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  Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 3-Pundit Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.101 |
Those of us in the USA will have a chance to see this documentary detailing the demise of the recording industry tonight (Thursday May 27) on our local PBS affiliates. A lot of it is stuff that is already well known, but I guess the documentary will tie up all of the usual suspects (greed, industry consolidation, greed, Clearchannel, greed, MTV, greed, downloading, and greed) with one neat bow.  Regards, Ken (Message edited by Livonia Ken on May 27, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1162 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi Ken, I can predict that downloading takes the hit here. I just hope that this will be an honest overview & not a RIAA public service announcement. I've gotta see this one. | ||
jrlo (jrlo) 4-Laureate Username: jrlo Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.3.74.205 |
Aww...when I read the title The Day the Music Died..I thought you were talking about Madonna and Britney Spears! Sounds good! I'll check my local schedule when I get home! Thanks! | ||
jrlo (jrlo) 4-Laureate Username: jrlo Post Number: 90 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.3.74.205 |
Oh..the WAY The Music Died..sorry!!! Comment about Madonna and Britney still fits though! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1164 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
OH HO HO!!! Je Je's on a roll. Looks like you're getting geared up for the weekend. I see you've got jokes today! Actually, I thought they starred in The Day The Music Cried. Oh well, might have been the sequel | ||
jrlo (jrlo) 4-Laureate Username: jrlo Post Number: 91 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.3.74.205 |
Or the Day the Music found a rope and hung itself!!! (: Counting away the hours to my vacation...one two...three..... | ||
jrlo (jrlo) 4-Laureate Username: jrlo Post Number: 92 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.3.74.205 |
Didn't do my smiley the right way... There ya go! | ||
Destruction (destruction) 3-Pundit Username: destruction Post Number: 39 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.224.2 |
Oh it died like this Oh it died like that Oh it lived in a place called Tennessee They wear short short dresses above their knee Hands up tussie tussie..... | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1165 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Well alright then. But of course you do know that a smile is just a frown turned upside down.........amen. Feel free to use that one, anytime, my treat ;) | ||
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 3-Pundit Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 40 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.101 |
...not to be confused with the unreleased Jerry Lewis magnum opus "The Day the Clown Cried". What the heck, if my thread was going down the toilet, I figured I might as well take a swirl. Regards, Ken | ||
jrlo (jrlo) 4-Laureate Username: jrlo Post Number: 95 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.3.74.205 |
I'm sorry Ken!!!! Ok...back to business...we got carried away!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1177 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
OH MY GOD!!!! SOMEONE FINALLY GOT IT!!!!! Two fine industry people finally admitted that downloading is not the problem. One of the acknowledged that in some of the court defenses, those who were charged testified that they were tired of buying an entire CD that stunk, for the two good songs that were good. He stated that the pushing aside of the single has hurt the industry more than anything. The other gentleman who is affiliated with Outkast stated that music is still selling when its good music. He said that the industry was simply not making good music. That the industry keeps feeding the consumer the same old garbage, until the consumer got tired & refused nto buy it anymore. FINALLY!!!! Somebody gets it!!! | ||
NYC Diva (nyc_diva) 3-Pundit Username: nyc_diva Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.184.163.219 |
Hey Juice, This is what people have been saying for years...that they got tired of buying an entire CD for a couple of songs that were really tight, and the other stuff was just junk. I know that's the case with me. I'm surprized that someone in the industry has finally paid attention to what the record buying public has been saying for the longest time, because it seemed like they were ignoring it and finding other reasons for low CD sales. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1178 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi NYC Diva, Long time, no see! What is your site again??? What you say is true. The labels have been manipulating us for years. Holding back the hot record, thereby forcing us to buy a CD that we don't want. What about the CDs with 15 skits & 10 songs??? They just got used to having a one-sided relationship with us, all in their favor. Now that people are rebelling, they don't like it. They are just that arrogant & I could care less if those majors sunk like boulders. They've been jerking everybody, the artists & especially us. They're a bunch of hypocrites & they're finally reaping the fruits of their poison. They find the taste to be bitter & still fail to look into the mirror for the answers. It's everyone elses' fault. That's what arrogance will do to you. | ||
Vonnie (vonnie) 5-Doyen Username: vonnie Post Number: 188 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Bring back the days when you would buy a 45 by the Temptations, Drifters, The Miracles, Stevie Wonder and others and get a hit song on both sides. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1192 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Vonnie, I'd settle for a CD with 4 songs that are decent. Hit me with the hee-hee-hee, ooooh,oooh,oooh,oooh,yeah,yeah , yeah, yeah,yeah. That's most of the lyrics these days. Oh yeah, don't forget the remix!!!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1193 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Ken, On the real side, that special was a bit different than I expected it to be. Nevertheless, I am so glad to see that they talked to real artists & came up with some real answers & not some RIAA BS. I was so glad to see that these guys really get it. Maybe there's hope after all! | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 293 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
I just happened to surf into this program so I didn't see it from the beginning. They also addressed the situation with today's radio market which further muddles up the business. For me, I think opening up that shoe store I've been talking about is starting to sound better and better. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1201 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Ralph, It was a very revealing program. For once, these folks dealt with real issues, not smoke & mirrors. It was very refreshing to hear artists & industry insiders addressing the facts & not looking for scapegoats. Maybe there's some hope!!! | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 483 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.62.135 |
Hey Juice. I got it, I got it!!! Do the remix BEFORE the single release, but dont forget to put the modulation BEFORE the intro!!! | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 294 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Hey Bobby..I like that new line of Phillips head screw drivers you're carrying in your great hardware store. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 485 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.62.135 |
I concur with your thoughts, Ralph. It sounds very inviting, doesn't it?? | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 295 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
If nothing else, I'm sure life would be a lot less complicated Bobby. | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 487 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.163.62.135 |
Ill get paulie to get the trucks, capice??@#$%^&*() | ||
Livonia Ken (livonia_ken) 3-Pundit Username: livonia_ken Post Number: 44 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 136.1.1.33 |
The music business sounds, in the words of my two year old, yucky. Perhaps you guys could work in a less corrupt industry such as vending machines or casino gambling. Regards, Ken | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 296 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Ken, I don't know what you do for a living, but I remember one Christmas you posted a picture of you with your family in front of the Christmas Tree. While looking at that nice picture I have to admit to a slight pang of jealosy on my part, and I felt something in my life had passed me by because of the music business. I still think of that picture from time to time. Well, maybe I Will check out the vending machine businress. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1213 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Bobby, I'll break out the Trinity & the M1 & even though I can't play a lick, by jove, I'll come up with something! Maybe Ashanti can sing the hook on the remix!!!! LOOK OUT WORLD...BOBBY & JUICE ARE GOING PLATNINUM. Hey Bobby.....we didn't even have to kill anyone in the song!!!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1214 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Awww Ralphie, You can't be running around here saying stuff like that. I told you before, keep your chin up buckaroo. Everything old becomes new again, you know that! | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 297 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Juice, Are you telling me I'll be 21 again someday??? I'll tell you something though. Years ago when my daughter was just a tot, she went to this ballet school run by a couple of old Lesbians. The Borgia sisters. On Saturdays I would pick Alisa up to take her to her dance lesson. The parents were allowed to sit in the room and watch. I loved this. The staff ( which was rather young ) addressed each other as Miss or Mister and the place just wreaked of civility. Such a contrast to the business I was in where I would have to examine my back every evening to see how many knives were sticking in it. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1217 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Ralphie, They say that we all revist our childhood. Now that you mention it, I realize that we usually skip 21 & go straight to 2. Ok, bad example!!! I can understand checking for puncture marks. It's such a shame that a business that brings so much pleasure to the listeners, often brings so much pain to the makers. What a contradiction, huh? Still, keep your head to the sky, for I know a change gonna come....oh yes it will!!! | ||
janebse (janebse) 2-Debutant Username: janebse Post Number: 28 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.63.4.229 |
I surfed TV and found Beyonce singing a song. She looked good, but the music was dullsville. I kept thinking, "Well, this must be the verse; it will sound better when she gets to the chorus." It never sounded better. It was absolutely boring. Same way with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake at the Super Bowl. Absolutely boring. Surfed some more and found someone singing rap. There was a beat, but believe me, jazz needs to come back. It was a boring beat. The words had nothing to do with me although they might have been meaningful to the singer. There was no melody. Why are the PBS specials with Motown music so popular? Hey, you can sing along with them. They make you happy. There's enough real tragedy in the world. Who wants to hear someone singing of murder, rape, beatings, brutality, hate? Who wants to watch an entertainer who is dressed as a slob or a hooker? Make me smile. Make me laugh. Sometimes you can make me cry, but not with hate. And there's nothing wrong with looking sexy if you do it tastefully. Be alluring. I don't want to be hit with a sledge hammer. | ||
ralph (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 299 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.61 |
Janebse, I still quote my 84 year old mom who, when referring to the entertainers of the Real Motown Era....." They had class! " I couldn't say it any better! | ||
Eli (phillysoulman) 6-Zenith Username: phillysoulman Post Number: 491 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.236.18.247 |
I heard the new song by that dreadful Musiq soulchild. There are only THREE notes in the whole song. Talk about boring. | ||
Leo B (leo_b) 2-Debutant Username: leo_b Post Number: 19 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.108.65 |
For interviews, broadcast times for this Frontline show you guys may want to check the PBS site: The producers of the show really nailed it! http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/ frontline/shows/music/ Leo B | ||
motownboy (motownboy) 3-Pundit Username: motownboy Post Number: 33 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.117.45.234 |
For me the music "died" or got "crtitically ill" back in the 1980s..... I can't say exactly when, but by the late 1980s, the change was noticeable. Maybe about the time Bobby Brown became popular..... Of course, it could also be a function of me getting older, but I prefer to think that it is because of the rise of hip-hop and rap which places the beat and the rap ahead of the music..... | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1237 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Motownboy, you have a excellent point there. I think that is was the affordability of Samplers, Keyboards, Sequencers & Drum Machines that has led to this. A one-man band that replaced musicians. Guys didn't get together & jam anymore. You have a couple of guys perhaps, with no musical skills putting together beats & sequences. No woodshedding & bouncing musical phrases like they used to do. Could you imagine how some of our classics would have sounded without that musical byplay???? It would probably sound like today's music & that would've been sad! | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314 Post Number: 468 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
...and that documentary was about?... | ||
Fred (fred) 2-Debutant Username: fred Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
For anyone who didn't see the show, there are extensive excerpts from the interviews here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/ frontline/shows/music/ | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314 Post Number: 470 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Oh I saw the show...but it hit 'menial' points to me...my favorite part of the the show was Hank Cosby breakdown of 'sucky music'...and seeing the Hudson Brothers comedy hour clips. Good Flash back. However it just scratched the surface of 'When the Music (allegedly) Died in, i'm sorry to say, 'a more Anglo Saxon viewpoint'. It caught 10 seconds of disco, and 5 minutes of rap and a disregard African American Music. I saw nothing about real soul there or for that matter what I consider real rock music...It appeared to be more the journey of Sarah Hudson not being able to get her stuff viewed in video or played, and Mark Hudson bitter battle with the failed music career. Well, it did not sound that great to me. JMO, DyvaNaye | ||
motownboy (motownboy) 3-Pundit Username: motownboy Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.119.59.92 |
Fred -Thanks for the link to the interview excerpts!! I missed the PBS broadcast..... As quoted, Danny Goldberg, who had his own PR company and also managed Bonnie Raitt, Nirvana, and the Beastie Boys and worked for Warner Music Group, tells FRONTLINE. "I don't think there's any emotional difference between the way teenagers process music today and the way they did when I was a teenager." I think he may be correct about that except now teenagers are being fed �crap� for music. What teenagers were �fed� for music before (up until the mid 1980s or so), was, generally speaking, much better than what is coming out now. However, most teens today only have exposure to the current �crap� out there �..and it gets accepted because they know of no other alternatives. It is like teaching your child good nutritional habits. If you give a child junk food as their main way of eating, guess what � that�s what they end up adopting on a regular basis. If you give them good eating habits, they will tend to adopt those instead. We have raised a culture full of �junk-music� consumers, �thanks� to the music industry, its greed and to the indifferent parenting of kids��. | ||
Linda Lexy (linda_lexy) 1-Arriviste Username: linda_lexy Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 68.60.74.124 |
Norah Jones coming in on Blue Note, selling 8 million copies and sweeping the Grammy's last year was a powerful statement to me. I was hipped to her about a year 1/2 before she hit big and remember saying how sad I thought it was that music like hers didn't get a push. That was one instance I was happy to be wrong. Last night at my gig I dug so deep in the music vault, spinning so much great funk and soul you could cut the air with a knife and it amazes me how week after week I am getting more young people in that love it. They are telling thier friends and I am happy to turn them on. | ||
BassLand (bassland) 2-Debutant Username: bassland Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 67.115.74.178 |
it seems no one rooted for the artist (musicians and singers) that never got paid for the "45's" they made back in the day. Now technology has come to the point where if I have the talent, I can produce a marketable product (and sell it myself over the internet) and not have to foot the bill for the recording sessions and all cost related to the production of my music yet, see the majority of the profit from it go to the record companies. I can use computers and get this all done "in house" literally. I think the model for what has been historically called the "Record Business" is dead and waiting to be buried. The attempt by RIAA to do what it is doing now are the record companies death throwes (spelling). Did you know there is a bill being fast tracked in (rushed through) the US Senate that would switch the responsibilities of going after the "pirates" from the companies who own the copyright to the FEDs? Talk about witch hunt. Mind you I do not file swap using KAZA or whatever it is called. I dont believe in it but I see it as a smokescreen to twart the growth on self production of music by the people who make the music. Artist and musicians need to produce thier own music. BL (Message edited by BassLand on May 29, 2004) |
