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  acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 99 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
I'd like to make a comprehensive list of songs written by Jesse Greer. I can't trace any with BMI, yet his name appears on some record labels. I'll list a few below and hopefully people here can be add to it... I've Been Hurt - The Barons - Spartan #400 Money Don't Grow On Trees - The Barons - Soul #837 and Spartan #402 While The Cats Away - The Barons - Soul #838 Burn Up Some Road - The Attractions -Deto #1 | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
I can add "Quiet Home" which is published by Lovelane Music Publishing. Lovelane was Morris Kaplan's company (co-owner of Danceland Records). Don't know who recorded it though. Just checked BMI and found a list of works by JG here http://tinyurl.com/2f5o5 Note that at least one of the works is actually by the 1930s Broadway composer Jesse Greer so check carefully. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 100 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Thanks, BJL ! Here are a couple from that list... Quiet Home - The Sea Shells - Villige #1000 It'll Be a Long Time - Yvonne Vernee - Sonbert #5842 (Slightly different to the title on the label) Below is the BMI list with the publishers credited; Brohun was Joe Hunter and Fred Brown's company - but I don't recall hearing songs with these titles... 1. ALONG TOBACCO ROAD 2. GIVE ME YOUR LOVE (catalina) 3. HURT WORSE (Brohun) 4. HUSH (Catalina) 5. I'VE BEEN HURT (see above list) 6. IRENE CASTLE'S YUM YUM FOX TRO 7. IT'LL BE A LONG TIME (Correc-tone) 8. OH NO I CAN'T LET YOU GO (Brohun) 9. QUIET HOME (Lovelane) 10. SHE'S A HEARTBREAKER (Catalina) 11. TALK TOO MUCH (Zomba) 12. THIS EMPTY ROOM (Brohun) 13. TREMBLE (Catalina) 14. YOU'RE GONNA LOSE HIM (Correc-tone) 15. YUM YUM Who owned Catalina? | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 101 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
Does anyone here have a copy of Sue Perrin's J&W label 45, titled "Can't Let Go" ? | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Catalina is connected with Maggie Music Inc, a NYC company. Don't know much about them except that they publish Betty LaVette's "I'm Just A Fool For You" (Calla 106). Could ask Ms B... #6, #11 and #15 (and probably #1) are by the other JG. #11 is a work by LA singer/rapper Smooth (Juanita Stokes) which samples a work by the other JG. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Thanks again BJL. It's interesting that the Soul and Deto label 45s aren't on the BMI site. Jesse probably penned some more songs - but it means having the actual 45s to find out what they are. As well as the Brohun songs, I can't think of a record titled "You're Gonna Lose Him," which Correc-tone published. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 312 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.195.203 |
I'm very interested in Jesse too, being a fan of The Peppermints and Barons. I think I have several, or at least a few 45s all of Detroit product (but one or two on NY labels) that were written by Jesse Greer that weren't mentioned above. It seems to me that one or two were on Sue labels, and a few were from later Detroit indie labels from later than The Barons' period. Unfortunately, I'll only be in L.A. with the bulk of my 45s for a few more days, then, I won't be back until November. I really don't have time to scour through my Detroit 45s looking at credits. I'll give a look through Sue/Symbol however. Regarding the Correc-Tone song: I have no Correc-Tone related record with that song title onit, nor have I seen reference to that tile on a Correc-Tone related pressing. Maybe it was an unreleased recording, or even got published but never recorded? Or, it was written and published by Correc-Tone staff, and sold to another Detroit label? If the latter situation occurred, it must be quite obscure, indeed. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 103 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Robb I remember Ron telling me that Jesse said something about recording for Sue - I think it might have been the song titled "Hush." Hopefully Ron will join the discussion. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 316 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.29.193 |
The song I know of on a Sue label that was written by Jesse Greer was by a male group. I don't know if he was in the group, but I suspect so. I think it was on Symbol or Crakerjack, but I think he also wrote a song that ended up on Sue's flagship "Sue" label. Hush rings a bell, but I think I considered that song the B side. I looked through my Sue labels, and didn't see it. That means that those 2 records must be in Chicago for taping. I'll e-mail my cousin, and see if he can dig it up for me. I've got no time now to look through my Detroit small labels for the other songs (I've got to finish packing, arrange to have my electricity and cable turned off, etc.) I'll have to look for them in November. But, you might get all that info from other sources. Good Luck. | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 68 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
hi everyone: I 'm presently in contact with Jesse Greer and talked with him again a few days ago regarding the HOB project I'm working on. I can tell you that all the Barons are still alive except for Roger Craton(Lee Rogers). Mr. Greer has told me some interesting things including that florence Ballard was his girlfriend when they lived in the projects in the late 50's and it was Jesse that took the Primettes down to the rehearsal room at The House Of Beauty to practice. because of the HOB project I have been researching HOB's song titles along with Jesse Greer's as well and I found that someone renewed his copyrights in 1995 and put their name on them as a co-claiment, and he knew nothing about it. I have been putting parts of the puzzle together such as the mystery of SM1929, I will post some of this information later. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 318 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.31.237 |
I found one of the Sue Records with Jesse Greer's writing. It is Sue 761, from March-April 1962, by The Cavaliers: "She's A Heartbreaker"/"Give Me Your Love". It sounds very Detroitish, and the lead singer on the "A" side is DEFINATELY the same singer as The Cavaliers' lead on "Dance Little Girl", RCA47-9054, a Pied Piper Production Exec. Produced by Paul Robinson, and arranged by Joe Hunter (I believe Jack Ashford was also involved). Perhaps we can ask Jack (a sometimes SD poster) if The Cavaliers were a Detroit group, and whether Jesse Greer was in the group. Both sides of the Sue Cavaliers' record sound as if they could have been recorded in Detroit. But, I also know that there was an East Coast group called the Cavaliers, and Sue was a NY label. Yet, why would a NY group on a NY label sing 2 songs by Jesse Greer??? I assume that the other Sue Record with Jesse Greer as a writer, which I noticed in my collection years ago, must be "Hush" b/w "Tremble". As I stated previously, I'll e-mail my cousin, to see if he can find it. As it is also Catalina music, I assume that it is another Cavaliers' record, or maybe a Jesse Greer solo??? Unfortunately, I can't remember. Also, I looked at "Quiet Home" by The Sea Shells, and noticed (for the first time) that the writer is spelt as: "JERRY Greer). As the credits went to Jesse on the BMI Register, I assume that it was merely a misspelling on the Villige Record. Any thoughts? Anyone else have a different pressing on which it is spelt correctly? Graham: Regarding the so-called Yvonne Vernee "It'll Be A Long Time" (slight misspelling) on SonBert 5842: SonBert 5842 was "Just Like You Did Me" (written by Tony Clark)/b/w "I'm In Love"(written by Ron Davis)both by Yvonne. Her other SonBert Record, 3475, was "It's Been A Long Time" (produced and written by William Weatherspoon). Both sides were produced and written by Weatherspoon. I really doubt that Weatherspoon would have sold his rights to that song to Jesse in recent years. That has to be some kind of error. (Message edited by Robb_K on May 27, 2004) (Message edited by Robb_K on May 27, 2004) | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 4-Laureate Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
Robb; yes Jesse talked about the Sue record-Jesse was not in the group, and he said Tommie Moers financed the recording, I think he said it was done in NY but I'll ask about that...now Moers was the writer on HOB 111 as well as a few other things such as "Tonight Is Just Another Night" | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 319 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.31.237 |
Tom Moers was The A&R guy at Danceland, and also produced the Sea Shells on Villige. Ron, please look at my above post again, as I added a lot by editing, while you were answering the shorter version. | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 4-Laureate Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
hi Robb: sorry I can't add anything right now to what you have which seems to be correct-including the Sue release date,if there is something you'd like me to ask Mr. Greer I 'll be calling him back in about a week. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 106 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Robb - Sorry, I got the Sonbert label numbers mixed up; it is 3475. But it seems odd that it's published by Correc-tone; perhaps I've put two and two together and come up with 5! I suppose it's possible that the other Correc-tone published song (You're Gonna Lose Him) is on the flip of a 45... somewhere. I'm in touch with one of The Cavaliers - Bobby Croft. There were four guys in the group that recordedd for RCA, but Jesse wasn't one of them. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 107 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
When I spoke to Ron a couple of weeks ago we were wondering about another Sue 45 (Crackerjack label) by The Dramatics. This isn't Ron Banks' group, and I forget who actually wrote "Toy Soldier" - but reckon it might have been Joe Hunter and Fred Brown. Can someone tell me for sure, and give the details of the flip side too, please? It's possible that there might be a connection. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 321 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.24.220 |
Yes. I'd be very interested in "Toy Soldier" by The first Dramatics group, too. Somehow, I missed it in 1964. It must be a very rare record. I can add this, however: Sue's Juggy Murray picked up (leased) and made partnership recording, pressing, distribution and label deals, as well as purchasing songs, with a lot of Detroit producers and small label owners over the years, through go-betweens such as Johnnie Mae Matthews, George Kerr, Robert Bateman, as well as Detroit people contacting him. Apparantly, in a good portion of these deals, the artists also came to New York to record. Ron: You could ask Jesse if he joined another group when The Barons disbanded. You could ask him who he worked for, and on what projects, during the rest of the '60s. You might ask him about "You're Gonna Lose Him"-the Correc-Tone song (who the artist was, who the producers were, and how he got involved with Correc-Tone. Graham: Any chance you could you ask your contact with The Cavaliers if they were the same group that recorded with Sue, and if they released any records on labels other than RCA? | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 108 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
"Toy Soldier" was written by Fred Brown, Joe Hunter and Harry Gates. I'm not sure what the other side is though. | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 26 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Flip is "Hello Summer" by the same 3 writers. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 172 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
Graham let me hear "Toy soldier" sometime ago. It is a stunning record. Superb thread everyone. Many thanks | ||
Reese (reese) 3-Pundit Username: reese Post Number: 70 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.152.13.29 |
Mary Wilson mentions Jesse in her first book. He seemed to be very good friends with the Supremes in their early days. |
