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BJL (bjl)
1-Arriviste
Username: bjl
Post Number: 9
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 62.253.64.7
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 4:44 pm: �� |     ���  |
In the Kable Records thread, Acoolcat asked about the Staples issues in the D-Town Devotional Series. Here is #204
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BJL (bjl)
1-Arriviste
Username: bjl
Post Number: 10
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 62.253.64.7
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 4:47 pm: �� | ��� |
And here is #206
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Robb_K (robb_k)
5-Doyen
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 289
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.200.66
| | Posted on Tuesday, May 25, 2004 - 6:04 pm: �� | ��� |
BJL: I have 204-The Staple Singers. It's by far my all-time favourite recording by them - and that includes all their VJ, Riverside, Epic and other labels. What does 206 by The Stapleton Singers sound like? |
BJL (bjl)
2-Debutant
Username: bjl
Post Number: 11
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 217.205.87.151
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 5:59 am: �� | ��� |
Robb - if you like #204 then you'll like #206.
"Tell Him What You Want" is a version of "Jesus Is On The Mainline" and is uptempo. Pop leads this track until one of the girls takes over. "I Will Trust In The Lord" (mx MW 691) is a slower, waltz-time recording with another Pop lead. Pick up that copy on eBay if you can...
(To all Staples fans - look out for a 2 CD retrospective on them soon from the 1950s to date. No D-Towns, however.)
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acooolcat (acooolcat)
4-Laureate
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 90
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 6:38 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks for the nice scans BJL. I think these D-Town releases date from c. 1965.
So, I guess you don't have #205?
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BJL (bjl)
2-Debutant
Username: bjl
Post Number: 12
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 217.205.87.151
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 6:55 am: �� | ��� |
I don't think so but my records are scattered all over my house and it's sometimes hard to find stuff...
I did find some more Detroit gospel 45s on labels like Ricare, Message (Hardye Productions), Fortune, Meldor, Staff, Knowles, Golden Age (Halo GS w/J J Barnes), Brighter Day so if any of these have any interest to anyone here, then shout. |
acooolcat (acooolcat)
4-Laureate
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 91
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 7:15 am: �� | ��� |
Hi BJL
The only 45s I know of on Ricare are:
#101 - Henry L Williams
#1400 - Pat Paterson
#1502 - St. Paul ACE Choir of Detroit
#1501 - Ted Fowler & His Allstars
I know Staff released some jazz stuff in the Fifties, and one early 60's disc by the Arabians. What year are the gospel 45s you have?
And what year is the Golden Age disc? I'd like to see a scan of the label, please. |
David Meikle (david_meikle)
Moderator
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 155
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 7:16 am: �� | ��� |
BJL
If you can manage a label scan of the Message/Meldor/Golden Age/Brighter Day labels, I'd be obliged.
many thanks
David |
BJL (bjl)
2-Debutant
Username: bjl
Post Number: 13
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 217.205.87.151
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 7:43 am: �� | ��� |
Ricare R210 National Independent Singers
14807 I've Got A Home On The Other Side (J King)Alibri BMI Lead: J King
14808 Lord, Hear My Prayer (J Hendrix) Saudy BMI Lead: W West
Both sides produced by J Hendrix. It's a Rite pressing and can be dated to 1965. Alibri was one of Joe von Battle's publishing companies - maybe he brought the group to Hendrix?
Idessa Malone's Staff label began in the late 1940s and issued a lot of Detroit jazz, blues and gospel by artists like Red Miller, Milt Hinton, Baby Boy Warren, John Lee Hooker, The Detroiters and others. Mostly *very* rare. The Staff 45s I have are by The Mystics (#1001) - nice live gospel from 1965-ish and Rev C T Nelson (live preaching). Jean Knight's "Anyone Can Love Him" came out in the 1000 series (as well as Tribe). I'll scan the Ricare and Staff 45s but won't bother with the Staff 78s unless anyone is really interested. Did Idsessa Malone record Soul?
Golden Age GA101 is late - 1981/1982. I'll scan this and the other ones that David wants tonight. Glad that this is of interest to you guys!
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acooolcat (acooolcat)
4-Laureate
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 92
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 7:52 am: �� | ��� |
BJL
The Arabians' 45 is an early soul disc. There must have been a link between her and James Hendrix - Edward Hamilton (lead) told me that the recording was made when they were with Mr. Hendrix at his Carrie label. |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
4-Laureate
Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 85
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 212.219.250.2
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 8:13 am: �� | ��� |
Graham,
As far as I remember Ricare 1502 is by the
St.Paul AME Choir
AME = African Methodist Evangelical ?
Lead on this is Cornell Blakely.
Nice to see a Detroit gospel thread - I'd been thinking about doing a thread when my notes are a bit better ordered.
Davie |
Robb_K (robb_k)
5-Doyen
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 301
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.192.105
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 9:12 am: �� | ��� |
Ricare was James Hendrix's label outlet for his Gospel productions. I assume there were several more releases on it. I've read that it was a subsidiary of Carrie, but often such labels were just another label owned by the same (or different combinations of co-owners)operated concurrently with another (or others). |
BJL (bjl)
2-Debutant
Username: bjl
Post Number: 14
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 217.205.87.151
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 9:30 am: �� | ��� |
If it helps, the address on Ricare R210 is 5210 16th Street Detroit Mich. |
DyvaNaye (westside314)
6-Zenith
Username: westside314
Post Number: 448
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 209.212.74.216
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 26, 2004 - 1:58 pm: �� | ��� |
AME : AFRICAN METHODIST ESPISCOPAL |
acooolcat (acooolcat)
4-Laureate
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 97
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 2:39 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks for the clarification on the name of the choir, DynaNaye and Davie.
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acooolcat (acooolcat)
4-Laureate
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 98
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 2:47 am: �� | ��� |
Robb
I wonder if that Ted Fowler 45 on Ricare is connected to the Allstars' disc on Von?
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
Moderator
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 160
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 2:53 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks for that address BJL.
Any further addresses will be gratefully received. |
Nikki (45rpmgal)
3-Pundit
Username: 45rpmgal
Post Number: 38
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.206.46.218
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 10:38 am: �� | ��� |
St. Paul A.M.E. Church Choir, Detroit, MI:
Cornell Blakely, Lola Malette (vocals), H. Butler (director), Rev. A.D. Evans (Pastor), others unknown:
Ricare 1502 - Jesus Prayed as They Slept (Cornell on lead) b/w When I See A Mountain (Lola Malette on lead)
St. Paul Choir of Detroit:
Creed 5178 & Nashboro 7040 - Jesus Prayed As They Slept (Cornell on lead) b/w Witness
Above info courtesy of "GOSPEL RECORDS 1943 - 1969 A Black Music Discograhy" by Cedric Hayes & Robert Laughton
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VON (address & info)
3530 Hastings St., Detroit; proprieter: Joe Von Battle; type of input: R&B, gospel; Affiliated label: J-V-B
Above info courtesy of "ARLD - The American Record Label Directory and Dating Guide, 1940-1959" by Galen Gart
I'll check thru my gospel 45s collection to see if I have any of the above that you are discussing here.....(may take awhile, they are not all on my DB)....
 Nikki |
Nikki (45rpmgal)
3-Pundit
Username: 45rpmgal
Post Number: 39
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.206.46.218
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 11:02 am: �� | ��� |
STAFF
Idessa Malone Distributors
606 E. Vernor Hwy.
Detroit, MI (January 1949)
Staff Record Co.
608 E. Vernor Hwy.
Detroit, MI (July 1950)
Proprieter: Idessa Malone*
Musical Director: Maurice King
Type of Input: R&B, jazz, gospel
Affiliated label: Dessa
(*Label operated by Paul Alexander, Walton A. Louis and Walter C. Willis between June 1949 and October 1949)
Again, above info courtesy of "ARLD..." by Galen Gart (see above post).
Nikki
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Nikki (45rpmgal)
3-Pundit
Username: 45rpmgal
Post Number: 41
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.206.46.218
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 1:53 pm: �� | ��� |
I started a new thread for Detroit label gospel 45s with some scans of above-mentioned labels and others from my collection. Hope this will be of some help. Nikki |
Robb_K (robb_k)
5-Doyen
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 315
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.81.29.193
| | Posted on Thursday, May 27, 2004 - 6:52 pm: �� | ��� |
Graham: Von had some Gospel on it. Does anyone know if Ted Fowler worked with Joe Von Battle during the late 50s? While we're at it, does anyone know if George Fowler and Ted Fowler were brothers?
I guess it's possible that the All Stars on Von were also "Ted Fowler's All Stars". Von DID release some Gospel in the late '50s. The Ricare records were in the early '60s, so it COULD be the same group. I can't tell you anything about that. But, it is reasonable that when they were called "The All Stars" in the late '50s, Jr. Walker & The All Stars hadn't started yet (so no name conflict). But, by 1961, after Jr.'s group had gotten together their would have been confusion, so Ted Fowler could have changed the name to "Ted Fowler's All Stars". I hope someone else can tell us. But remember, there wre a lot of groups called "so and so's All Stars", even concurrently. Once a specific leader's name is used, the possible confusion is no more.
BJL: Yes, I'd like to see scans of your Detroit Gospel 78s. |