the National Anthem right before the start of the game. She made me a very proud DAD. Sorry Ralph,and for those of you that did'nt get to see and hear it,what a great moment in time. Have a great Holiday season. Peace

By Julian (64.12.97.7) on Friday, November 29, 2002 - 10:51 pm:

Hey, what's up Clay!

Give me a buzz.

Ju (Kent)

By Rob Moss (194.66.60.8) on Monday, December 02, 2002 - 02:30 pm:

Hi Clay,
Hope you and Karen are well - did you get my letter?
Coming over again at the end of Jan.03 - are you around?
Cheers for now,
Rob

By JSmith (212.39.231.20) on Tuesday, December 03, 2002 - 02:39 am:

Clay,
Just thought you should know that many UK based 'modern soul' fans now chase copies of Brownstone's 2 Sony albums (or the later CD that included a selection of tracks lifted from them).

The trouble with 90's recordings / releases is (if you want the most soulful version of a particular song) you usually have to chase a copy of a 12" single that contains 4/5 mixes of that track.

By jack (67.32.85.107) on Wednesday, December 04, 2002 - 12:04 pm:

Clay ,please check out what Mike the tech man has to say about the funk brothers. Has he had a bout with angel dust or something?

By Rich (162.33.234.130) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 10:30 am:

Hey Clay, Kool & the Gang were mentioned on another thread and I remembered that their keyboard player Ricky West(field), who wrote and sang "Hollywood Swinging" put out a solo album on MCA in 1977 which you co-produced. I was curious if you had anything to share about working with Ricky or if you remembered who else might have played on the sessions.

Peace

By Clay (66.73.216.154) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 10:50 am:

Wow Rich,
25yrs ago eh? I've got some footnotes somewhere in this museum of music I live in and I'm sure I might be able to find a little something. I'll check and see what I might be able to find,because at the moment I can only see Ricky West and the other members are a Blurrrr,sorry. I'll see what I can find or remember. Thanks for ringing my bell. Peace

By Rich (162.33.234.130) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 10:55 am:

Clay, thanks a bunch for responding. John Brantley & Rick Willard were the other producers. It was mainly cover-tunes like Nothin from Nothin, Hey Jude, Bennie & the Jets, The In Crowd, Bad Bad Leroy Brown, Poinciana. Have you got a copy of the LP for the museum?

By jack (67.34.170.44) on Thursday, December 05, 2002 - 12:30 pm:

Thanks Clay. Jack Ps I'll get that number to you

By Clay (66.73.191.200) on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 09:44 pm:

Hi Rich,
The Ricky West Project was pretty much a album of remakes that I believe were picked by Rollers Productions and Ricky. I looked at the recording log but I did'nt find any addtional names on the session other than Ricky and Johnny who I recall did a lot of the actual music. I plan on playing the master and try to figure out who else is on the tape. MCA did'nt really get behind the project like I felt they could have, but that's a more frequent error with the labels today.

I think if there was a European major with world distribution and with the balls to finance some real artist 35yrs and older using some seasoned producers of real music and song it would somewhat even up the playing field,re-establish the missing market, put writers/publishers back in business and once again give the industry the variety that made the business great. Peace

By STUBASS (205.188.209.38) on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 10:37 pm:

CLAY: BELIEVE IT OR NOT, NONE OTHER THAN MR. PAT BOONE HAS FINANCED A LABEL EXCLUSIVE TO OLDER ARTISTS. A FEW OF THEM SUPPOSEDLY SIGNED UP FOR THE PROJECT, I THINK THAT EVEN "LITTLE RICHARD" IS ON BOARD (PROBABLY TO GET PAID BACK FOR PAT BOONE STEALING ALL OF"LR'S" GOOD MATERIAL---LIKE "TUTTI FRUITI"---AND MAKING A FORTUNE OFF OF IT). I DON'T KNOW THE LEVEL OF FINANCING OR DOLLARS INVOLVED, NOR HAVE I NOTICED ANY "HITS" TO EMERGE FROM THE PROJECT...STU

By Millie (68.40.209.129) on Monday, December 09, 2002 - 11:11 pm:

Al DiNoble, ex-promo guy from Motown, is now consulting Pat Boone's new label. Clay, do you remember Al? When he left Motown in LA, he ended up working for Neil Bogart at Casablanca.

By Rich (162.33.235.235) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 09:03 am:

Clay,

Thank-you very much for your response. Yeah, looking back it doesn't seem like MCA did much with it. Maybe they were looking for Kool & the Gang type Funk while Ricky was a bit more of a balladeer. R.I.P.

Nice idea too - wasn't Otis Williams quoted a couple months back saying something like - the industry wasn't interested in anyone who didn't have similac on their breath.

Peace

By Nish (170.224.224.102) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 09:43 am:

At 22, I guess I have Similac on my breath (but everyone thinks I'm 50 anyway, LOL), but one of of MY big goals in life is to write songs for veteran artists and/or give legal counsel at reduced rates for such labels that focus on these artists so they can have more money to use on the creative endeavor.

Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong didn't stop producing relevant, classic music when he turned 50, so why is it that the music industry doesn't allow older artists to continue to do this today?

The Volt label does stuff like that, on Freda Payne, and the Dells, and Brenda Holloway, right? So do ROunder and Malaco. But it would be cool to see a, say, Susaye Greene record heavily promoted like an India Arie record, for example. I mean, she (and other classic artists) has a ready made fanbase, and is in the position to get more new fans. So a classic artist releasing something new may actually be more fruitful because of the fact that people DO know their names to varying extents rather than a complete newcomer.

But, I always wonder why so much of a classic artist's contemporary output is relatively "safe" adult contemporary music. These folks made their reputations by pushing musical boundaries, so why not continue to do so rather than doing ready made ballads that everyone does? I'm SURE Smokey Robinson and/or Norman Whitfield and/or Eddie Floyd or Swamp Dogg have interesting ideas to continue to share with a younger generation. Having PREE's record in my collection definitely proves that. It's a fresh and beautiful record on par with the Clay McMurray productions from the "golden days" of classic Motown. Pree doesn't sound like anyone on the pop market today and her songs are beautifully written and a range. This fusion of an experienced producer and relatively new artist is producing great music.

I wonder why some of the older record company owners like the Erteguns don't do something like this.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 10:17 am:

Nish,
You show a lot of wisdom that goes beyond your 22 years.

By LTLFTC (12.245.225.79) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 11:46 am:

Clay,

On another thread, we were discussing "Let's Make It Last" by The Fellows from 1967. I didn't remember that you were involved with that record ; we were speculating that that particular song sounded suspiciously like the Parliaments although the B-side (which I've never heard) evidently doesn't. Can you shed some light on that record and who 'The Fellows' actually were?

Thanks
Steve K.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 11:57 am:

Nish:
The reason why an Ahmet Ertegun doesn't do much with veteran artists (or any artists for that matter) is simply because he doesn't own Atlantic Records (he sold the label to what is now Time Warner back in 1967)and he is getting up in age. His position of "Co-Chairman" of Atlantic is more of an honorary position than a title with responsibilities (Val Azzoli is the working Co-Chairman). In fact the last artist Ahmet even produced was Roberta Flack in 1994.

Yes, it would be really great to see these artists get the type of promotional support a current artist receives. Unfortunately, the major labels (as I said in a prior thread) are more interested in chasing the youth market/dollars and unless you name is Tony Bennett or Natalie Cole an adult artist wouldn't be given such strong support.

Regards,
Kevin Goins - "KevGo"

By TonyRussi (68.18.34.83) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 01:14 pm:

It doesn't matter if its rock, R & B or Country:Record companies are not interested in building careers they just want a hit.The people pulling the strings are business people not artistic people.I'm thankful for being able to see live in the 60's & early 70's many of the artist that I love to this day.Next to the Motown artists,I was never more excited then going to the James Brown Show (at least a dozen times)& the Ike & Tina Turner Revue.Can you imagine any of these "today" acts working that hard...with only a microphone, a band, and a spotlight!

By Clay (66.73.184.222) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 04:08 pm:

LTLFTC,
The fellows were a young group that won a talent contest in Detroit and got the chance to record for Solid Hit Productions which was Don Davis and LeBaron Taylor house. I had the pleasure of working in A&R for the label and recorded their only known release:She's Always There" as for the Flip side I think it was some Parla-funkadelic material,because George Clinton was also a part of the label at that time. I have no idea as to what happen with the Fellas after that one release. You might check with Don Davis since he was the Executive of the Label. Peace

By Clay (66.73.184.222) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 04:16 pm:

Millie,
I certainly do remember Al Di Noble it's nice to know he's still around doing what he was really good at,making records happen LOL. In the present state of the music business I know he has his hands full trying to get any type of airplay and promotion on artist past 25yrs,but that's just how it is. If you speak with him give his my best regards and blessings. Millie, I need to speak with Armen,if you have his #'s e-mail me at your earliest. Peace

By Clay (66.73.184.222) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 04:28 pm:

Nish,
You are, well beyond your 22yrs and very aware of what this business is all about. I should have had you as my attorney back in the day LOL. If I'm able to put a deal together for the mature artist with decent distribution or even with independent internet support I would love to have you in my camp. Your knowledge and heart are without a doubt in the right place. And thanks again for your kind words about Pree's CD she does have a style of her own and her next release in early 2003 will validate that. Peace

By Nish (170.224.224.38) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 05:48 pm:

All right, I've just received the penultimate compliment, Mr. McMurray. I would have been honored to be your attorney back in the day! And, likewise, I'd love to be in your camp! Thank you, so much. I don't know about knowledge, but I do know I love the music and love the people who had a hand in creating it, and so I want a career devoted to it. And I eagerly wait Pree CD #2!!!

By cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 05:57 pm:

Clay:

I am a bit embarrassed. On the Gladys Knight and the Pips thread I mentioned that that one of the best vocals to come out of Motown was "Make Me The Woman That You Come Home To." I believe that you wrote and produced that cut. I had no idea that you were the "Clay" that was leaving the knowledgeable and astute comments on this forum. You are one of my heroes my friend. I also love "Is There A Place In Your Heart For Me" that you did for The Supremes on the Right On album. There are many cuts that you were involved with that were on albums but not the "hit" single release that I thought were brilliant. Your songs are always from the soul and any singer that does them never throws them away, but puts their heart into them. I am a singer and know. God Bless You My Friend and I hope that 2003 brings you renewed and continued success.

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 - 06:49 pm:

Nish:
You definitely are mature beyond your years and a tremendous contributor to this site as well as the music industry. The "education" you're receiving here and in law school - combined with your passion for music - will take you very far no matter what you decide to do after you graduate. Those with the "Similac on the breath" (thank you Otis Williams)will be stuck fetching coffee for that next big 18-year old producer-"wunderkind" while you, my dear, will be managing Clay McMurray, Jack Ashford, Mary Wilson and the Funk Brothers!- LOL
Peace,
Kevin "KevGo" Goins

By larry (12.141.160.25) on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 12:14 pm:

Clay,

I just wanted to mention again what a gem of a track "If I Were Your Woman is".

Did you ever figure out who's on Bass?
Also, the sparseness of the arrangement shows how impeccably it's recorded and played. In my humble opinion it's one for the ages Clay.

By cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Thursday, December 26, 2002 - 04:36 pm:

Clay:

I wrote this on another thread but I think that your writing and production on Gladys Knight and the Pips, "Make Me the Woman that You Come Home To" is spectacular. It has one of my favorite moments on record when Gladys towards the end sings "Ah good god-a-might boy" Truly magnificent. I still play it after all these years. I am also fond of your song for the Jean Terrell led Supremes of "Is There A Place In Your Heart For Me." You are a true genius my friend.

By cleoharvey (65.144.205.21) on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 11:00 pm:

Clay

I was listening to the 70's Supremes Anthology and love your written and produced Walk With Me, Talk With Me, should have been a hit. Incredible that is was unreleased until now.

By Clay (66.73.188.97) on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 03:57 pm:

Hi Cleo,
First I would like to say Thank You for your kind words in regards to my previous work. The new Supremes release is a blessing in disguise,simply because it happens to be one of my favorite cuts on the Supremes featuring Beautiful Jean Terrell.There is another song called "Then We Can Try Again' that I also recorded with them that may surface at some time and it just lets me know that Motown music sounds better the older it get LOL. I somewhat pride myself in trying to record songs with meaning and I've been fortunate to have worked with so many fantastic artist during my career,Praise God. I will always do my best to bring good music to the fore-front and when I don't feel I can,I'll quit.I'm currently working on a few projects that I hope to release in early 2003.

By Clay (66.73.188.97) on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 04:06 pm:

Hi Larry,
I'm sure it was Jamerson,because I seem to remember having conversation on the session with him about the particular feeling I was trying to create with the Bass line. After listening to it a few times it really does have Jamo's signature on it. And Thank You so much for your wonderful compliments regarding the music I've worked on,I really appreciate it. I hope to continue to make good music for you in 2003.

By Millie (68.40.209.129) on Monday, December 30, 2002 - 05:45 pm:

Hi Clay!
Sorry it's taken me so long to post this...I just now saw your posting to me regarding Armen. He doesn't have an e-mail address, but if you e-mail me, I can give you his telephone number. Happy Holidays to you and Pree.

By jack (67.32.84.31) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 01:17 am:

Clay tell Pree that I haven't forgotten her. They haven't sent me my cd's yet .Jack

By John Lester (81.132.14.83) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 05:17 am:

Clay

Then We Can Try Again is featured on the Right On album!!!

By cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 01:07 pm:

Clay

Thank you for responding to my post on this forum. No kidding man, I think you are one of the geniuses of Motown and should have received much more media attention and credit as such people as Ashford & Simpson, Smokey, and HDH received. What I love about your productions is the attention to detail. It always seems that you gave as much attention to the backup as you did to whoever was singing lead, creating a great aural effect. The arrangements and sound was always superb, not matter who was the artist. Being a singer myself, I appreciate this detail emphasis when I listen to a record. It is why I love Is There a Place In Your Heart For Me, and Make the The Woman Go Home To so much. Is There A Place has some of the most beautiful background harmonies recorded. I hope the reissues bring you deserved attention.

Then We Can Try It Again should have been released as a single from The Supremes' Right On Album, it is a great cut. Years ago, I heard Melba Moore do a version of that song on TV. Although she did a good job, it paled in comparison to the Jean-led Supremes version.

All the best on your new project and the best to you in 2003

By John Lester (81.132.10.7) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 03:38 pm:

And so say all of us Clay........

By Larry (216.23.183.2) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 03:48 pm:

Cleo, John and anyone else,

Great posts. From what little I know of Clay's work I'm already a Mondo fan. Favor to ask:
Can you provide me with a songlist Clay's productions? If they're half as good as "If I Were Your Woman" then I can't wait to hear 'em.

By Chancellor of Soul (63.78.189.114) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 06:00 pm:

I just wanted to say hi to Dennis, Clay, and Fred.
I'm a huge fan of each of each of you gentlemen
and it's a pleasure to be on Soulful Detroit.
Dennis, I love your work on " Scorpio", "Taurus"
but my favorite was the theme from, "Enter The
Dragon"!! And of course your work with CJ & Co,
as well! And Fred ! The Brothers of Soul are truly
one of my favorite soul groups. " Wait For Me",
I Guess That Don't Make Me A Loser", "You Better
Believe It", " A Life Time" (B side)," The Love
I Found In You", are truly timeless masterpieces.
Clay, your production work with Gladys Knight &
the Pips, are out of this world !
Is it true that it took the convincing
of Berry Gordy for Gladys to record the song,
" If I Were Your Woman", because she didn't
believe in it ???
Fred, what inspired you to write a touching song
such as, " Wait For Me" ???
And, Dennis, did you ever get to meet the cast
of the movie, " Enter The Dragon" ????

Peace,
Chancellor of Soul
Mike Boone

By cleoharvey (65.144.207.86) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 06:18 pm:

Larry:

Clay NcMurray did a great deal that people are not aware of. A lot of my old Motown albums are buried in the closet but here is what I remember.

Gladys Knight and the Pips
Redos of:
Every Beat of My Heart
Letter Full of Tears
Giving Up

If I Were Your Woman
One Less Bell to Answer
Is there A Place In Your Heart for Me
Master of My Mind (love this cut)
For Once In My Life
Make Me The Woman You Come Home To (my personal favorite
Help Me Make It Through the Night
The Only Time You Love Me Is When You are Losing
Me

For the Supremes (without Diana)
Then We Can Try Again
Is There A Place In Your Heart For Me
Walk with Me Talk With Me Darling
Never Can Say Goodbye

Plus many other tunes,for others at Motown. Take a listen to some of these cuts and you will see what a great producer he was and is.

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 07:16 pm:

You're preaching to the choir here Cleo.

By larry (12.141.160.25) on Friday, January 03, 2003 - 08:55 pm:

Thanks Cleo. You're great.

I just can't say enough about If I Were Your Woman. It differs from most all other Motown productions in it's clarity of production, it's arrangement. Just so much more sophisticated than alot of other great hits I love.

You may have mentioned it's aural pleasure. I've said that before up here. THAT is the true measure of a good production. How it pleases the senses. This track is the Filet Mignon Baby!

Thanks again Cleo (and welcome to SD Mike Boone).

By John Lester (81.132.5.27) on Saturday, January 04, 2003 - 12:32 am:

And the good thing is that Clay is still socking it to us!

Check out his album on Pree......

and the new one is due out soon, hopefully!

By John Lester (217.41.77.67) on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 04:23 am:

Just putting this to the top of list so that our man doesn't miss it...

Can we have an update Clay?

By Clay (66.73.180.243) on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 05:00 am:

John,
I'm putting the finishing touches on the new Pree CD
and I hope to have it ready for release in late February or early March 2003. We went back in the studio and recorded two more songs and we had a request to do an original song written by a French composer in the 1800's. I know this all may sound a little strange but it's True. Plus I've got a few other artist that I'm working on ,along with some vintage stuff that I think you in particular will find interesting. I'm looking at Pree, 2 male groups,a country/pop singer, and a intrumental band for early 2003 releases. I'm also in the process of recording a CD on James Jamerson Jr. who will also
do some real singing on his debut CD,which will feature Pree on a few cuts with him. Last but not least my new web site for my label is not completed and It will have to be up and running before I drop any CD's. Stay tuned,Peace.

By Clay (66.73.180.243) on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 05:10 am:

Mike Boone,
That story about Berry having to talk Glady's into recording "If I Were You Woman" Isn't true. All you have to do is listen to Glady's performance on the record and then tell me it sounds like she had to be prodded by Berry!!!!

Glady's put her signature on that song and it's gonna be there forever as far as I'm concerned. She was only hesitant originally,because it was a new ballad and her first time working with me. After the session we both were pleased and if you follow the yellow brick road you see where we worked on quite a few successful projects after that. Peace

By Clay (66.73.180.243) on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 05:27 am:

Cleo,
You are a real inspiration and I trust I will be able to live up to the all the nice things you've said regarding my work. Making good music is a labor of love for me and it's people like you that let me know that what I've done and what I will continue to do is honestly appreciated.

I can remember trying hard to develope my own style of production and not become a Zerox of all the other writer, producers at Motown. I want to Thank you and the many others on this forum who have warmly expressed your opinion and true feelings about my method of making music and the respect that I gave to each artist that I've worked with. I remember you saying you were also a singer, might it be possible that I've heard your music before? And if not have you recorded any music that you would allow me to hear sometime in the near future? Peace.

By John Lester (217.41.77.67) on Sunday, January 05, 2003 - 08:17 am:

Cleo.....do Walk With me Talk with me..so that Clay can xcompare it to HIS demo vocal.

LOL..only kidding Clay..only kidding.....

By cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 11:42 am:

Clay

Unfortunately (or fortunately for that matter..LOL!!), I am from the world of Broadway, concerts, and regional theatres. I was a lion on Broadway with Stephanie Mills and did her first concert tour (culminating with her performance at the Met). In 2002 I performed in Barbados in "An Evening with Tim Rice" with Sir Tim himself. Although I sing in all styles, I am mostly known for "legit" work and that has kept me out of the "pop" recording studios. However, I did not come to this forum to aggrandize myself in any way. I cannot touch the toes of the wonderful creative people that I have encountered on this forum.

Over the years I have the wonderful fortune of meeting and/or befriending my childhood heroes. Mary Wilson, Cindy Birdsong, Sidney Poitier, Ashford & Simpson (I once sang at their daughter Nicole's 4th birthday party when I was in the Wiz), Lena Horne, Leslie Uggams, Jonathan Demme, Jimmy Stewart, etc. The people at Motown were also my heroes. Not just the stars, but the arrangers, producers, musicians, and writers. They created a world that helped me through an extremely difficult childhood by giving voice to my dreams. I would sit and listen to the great Motown songs and see myself functional, happy, and successful in the future, and coping in the present. Clay, you are part of that and it is amazing that this forum has given me the ability to thank you.

I am almost angry with the industry today because it seems to have tossed aside some of the great producers and arrangers of our time for hacks, who do nothing but sample, have questionable musical ability and taste, and seem to spend their time trying to copy the latest "grove" hit. There are those who might say that Motown had a factory, but oh, what a factory! The product that came from that factory is legendary and puts what is being done today to shame. When the producers of today come up with another Just My Imagination, If I Were Your Woman, Reach Out, I'll Be There, Friendship Train, Ain't No Mountain High Enough, I will back down from my criticism. The modern producers do not have to produce "old" songs, but songs that have the feel and artistry of these songs. BabyFace is one of the few producer/writers who produces something where I say, "Now that's it!!"

So, my friend, this whole thing is about you and your wonderful Motown comrades. I wish that in 2003 a top artists rediscovers you and has you produce another melodic for them. For years I have imagined a remake of Make Her The Woman You Come Home to. And if the Gods ever bring me into a studio, I will do it. Since my dreaming mechanism is still strong. Who knows with some lyric changes:

You promised her things that mean a lot
said so much you just upped and forgot
But you said to me, you told me
You said she was your strength the air you breathe
So help me Michael she is all I need to make my life complete
man, yes you did

All the best,
Michael

By Chancellor of Soul (64.12.97.7) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 11:47 am:

Hi Clay,
I didn't think that story was true at all.
Gladys performance in that song gives me chills
everytime I hear it ! That yellow brick road as
far your production on all of Gladys'songs will
always continued to shine gold and never ever
tarnish. Thanks Clay for the great memories and
wonderful music.

Take care,
(Chancellor of Soul)
Mike Boone

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 12:10 pm:

Cleo:
Let us know the next time you are performing here in NYC. I would like to check you out.
Regards,
Kevin Goins - KevGo

By Ralph (209.240.198.62) on Monday, January 06, 2003 - 02:24 pm:

Michael,( Cleo )
We are honored that you choose to hang with us at the SD forum. We value your input here.

By Clay (66.73.188.14) on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 04:41 am:

Cleo,
I would be honored to have you perform any song of your choice that I've written or produced. Some of my favorites are on the Original's "Naturally Together"
Album plus the first tune I cut on them called "You Want Hearts and Flowers. I'm also considering re-working a few tunes I recorded on Chuck Jackson "Rainbow in your Heart" and "Just A Little Love" Jobete Music is an AMAZING catalog and you can almost close your eyes and just pick a Hit song to record even TODAY. Peace

By John Lester (217.40.198.4) on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 08:17 am:

Hmmm..that Teardrops Keep Falling on Your Head album didn't have any credits on the album cover.

That is interesting that you produced Just a Little Love...its a Stevenson Hunter song recorded on the Tops, Marvin and Ivy Jo, but not issued on them at the time. How did you get to choose this song, Clay?

By cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Tuesday, January 07, 2003 - 05:19 pm:

Clay
Ralph

Thank you very much for your kind words. This forum has been extremely exciting for me. To think that we have a place where we are able to ask questions of and give props to the greats. It has been an incredible learning experience. A lot of forums get into ugly "back and forths" and die in a vat of vitriol. This forum tries to stay positive and as a result, will thrive.

Clay

You are right my friend the Jobete catalogue is a gold mine of potential. Good luck with your present work and know that I WILL record one of your tunes someday. As sure as I am black!! LOL!!! I am an eternal fan.
Have a Blessed Day!!
Michael

By Clay (66.73.217.233) on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 03:39 am:

John Lester,
You must remember I worked in Quality Control and I got to hear every single song that was recorded or in the can. I chose "Just A Little Love" for Chuck Jackson because it was a great song with a very creative structure.+Ivy Hunter is one of the best songwriters to sign with Motown and He's got a bunch of songs I'd like to cut or recut. He and I are planning to work together on a few projects thruout 2003/2004. Peace

By John Lester (213.123.132.246) on Thursday, January 09, 2003 - 03:44 am:

I view the SITSOM nominations as an acknowledgement for all who participated in the music and made it what it was. The film cannot include everyone for obvious reasons but to my way of thinking, it's about a teamwork and the team covers many.

Well done, Clay!

By cleoharvey (160.79.83.208) on Friday, January 10, 2003 - 12:15 pm:

Clay:

You and Ivy Hunter are a fabulous combination. Good luck with your projects and please let us know if anything is released that may be acqured.

Your friend,
Michael

By Larry (12.141.160.25) on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 01:42 pm:

Clay,

You mentioned some projects that would be available via your website. Can you provide the link?

By Clay (66.73.187.140) on Saturday, January 11, 2003 - 08:35 pm:

Larry,
There is not a link available just yet the site has not been launched yet. I'll let you know when it's ready. Peace

By larry (216.23.183.2) on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 02:50 pm:

Yet another Monday morning blah is quelled by a Clay McMurray production: If I Were Your Woman. Sure, it's the only CM production I ever bring up, but, this track is a monumental contribution to contemporary music.

Signed,

Torchbearer

By Davie Gordon (193.122.21.42) on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 03:57 pm:

Clay,

Could you tell me if "Make Me The Woman You Go Home To" was recorded as the intended follow-up to
"If I Were Your Woman". It sounds to me as if they
were recorded more-or-less back to back.

It always puzzled me that "I Don't Want To Do
Wrong" was issued as the follow up. Must admit it's not my favourite Gladys track ad for my money wasn't the right thing to issue as the follow up to such a big hit. I guess there was
some political situation, namely that "Wrong" was
co-written by the group (well that's what the label says although Katherine Anderson would
disagree).

"Make .." is quite probably my favourite of all
the productions you did with the group - in fact
it's possibly my favourite out of ALL Gladys'
tracks.

Thanks

By Clay (66.73.182.63) on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 09:04 pm:

Hi Dave,
Yes "Make Me The Woman" was written and produced to be the follow up to "If I Were Your Woman" I cut that trk after "If I Were Your Woman" became a big HIT. I
felt that I was pushed aside on the follow up because of the initial struggle I had with the Head of Quality
control to get "If I Were Your Woman" released. If you play both songs back to back you find that it was the perfect follow up and probably would have been just as big or bigger than "If I Were Your Woman" if it had been released as the follow up and promoted. The politics at Motown were designed to control the destiny of certain people,because I don't think they wanted to create another HDH situation which got out of their control because of their consistance success and their request for a bigger share of the PIE. If you really look close
HDH,Norman Whitfield,were actually rebels that got too big for the company. All the other consistent writers were either artist or folk that did'nt make big waves,like myself. Peace

By RALPH (209.240.198.62) on Monday, January 20, 2003 - 09:30 pm:

Clay my old friend. You need a new thread. this one is way to long. And why not? you certainly have legendary status here.so......THIS THREAD IS CLOSED....CLOSED....LOSED....GO TO CLAY MCMURRAY 2....THIS THREAD IS HISTORY....