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  BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
My first post here and I hope it's relevant - I'm trying to find out more about Kable Records, especially the gospel issues. Have there been any articles/label listings/dating guides on this label that I could track down? Thanks | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 77 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
BLJ, welcome I think there are only 3 releases on Kable, the Detroit label: JJ Barnes - Won't You let Me Know Leon Peterson - Silver & Gold Mel Anton - What Can I Do None of these 3 are gospel. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 145 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
Graham This one's currently on Ebay. Different label color to the one's you refer too, which is a shame. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA PI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&i tem=4014466097#ebayphotohostin g | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Thanks for the input. There definitely were gospel 45s on Kable - I already have several. I'll dig them out and post a list, if that's OK. | ||
Flynny (anoraks_corner) 3-Pundit Username: anoraks_corner Post Number: 61 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.131.199.110 |
I've got a listing for x10 Kable discs on my site...additions welcome...here's the direct link: http://capitolsoulclub.homeste ad.com/DetroitLabelsKABLE.html | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 148 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
BJL Please post as much info as you like on our favourite city! Thanks for your input. David | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 217 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
I still have the Kable 4006, The Cumberland River singers. I love that recording. It's all scratched, but I refuse to throw it away. It was a hit here in the City. Their shows would be packed every Sunday. I think I will ask Victoria Hawkins if she has a copy so I can record it. | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
I'll see if I can add anything to Flynny's listing. (BTW, I think all of the 45s I have are on a pinkish/purple label. If anyone wants scans, shout.) Although my love of Detroit music tends to centre on the city's blues and gospel music, I'd be happy to contribute where I feel I can add something to SDF. Seems like a friendly and interesting place to hang out... | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 78 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Thanks for those additions Flynny. BLJ I have a release date of January 1961 for the JJ Barnes' 45 and guess the others follow, but have no proof. I would appreciate any master numbers from the gospel 45s you have. The label was owned by the late Fred Brown. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 79 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Thanks for the link, David. | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 4 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Hi Sis The Cumberlands were an excellent group - legendary Hastings Street producer Joe von Battle recorded 2 78s on them in 1953 (on the King subsidiary label DeLuxe). Wonderful (rare) records but you can hear them on an Ace CD "Best Of King Gospel". Did you see the Cumberlands? Still around? How about the Mid-South Singers or the Detroit Harmonettes (female group)? Acoolcat - I'll post all the matrix info I have. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 151 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
Bjl How do you rate that Ace Gospel cd? As I dig deeper into the subject of sixties Detroit, I find dotted lines everywhere to Jazz/Gospel/Blues and would welcome your input via the forum. I take it you know of Rick Beall's site. I'll dig it out if you don't. BTW which current cd's can you recommend on your chosen subject? | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 80 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
BJL (sorry I mis-typed your initials incorrectly) I would love to see scans of any 45s you have. I don't suppose you have a D-Town (Devotional Series) 45 numbered 205, do you? | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 218 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
BJL - Yes, I saw the Cumberlands perform on numerous occasions. I don't know if they are still here with us, but I can find out, as well as the other two groups you named. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 152 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
There a lot of Detroit Gospel 45's for sale on Ebay right now (at motorcitymusic). Approximately from 19th May. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayIS API.dll?ViewListedItems&userid =motorcitymusic&sort=2&page=1& rows=5000&since=-1&rdir=0 | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
David - I recommend the Ace CD 100%. I should declare an interest though - I helped out a bit with it and loaned Ace several 78s and LPs for the CD and booklet. Sadly CD reissues of vintage gospel are few and far between but recent CD sby Tommy Ellison & The Singing Stars, the Violinaires (another Detroit group), Dixie Hummingbirds, the Caravans, Rev Charlie Jackson are some of my current favourites. I did see the eBay 45s last night, but I guess now that everyone knows about them, they'll go sky-high (smile) Acoolcat - I'll get the scans done too. I have some of the D-Town gospel 45s, the Staples/Stapleton Singers, the Meditations - what's #205? Sis - I would LOVE to hear any memories of these gospel shows. Did you have a camera ;-) Are you familiar with any of the great Detroit preachers? Apart from Rev CL, there were Rev H R Jelkes, Rev M Larry Franklin, Rev Rimson, Rev C L Moore, Bro Will Hairston (the "Alabama Bus" man). Rev James Lofton and others I can't call to mind right now. Somebody shout when this all gets too off topic! | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 81 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
BJL The reason I asked is that I don't know if number 205 actually exists. The label numbers I have noted jump from 204 to 206. I see you refer to the Stapleton Singers - on those ebay items the 45s show them credited simply as the Staple Singers (label numbers 204 and 206). | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 6 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Acoolcat - haven't seen the eBay 45s you're talking about, but I definitely have one D-Town credited to the Stapleton Singers (and yes, it is the Staples). Can't remember which one it is except that I'm almost certain it isn't "Bedside Of A Neighbor". I will have a look tonight and post a scan (if that's OK). | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 82 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
BJL Here's a link to D-Town 204... http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBa yISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3 06&item=4014456507 And here's 206... http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBa yISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3 06&item=4014456987 | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Well, it looks like there must have been two pressings of #206 - I assume that the one on eBay is a second (corrected) pressing. I'll try and scan the other pressing later on today. | ||
BJL (bjl) 1-Arriviste Username: bjl Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 62.253.64.7 |
I've pulled out these Kable gospel 45s I found: EW 4008 Morning Doves: Come Out The Wilderness (A)/I Love The Lord (B) "Archer" stamped in dead wax. Produced by Fred Brown. Kable Records Detroit Michigan WA 1-2454  EW 4009 The Heart Touchers: I Am Your Child (A)/Holy Ghost (B) "Archer" stamped in dead wax. Produced by F Brown. Brohun Pub BMI. Same 'phone number. EW-4011 Royal Aires - Lansing Mich: Light Of Mine (A)/Keep On Working (B) Produced by F Brown. No "Archer", pub or 'phone number. I have some more somewhere I think, but hope this helps. I hope it's OK to post a scan of one side of #4008 - if anyone wants more, then let me know. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 290 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.200.66 |
Flynny: Why haven't you also listed J.J. Barnes' Ring 101 record: "Poor Unfortunate Me"/She Ain't Ready". It has a master number between two later Mickay's records the last Mel Anton, and "Lonely No More" by J.J. It's another Fred Brown/Joe Hunter label, and I believe it was operating at the same time as the last several Mickay's Records. I always thought it was a subsidiary of Mickay's. BJL: I'd like to see scans of all your Kable Records. I wonder if Fred Brown's primary interest was his gospel line, rather than his secular productions with J.J. and Orthe(i)a Barnes, Mel Anton, The Legends, The Del-Fis (Del-Phis), Leon Peterson, and The Checkers? | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 83 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
Thanks for the label scan and info, BLJ. I know JJ Barnes was singing in church before he recorded his Kable 45. JJ's disc has James Hendrix credited as one of the writers. Mr Hendrix owned the Carrie label, and was also involved in the church. He released some gospel 45s on his label, which I guess you know about. Fred Brown was a mailman. "Brohun" stands for BROwn and HUNter - Mr. Brown's partner, Joe Hunter, the famed Funk Brother and arranger. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 292 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.18.77 |
James Hendrix was a Reverend of a Church, in in Nashville, where his Carrie label was headquartered. He was brought up on Church music, and that's how he got started in the music business. He held jobs in Churches as organ and piano player, choir director and Gospel songwriter for his choirs. He started writing music in 1939 in Nashville, and commuted from Nashville to Detroit from 1940-1959. In 1959, he relocated to Detroit, and stayed there through 1967. Soon after moving there, he met Cornell Blakely, Ted Fowler and guitarist Billy Davis (NOT Roquel-who worked at Anna and Chess). They had all been involved in Church music, but wanted to branch into secular music. Hendrix started into secular music through writing for Blakely and managing him, and writing for others. He then formed his Carrie label. Fowler did some producing for him. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 84 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
BJL I think Archer started pressing 45s around 1965; perhaps other here on the forum can give an exact date. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1071 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Where can one find the J.J. Barnes song? I've only learned of this song through discographies. What style does he sing the song in??? | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 86 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Juicefree It was included on a Goldmine CD - The Groovesville Masters, which is a double CD compilation of JJ's cuts. Unfortunately it doesn't include any of his Mickay's recordings. And this Kable 45 wasn't a Groovesville recording; Goldmine simply included it because Don Davis was involved. "Won't You Let Me Know" is a Rock 'n' Roll styled uptempo song, while the flip is slower. You probably know it was also released on the Rich label. Joe Hunter told me it got a lot of attention at the time of its release. JJ is singing in a vibrant, spiritual style compaed to his later, natural, Marvin Gaye-esque 60's discs on Mickay's, Ric-Tic, Groovesville, etc'. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 5-Doyen Username: sis Post Number: 224 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.211.240 |
Robb_K - Here is my contribution regarding Billy Davis.  | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 297 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.20.172 |
It's also nice to hear Martha Reeves (Reeds) and her Del-fi's (Del-Phi's) group backing J.J. up on his Kable record. You can recognise their distinctive voices and style. It seems that they also backed him on his Ring Record, and a few of his Mickay's sides (after they were working for Motown). His Kable Record was from 1961, and sounds a lot older than his later cuts. A Soul fan would probably consider them R&B, and NOT soul. Yes, they are quite "Gospelish". (Message edited by Robb_K on May 25, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1077 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Robb, Thanks for the info regarding the song. I appreciate your help regarding this. Juice | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 63 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
"Won't You Let Me Know" on Kable 437 was released in December 1960 and a review in Billboard issue of 12-26-60, I purchased my copy in January 61, it was leased to Sonny Richboro's Rich label in mid-March 61. this is one of my favorite recordings ever, great guitar playing along with outstanding guitar solo by Don Davis. the record number 437 was picked by label owner Fred Brown because he played the street numbers and just before this record was pressed he hit with that number so he used it on his 1st release. the J.J. Barnes record on the Ring label has been mentioned, and while Fred produced it the Ring label was owned by Armen Boladian who financed the recording and pressing while operating "Record Distributors" as most Detroit distributors would do from time to time, the master of this recording is still property of Armen. also the label name of MicKays comes from a record store operating on 14th St. owned by Mickey Stevenson and Fred's wife Kay Brown. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 298 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.180.199 |
Thanks for the additional info, Ron. Do you know if there were any other records released on Ring? | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 88 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Hi Ron, I'm not sure about the Mickey Stevenson connection; Fred and Kate's son is Michael - and Michael told me that's where the name of the label came from. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1080 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Ron, I guess that would be Mr Boldian of Westbound Records?? Hmm, interesting how everything in Detroit seems to have so many common threads. By the way Ron, could you update the Robert Winters thread? I had a question for you there. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Juice | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 64 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
when I interviewed Fred Brown that's what he said,I did tape that meeting,so that's what I was going by. | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 89 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Ron, I'l check the tape I have of that interview you did. But I'm sure Joe Hunter told me the same thing. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 157 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
Ron I love that record too. It struck me that it was perhaps ahead of it's time as it didn't sound "dated" for want of a better word. | ||
Flynny (anoraks_corner) 3-Pundit Username: anoraks_corner Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.135.132.185 |
Armen Boladian...would love to learn more about his music biz life prior to Westbound...worth a new thread...feel free to start one off someone!  | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1090 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
ATTENTION ACOOLCAT!!!! I meant to thank you for the info regarding J.J. Barnes. Your help on the matter is greatly appreciated!!! Thank you very much! Juice | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 93 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
Juice It's my pleasure. JJ recorded a similar sounding song to "Won't You Let Me Know," titled, "So Far Away." Have you heard that one? It was released on the Mickay's label, c. 1962. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 303 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.31.215 |
Flynny: Someone will probably start an Armen Boladian thread, but just very briefly: Boladian owned his own label, Fascination, which ran from the early-mid '50s, through much of the '60s. There was a thread on that label on Old SD Forum, which we should be able to find in The Archives. It had a very thorough discography of the label, including that of the related label, Osiris. Armen also participated in songwriting and some record producing. His name appears on credits for songs on Thelma Records with Don Davis, K.O. Records, with Norman Whitfield, and a host of other Detroit labels. As Ron mentioned above, he also financed many independent productions. His Bridgeport Music, also participated in publishing music of a lot of other Detroit labels' productions (including "Mr Bus Driver" by David Ruffin, on The Billy Davis-run Check-Mate), and several of other noteworthy production groups. (Message edited by Robb_K on May 26, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1119 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Coolcat!! No, I don't believe that I've heard that one either. I'm going to have to check for that one. I have a lot of his music from Groovesville forward. Those very early 60s songs have proven elusive. Thanks again C.C.!! | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 94 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Juice, drop me a line at... acooolcat@yahoo.com and I'll sort you something out. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 1123 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
C.C. Thanks much! I appreciate the offer & the gesture!! Juice | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 304 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.193.100 |
Speaking of Armen Boladian, he was one of the writers along with Don Davis on a very nice Detroit song written by the Thelma writers in 1962 or 1963, called "Lonesome Native Girl". It was recorded by The Shirelles, and released on one of their 1963 albums. I can hear "Detroit" in it, but the Shirelles sort of made "NY Brill Building" out of it, if you know what I mean. For 40 years now, I've been searching for a Detroit girls group "orignal recording of it" (i.e. perhaps it was recorded by The Sonettes of K.O., or some girls group on Thelma). It has a great melody, and I'm sure that with a more soulful vocal and Thelma-style Detroit production, it would have been a "killer" recording. Graham, Ron, or any of you Detroit experts, can you tell me if it was recorded first by a Detroit group or solo artist? Does anyone have contact with Don Davis' son, or Armen Boladian (if he's still with us)? (Message edited by Robb_K on May 26, 2004) (Message edited by Robb_K on May 26, 2004) | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 95 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.225 |
Hi Robb I've spoken to Don, and his brother Will (I didn't know Don had a son), but we didn't discuss the KO 45s. I've also interviewed Armen, thanks to Ron. We had an all-morning breakfast a couple of years ago, but Armen wasn't really involved in the creation of the music. He mainly handled distribution, etc'. The Sonettes' 45s on KO were aimed at being Shirelles' songs. Willie Kendrick, who wrote one of those songs, told me that Armen was hoping to get the Shirelles to record it - Armen was handling their label in Detroit at the time. But it never happened. I guess "Lonesome Native Girl" is one that he did manage to broker for Don Davis. I'd like to hear it. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 309 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.201.245 |
Thanks, Graham. Armen was credited as one of the writers on "Lonesome Native Girl", and if I remember correctly, the original publishing on it was Thelma-Bridgeport, meaning that Boladian shared rights with Thelma because he was a co-writer(along with someone named Ash, and other Thelma writers), or because he was NOT actually a writer, but shared the rights as part of his cut for brokering the song to Scepter and The Shirelles. If he wasn't really involved in the creative end of the business, then all his writing credits must represent his cuts of deals brokering songs and acting as a middle man in sending artists to labels who signed them up. Is that a fair assessment? I assume that "Lonesome Native Girl" is on some Shirelles CD, but I don't have any. My copy of the album isn't here in L.A. (Which is why I can't be sure of ALL the writers). It's either with my stock in Den Haag or Chicago. I'm leaving for Holland in a few days, so I'll check when I get there. If it's there, I'll pop it onto a tape with some other cuts from my stuff there, and send it to you. If not, I'll send you a tape of it, and a few other things, when I return to USA in November. The Sonnett(e)s' song that Willie Kendricks co-wrote was also credited to Don Davis and Boladian. It was "Hit And Run Lover". Boladian was listed last, so he may have been added for part of his cut for financing K.O. Records. Don Davis must have produced that record K.O. 0002. The other K.O. Record was produced by Norman Whitfield, but neither Davis' nor Boladian's name appears on it. It's also interesting to note that the music publishing company on Norman Whitfield's Sonnettes' K.O. Record is "C-ASH". Perhaps someone named Ash was a partner with Boladian in K.O. Records. Maybe he got some of his cut by getting full publishing revenue on ONE of the two Sonnettes' records. Valid Music was the other publisher. Maybe Valid was owned by Boladian, and Boladian couldn't use Bridgeport, because he wasn't the only owner of Bridgeport Music? In any case, someone named Ash was credited as a writer on "Lonesome Native Girl", and I've NEVER seen Ash credited as a writer on any other Detroit record. So, maybe "Lonesome Native Girl" was written by Thelma writers, but brokered by the Boladian/Ash K.O. partnership, and that's why Ash also got a cut through the music publishing? It might be something you can ask Don the next time you talk to him. But we should definately ask Ron if he remembers anyone named Ash. Also,...."Lonesome Native Girl" was a Thelma song. So, I still can't help thinking that a demo of it might have been cut by some Thelma girls group or single artist (with female back-ups). Have you asked Don whom they used most often for male and female Demos? (Message edited by Robb_K on May 26, 2004) (Message edited by Robb_K on May 26, 2004) | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 96 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.227 |
BMI's site credits the writers of "Lonesome Native Girl" as Ash Curtis, Armen, Thelma Gordy, and Richard Street. It is solely Thelma Publishing. I don't know who Ash Curtis is - but on my Sonnettes disc (I've Gotten Over You b/w Teardrops) it gives publishing as C-ASH Music. The label also states "Prod. by Thelma," and as you know, both songs were written by Norman Whitfield. Yes, your assessment about Armen is right. That was standard practice back then. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 310 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.181.41 |
Thanks Graham. Please read again my last post that you just answered, as I was posting a few additional questions to it in editing mode, when you answered that same post. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 164 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
BJL This looks like the cd you refer too? http://www.acerecords.co.uk/go trt/2003/jan03/cdchd873.html | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
That's the one. Only one Detroit group, the Cumberland River Singers (the group on Kable) but some stunning recordings by some of the best groups of the "golden age" - Swan's Silvertones, Sensational Nightingales and the Spirit of Memphis (whose Silas Steele may be my favourite singer ever). If you ever see an LP on the UK Heritage label ("Detroit Gospel") then grab it with both hands - more prime tracks by the Flying Clouds, Evangelist Singers, Jewel GS, Detroit Harmonettes... (BTW: David, I'm having trouble posting more label scans to the list - could you or another moderator contact me offlist? Thanks.) | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 21 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 62.252.64.14 |
As requested, here are scans of the other 2 Kable releases I can lay my hands on right now. Flynny, you can add this to your listing: Kable 4007 Heart Touchers "Payday Is Coming After A While"/"I've Been Down So Long". I played #4008 (Morning Doves) again and realise that this series must date from the mid-'60s on. "I Love The Lord" is based on the Impressions' "It's Alright" from '63 and the opening guitar part on the other side seems to based on the riff on JB's "There Was A Time" from '67 (unless they both came from another, earlier record).   (Message edited by bjl on May 27, 2004) | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 314 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.29.193 |
Thanks for the scans, BJL. Yes, I would be interested in seeing scans of the 78s also. By the way, I assume that The Detroit Harmonettes were the same group as The Gospel Harmonettes that recorded for Motown on Tamla and Their "Divinity" Label. Do you know if that is true? Graham: Ash Curtis should have had a comma seoparating. It should read Curtis Ash. I'm sure Ash was his last name, as it was listed as "Ash" on "Lonesome Native Girl". I assume that he was the co-financier of K.O., with Boladian; and he received the publishing rights on The Norman Whitfield-produced Sonnettes record, as part of his return. He may have had a financing partnership with Boladian that allowed him to get writer's credit along with Boladian on "Lonesome Native Girl". | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 22 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 62.253.64.7 |
Robb - not sure about the Detroit/Gospel Harmonettes link. What background do you have on the Tamla/Divinity group. The "Harmonettes" name was pretty popular with Dorothy Love Coates' group the (Original) GH the best known. I can tell you that the DH group on group is an outstanding a capella female group. I'll check the 78 for writer credits later on and scan it too. | ||
BJL (bjl) 2-Debutant Username: bjl Post Number: 25 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 217.205.87.151 |
Just checked the DeLuxe 78 and the writer credits just say "Detroit Harmonettes". However, Laughton/Hayes list a personnel of "? Scott, ? Slater, ? Bailey, Irly Bailey". There's probably more information in the notes to the Heritage "Detroit Gospel" LP but my copy is packed away. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 330 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.201.217 |
Sorry, BJL. Senility is moving in. I must have had "A Senior Moment". The Gospel Harmonettes were not on Tamla (I got The Gospel Stars mixed up there). I DO think I remember seeing a single of theirs on Divinity, with Dorothy Love Coates with the writing credits. But, I can't be sure now, as that was in the late 1960s. It might have been on The Divinity release list, which I saw at Motown in the early 1970s. But, if that were the case, I wonder why it isn't on my Divinity Discography that I pieced together from a few sources. On the other hand, I didn't photocopy the list at Motown, nor did I take down notes by hand from it, so I may just have forgotten to complete that discography (as it, and Workshop Jazz weren't as important to me as Motown, Tamla, Gordy, Soul, VIP, Miracle and Mel-O-Dy). Maybe Ron Murphy or John Lester or someone else with "complete" Motown discographies can help us here. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 110 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Robb - There's a Divinity 45 by The Gospel Stars; Give God a Chance / Have You Any Time For Jesus It's number 99006, released around 1963, I think. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 333 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.16.81 |
Thanks Graham. I have that Gospel Stars record. I still think I remember seeing a Gospel Harmonettes record on Divinity with Dorothy Love Coates as writer. But I can't be sure, as it was almost 40 years ago. That stuck in my mind, but sometimes the mind plays tricks. Also, I may only be remembering it from a list. Singles may have been scheduled for Divinity that were never pressed. I believe that a second single by Liz Lands may fall into that category. |
