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  Hurm (hurm) 1-Arriviste Username: hurm Post Number: 3 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.109.0.163 |
I was hoping someone could list some vocsl groups from Detroit or that recorded on Detroit labels. Are the Pearls or the Paragons from Detroit? Are the Lake or Onyx labels Detroit labels? | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 28 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Gales, Thrillers, Corvells, Diablos, Five Dollars, Nitecaps, Fabulous Playboys, Five Jets and The Violinaires to start with... | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 94 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.219.250.5 |
Onyx was from New York - owned by producer Jerry Winston. The Pearls were one of his groups - New Yorkers whose lineup included future solo singers Derek Martin and Howard Guyton. The Paragons were New Yorkers who recorded for Winley owned by Paul Winley. There's more than one Lake label - if you mean the one the Cashmeres recorded for it's from New York although there are later connections to Detroit. I'll list Detroit doowop groups later but there's probably a previous thread about this - check the archives for "Detroit doowop" Davie | ||
Jim_Dunn (wawawaooh) 1-Arriviste Username: wawawaooh Post Number: 1 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.206.46.218 |
Here's a few more Fortune/ Hi-Q artists from Detroit, along with a representative recording. Montclairs - Golden Angel Creators - Wear My Ring Paul Lewis & Swans- Wedding Bells Royal Jokers- Sweet Little Angel Nathaniel Mayer & Twilights -Villlage Of Love Earthquakes - This Is Really Real Delteens - Listen To The Rain Joe Weaver & Don Juans - Baby I Love You So Five Jets - I'm Wandering El Capris- Girl Of Mine Centuries- Take My Hand Starlighters- Zoom Four Kings- Rose Of Tangier Hi-Fidelities- Street Of Loneliness Del Victors - Oh Lover Jimmy Burke & Sequins- Ooh Ooh Those Eyes Lee & Leopards- Don't Press Your Luck I Found Out- Disciples Of Soul Creshendals- Oh My Love Utopias- Maybe Gene Allison & Jeanettes- Your Star Lapels- Bad Luck Premiers- When You Are In Love Ferros- Come Home My Love Gardenias- I'm Laughing At You Five Dukes Of Rhythm- Soft Sweet & Really Fine There is a bootleg 4 CD series "Itty Bitty Treasure Chest" on Regency that has all these and more. | ||
Jim_Dunn (wawawaooh) 1-Arriviste Username: wawawaooh Post Number: 2 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.206.46.218 |
I forgot to mention the Velvet Angels, who splintered off from the Diablos. There releases didn't come out on Fortune though. And also Andre Williams and New Group on Fortune. Jim | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 488 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.62.135 |
Does anyone know how many records Fortune pressed on an initial first run of a record, and which Fortune releases are condidered to be the "rarest"? | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 5-Doyen Username: wonder_b Post Number: 364 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.50.171.251 |
Wasn't Phil Perry a singer with the Montclairs? I can't reach my books right now... LOL I love the man's voice and I have always wondered why he never had a greater solo career... I have his albums with Kevin Sanlin and some stuff he did with Dave Koz as well as his solo albums, but... Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go! | ||
S.R. (fury13) 2-Debutant Username: fury13 Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.2.196.4 |
Eli, Ron Murphy probably knows a lot about those Fortune questions. But obviously, the bigger stars like Nolan Strong/Diablos, Andre Williams, Five Dollars, Nathaniel Mayer, etc., had bigger initial pressings, because Fortune was actively promoting them -- they were moneymakers for the label. Other pressings were "custom" -- in other words, the artists themselves would pay for the cost of a session and the pressing. I have heard that custom pressings were often only about 200 copies. Johnny Powers' record on Fortune was a custom, from what I understand. Fortune would also use whatever color label they had in stock at the time (or felt like using), so label colors aren't necessarily tied to era of issue (although blue was predominant, purple was used in the early days, and the pink with blue lettering was used circa '61-'63). I've seen maroon, purple, royal blue, pink, turquoise, light blue, black, yellow, white, red... you name it. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 490 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.18.247 |
Thanks mein "fury" | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 324 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.108.65.10 |
There are also The Royal Holidays, Leaping Flames, Royal Ravens, Seminoles, Voice Masters, Five Masters, Five Quails/Quails, Peppermints,Falcons, Little Joe & Moroccos, Equadors, Five Playboys/Playboys/Fabulous Playboys, Distants, Twilighters, Glows, Quailtones, Satintones, Fascinators, Aqua-Nites,Platters, Larados, Creations, and a lot more. The Paragons from Detroit were a '60s female Soul group. Dynamics-Delsinia -there were several '60s Doo Wop Records from Detroit, Creations, Royal Ravens, Leaping Flames, Serenaders (NY group, but DooWop recorded by Motown), Versatones (Motown/Detroit '60s Group - NOT NY '50s Doo wop group). | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 98 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.219.250.3 |
Wonder B, Different groups - there were at least three groups of that name. The one that had Phil Perry was from St.Louis Davie | ||
Brian T. (mrclemma) 2-Debutant Username: mrclemma Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I have a great 78 by the Five Emeralds, "Darling"/"Pleasure Me" (S.R.C. 107)from '54. S.R.C. was a label out of Ferndale, the town just to the north of Detroit on Woodward Ave., as well as the town that usually ends up hosting the SD45 Throwdowns. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 339 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.17.98 |
That's a great one Brian T. It was also on a 45, and I also have SRC 106 by The 5 Emeralds, "I'll Beg/"Let Me Take You Out Tonight", and I also forgot to list "Fine Fine Baby"/"Moments To Remember" by The Romeos on Fox 845/846 No Record Catalogue Number. Lamont Dozier was a member of The Romeos. I also forgot to mention The Van Dellos, Tornados, Pharaohs, Mello-Tones. | ||
Andy Alonzo (joker) 1-Arriviste Username: joker Post Number: 9 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.54.205.197 |
Davie Gordon, The Pearls were a Detroit group. Andy Alonzo | ||
Brian T. (mrclemma) 2-Debutant Username: mrclemma Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.164.145.198 |
Robb, Thanks for the info. I absolutely love "Pleasure Me". How does the earlier single compare? BTW, a beat copy of the S.R.C.#107 45 just sold for $375 a few days ago on ebay. My 78 is in pretty decent shape but the 45s are much more in demand. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 176 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
Brian Do you have the Ebay number for the S.R.C. item? TIA David | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 345 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.198.228 |
Brian T.: "I'll Beg" is a great Doo Wop group harmony song. The harmonies are fantastic. To me, it's the best group harmony doo-wop ballad to come out of Detroit. The flip side is the tipical "jump blues"semi-novelty, fast side. It must be nothing special, as I can't remember it. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 346 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.198.228 |
Other Doo Wop or 50s R&B Groups in Detroit were on Fortune (other than those already mentioned above-Don Juans, Five Dollars, Swans,Royal Jokers,Four Kings, Diablos, Lee & Leopards, Nathaniel Mayer & Twilights, : Five Dukes of Rhythm Joe Weaver and His Blue Notes Tony Valla and The Alamos Destinations Premiers Centurys Delteens Magnatones Nite Sounds (Melvin Davis' Group-early '60s) Gene & Jeanettes Earthquakes (Vocal group) Disciples ('60s) | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 4-Laureate Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.219.250.5 |
Hi Andy, Thanks for the correction on the Pearls - that'll teach me to make assumptions :-) Did they start in Detroit then move to New York ? As far as I can tell all of Derek Martin's solo records, except maybe for "Soul Power"/"Sly Girl" are NY recordings. Davie | ||
count (the_count) 3-Pundit Username: the_count Post Number: 53 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.14.221.162 |
Some Detroit lables, The Gigolos who were also Jamie Coe's back up band.   Joe Von Battle lable     In 1962 Frantic Ernie Durham gave me 4our boxes of 78's with mostly Detroit lables, latter i'll pull them and scan and post them the best i kan. "COUNT"    | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 179 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
Some great scans Count. I'll look forward to seeing more from you. | ||
Andy Alonzo (joker) 1-Arriviste Username: joker Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 69.54.205.168 |
Davie Gordon, The 5 pearls, started in Detroit at Chadsey High, in 1951, as Don Revels,Max Wood,Rosco King and Howard Guidon.They drove to Harlem and performed at the Appollo,They were with Aladin, Atco and Onyx. Don Revels also sings with The Shades of Blue. Andy Alonzo | ||
Nikki (45rpmgal) 3-Pundit Username: 45rpmgal Post Number: 43 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.206.46.218 |
Kount - wow - great images! Thanx for posting them! What does the Hot Tamales sound like? Robb, or anyone....Re the Nite Sounds (Fortune), I assume some of the 45s have some vocals (???), but I bought one awhile back (I THINK it was "I Love You With Tender Passion/Cheese Cake") because it was FORTUNE, and was also listed in the Jeff Kreiter Vocal Group Guide, and it was all INSTRUMENTAL on both sides! (I bought it "blind" without hearing it first!) Needless to say, I was disappointed, and ended up re-selling it! ***********************************************  And some other female groups that might be quasi doowop or transitional in style: Kittens (I Love You So) Taylor Tones (My Heart Went Zing) Satin Angels (Pity Me) Ruby & Her Swinging Rocks (I Cried A Tear Over You) Conquerors (Dutchess Conquers Duke) Clevers (Love Me Now) La Dolls (I'll Be Back) Corvells (He's So Fine) -- this is the female version of the Falcons hit! Sorry, I have no 45 rpm images to post on above! Anyone have these on 45? Would love to see the images  Anyone???? ***********************************************   Although not Detroit (close enuf?????) and a later vintage, thought I'd post these anyway, as they ARE good doo-wop! Nikki http://www.harmonytrain.com (Message edited by 45rpmgal on June 01, 2004) | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 347 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.108.90.195 |
Nikki: At least one of those 45s by The Nite Sounds are vocals, as is The Melvin Davis and The Nite Sounds. Maybe The Nite Sounds were an instrumental group that just backed up Melvin Davis on those cuts? I have several of those Detroit Girls Groups' srecords you listed, but I won't be able to scan them until November. Count: Although it is true that The Hot Tamales on Detroit is, technically a "Detroit label"; apparantly, it is not from Detroit. We have discussed this in depth on one of the last threads on SD's Old Forum. I assume it is available in the Archives. It was called "Hot Tamales" or something similar. It seems that the label was in Boston, and the group came from Baltimore. |
