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  Satipe (satipe) 2-Debutant Username: satipe Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.50.137.38 |
I just listened to two new songs that will be on the next cd by The Temptations called "Legacy". Both sound like old men trying to be like today's sound which they should not do. The Tempts had a sound of their own even after changes in their personal line-up up to when Melvin died! I watched the Temptations on Motown 45 and it made me sad as they were awful. There have been about 20 Tempts with Otis being the only original and then four other guys. Other singers from the group have their Temptations group as well with a different name but Temptation being hi-lighted. Is the current Temptations group a fake even though Otis is there? Are the other Temptations Salute type groups fake as they have one former member with four other guys? I love The Tempts but I am getting confused as there are many Tempts groups out there which in my eyes is making them like The Drifters, Coasters, etc. With one original member for the group but other groups performing under the same with former singers... When can a group be put to rest? | ||
hitsville chalky (roy) 1-Arriviste Username: roy Post Number: 1 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 82.37.215.13 |
 youve got to move on with the times.iam too into 60s detroit soul and no you cant beat it.i meet the temps eveytime they come to the uk .but yove got to give credit to otis hes kept the group going on over the years but hes done what the others havent prove they arent just a yesterday act and keep recording new sounds and still winning grammy awards look at the single "stay " how many weeks was that in the charts.just like they say in the film TEMPS FOREVER. | ||
K-Bee (kbee) 2-Debutant Username: kbee Post Number: 26 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 129.142.211.170 |
I kinda like the more recent temptations stuff as well. Obviously it is not the same group as back then but "Phoenix Rising" in particular showed that they're still a force to be reckoned with. I'll admit the "Awesome" album wasn't excatly awesome at all but it's still in a different league than most of the other so-called soul music coming out today. The members may be all new but it's not like we've haven't seen changes in the The Tempts line-up before. Also, Ron Tyson is still there (I hope LOL) and he's been in the group for over 20 years now. I'm looking forward to "Legacy"...bet it's gonna be good. | ||
Treble Clef (treble_clef) 2-Debutant Username: treble_clef Post Number: 26 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.252.200 |
Although it seems that Otis is hard to work for and work with. If he is a problem to work with then he should swallow his pride, ego, and lighten up and ask Dennis, Ali, and Richard Street back to the group along with him and Ron Tyson. I think that would be a dynamic line-up and the group would gain there credibility back a little cause you have valid members that made hits in Tempts history with that "dream line-up" that I stated. I hope Ali and Dennis can sing bass and help out that part of the harmony. If not Harry was not bad. But I say Otis should get Dennis, Ali, Richard, Ron, and Himself to be the Tempts forever | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 2-Debutant Username: paladin Post Number: 29 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
Satipe, I agree that The Tempts appearence on M45 was tired. They were relagated to the middle of the show and the producers could have had them join the Supremes for a throwback to their glory days, especially with the recent release of their TCB/Joined together CD. How could Motown not put two of the greatest groups in the world together ? However I would not say that this collection of Temptations is fake. They are what they are and they continue to persevere in spite of all the adversity that comes their way. Most of us die hard Tempt fans have endured some great and not so great line-ups of Tempts from David Ruffin, Dennis (twice), Ali Woodson (twice), Barrington, Theo Peoples and now GC Cameron. I wont go into the tenors, bass and baritone singers who seem to go through a revolving door. Dennis, Ali & Richard had their greatest claim to fame as Temptations and are responsible for some of the best music of our lives. I won't call them or their groups fake Temptations either because I dont believe that is appropriate. Its amazing how we as human beings are resistant to change yet always clamor for something new. I have never heard of David Ruffin or Eddie Kendricks or Dennis being called fake Temptations. They are what they are. They are (were) universally identified as Temptations and thats how they'll be viewed forever. Its like a blessing and a curse. "Temptations Forever". I had reservations about GC Cameron being able to fill his Temptation shoes until I caught them live and they went way, way back, singing songs from their first three albums all the way up to Stay. When I first heard their new song Fifty-Fifty Love, I was not impresssed but after repeated listenings I caught the groove and the song smokes, the classic harmony is still intact. The album is due to drop on June 8, and you get bet your last money (sorry Don C) that I'll be first in line to pick it up..... my hats off to Mr. Williams, Mr. Henderson, Mr. Tyson, Mr. Weeks and Mr. Cameron......Temptations Forever. Oh yeah the Tempts were dressed in the same outifts as the photo that was posted above when I saw them about six months ago. They are appearing in Las vegas in mid June and I just might catch a flight. PS: I did not broach the subject of fake groups but I dont want to give you the impression that I overlooked one of your points. Although most of the guys you mentioned should appear as "formerly of the Temptations", since there is rampant abuse in the industry, however Dennis appears to be doing pretty well with his Temptation review. (nuff said) Kdub | ||
Don (don) 5-Doyen Username: don Post Number: 181 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.164.103 |
Satipe, I've seen Dennis and his Temptations Review and sound like The Tempts of old. A friend that works at a club here told me that Ollie Ali Woodson's Emperials of Soul sounds are off the chain. The last two CD FOR LOVERS ONLY and PHONIX RISING we're the best and as well we're their last. Talking abouy Otis should ask Dennis, Richard or even Ali back into the lineup. I think Ray Davis (formerly of P-Funk) was a excellent choice for Mevin's spot, as he sanged with them for a brief stint. I think Shelly and Otis should ask themselfs "What's Going On". | ||
hitsville chalky (roy) 1-Arriviste Username: roy Post Number: 2 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 82.37.215.13 |
yes i agree it would be good if otis,ali,dennis,richard would all get back together but a friend of mine who speaks to ali confirms otis asked ali to rejoin the group before they brought gc in ali refused and states no way will he ever rejoin because cant forgive what they did to melvin just before he passed away.i agree with other temps fans above there new stuff is pretty good but also alis solo cd is good too along with bos cd.any way no matter who or has been a temptation there music will live on. | ||
zebop (zebop) 3-Pundit Username: zebop Post Number: 41 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I'm probably the only person in the world who wasn't crazy about either "For Lovers Only" or "Phoenix Rising", they both lacked something for me. That being said, I'm glad for the new changes. This editon of the group seems to really like one another--something I haven't seen from the Tempts in years. | ||
Greg C. (greg_c) 2-Debutant Username: greg_c Post Number: 22 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 165.247.29.84 |
Regarding the picture on this posting of the Temptations in those awful raincoat looking outfits. Can anyone identify the gentleman in the center of the photo between Ron Tyson & G.C. Cameron? Apparently he replaced Harry Mc Gilberry who along with Barrington is no longer in the group. He was also on the M45 Special. I've always loved the Temptations but at this juncture of their career, they have become so stale! I'm looking forward to hearing the forthcoming "Legacy" in it's entirety, which is set for a June 8th release. I hope it's strong. I'm still behind the fellows. | ||
zebop (zebop) 3-Pundit Username: zebop Post Number: 42 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Hey Greg, his name is Joe Herndon. He was in Glenn Leonard's group. | ||
Satipe (satipe) 2-Debutant Username: satipe Post Number: 14 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 65.50.137.38 |
I'd like to respond tonight... First to Hitsville, Melvin was never mistreated so your friend who is telling you this is wrong. I knew Melvin and he was forced out of the group due to his health. Matters after he died are legal ones that occur over money. I miss Melvin. As well, I don't like the picture of them you have posted as they look like bees. I respect a great deal what you wrote to my original note and thank you! KDub, their performance was actually taped a day before the actual Motown 45 as they had a concert commitment that night. My hats are off to them as well as I hope the new cd does well. To everyone else, yes each former Tempts group will sound good but when you have 15 former members who sounded good in the first place. There are so many Tempts, Tempts Revue, Tempts Show, formerly of the Tempts, etc. that it gets hard to recognize a fake group. Richard Street, Glenn Leonard, Damon Harris, Ali Woodson and Dennis Edwards all market themselves as former Temptations. That makes six Tempts groups out there, each competing against each other! In the end, there is only one original member and he never sang lead on any hit but he has a group. Five other groups and all are real Tempts groups because someone sang with them? I'm going to try and call Ringo tonight to reform the Beatles...Satipe, Eddie, Bobby and Ringo. | ||
hitsville chalky (roy) 1-Arriviste Username: roy Post Number: 3 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 82.37.215.13 |
hi satipe cheers for the replay i do know melvin wasnt mistreated and was forced out due to health problems but it was then when something happend what ali didnt like.i do know alot of former temps dont get on with otis and shelly burger i spoke to ali last year when he stayed at my friends house when he peformed over here. i must admit i find otis and the new guys havent got alot of time for the fans when over here they only have a couple of minutes then they up and leave i know they are busy but the other guys eg ali richard dennis they will spend all night chatting about the good old days.anyway i havent seen motown 45 has its not been shown in the uk yet did any one recorded the show iam willing to buy a copy if they have.TEMPS FOREVER | ||
Gil (gil) 2-Debutant Username: gil Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 192.44.136.113 |
Satipe...that was a funny post! You need to drop either Eddie or Bobby and add me to "The Beatles". I know every song! | ||
Kdubya (paladin) 3-Pundit Username: paladin Post Number: 35 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 206.185.64.23 |
Thanks Z bop, I wrote Henderson instead of Herndon....my bad. Satipe like I said you have vaild points and your opinion is much appreciated. Since I have been on this Temptation Train since their inception, I realize that I cannot be fooled. I have attended live shows of all the various incarnations of Temptations and though I've seen Ali Woodson Live, I have yet to see his group. Otis is still banging and thats good. I thought their cd Awesome was not up to par. I thought For Lovers Only (with Ray Davis) was a true throwback CD where the Tempts went back and found their chops. They have some of the most incredible "Temptation" harmonies I have ever heard on that Cd, its like their nineties version of "Mellow Mood" great production too. Theo and Ali were outsatanding as was Ron Tyson on "What a Difference a Day Makes" if he wasn't channeling Eddie Kendricks on that song, then Grits aint groceries, eggs aint poultry and Mona Lisa was a man. Melvin Franklin had an intro where he sang "I am Blue because you said you love me " that still sends chills up my spine everytime I hear it. I have seen Dennis' Tempt review several times and they are holding their own, their live album Tempts at San Pablo was just OK.....but I guess we are all lucky just to have these guys doing what they do.......Paul, Eddie, David & Melvin have to be pleased that what they started is still here and we are still talking about them one way or the other, the greatest vocal group of all time..............and the band played on.... PS: The greatest Temptation line-up I ever saw was back in 1983 with the Reunion Tour : David, Dennis,Eddie,Glenn,Richard, Otis & Melvin...Temptations Forever. | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 5-Doyen Username: wonder_b Post Number: 341 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.51.46.126 |
I won't go into the debate but I'd like to balance those horrible banana-yellow-outfits with some raspberry-rose-ones... and with my favourite line up too... LOL  Wonder B If you mess with the 'fro, you gotta go! |
