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zaya (isaiah)
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Reading Kev-Lo's thread on the Van Dyke's, and some of the subsequent commentary, it made me realize just how encompassing the sound of Curtis Mayfield and the Impressions has really been...

Like Kev-Lo, Juice, RobbK, and many others at this site(Don), I am a lover of the Chicago Soul of the 1960's, and believe it far more influential than Motown, which had it's own un-duplicable sound... when thinking of the Delfonics, Stylistics, Continental Four, Johnny and the Expressions, the Mad Lads, and so forth, I think of how powerfully influential Curtis Mayfield's sound was to those groups, as well as, to the Esquires, and others...

In light of that, it seems we come up wanting in a true evaluation of what Curtis Mayfield meant to the sound of the 1960's... He appears to me as a one-man gang in battle against the Motown behemoth, and loses out only because of the Behemoth's larger catalogue, and press machine... In reality, though, I believe his influence, if not his volume, was far more influential to other acts, including the Philadelphia International Records groups, than was Motown... Every Soul-Neo DooWop group of the '60's and '70's seems to owe their inspiration to this Gentle Genius of Soul, Mr. Curtis Mayfield...

Peace!
Isaiah
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john dixon (john_dixon)
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Good post and an intriguing topic, Isaiah, but you left out an entire genre of music that was heavily influenced by Curtis:REGGAE. Curtis is the single most influential American musical artist on what is now considered to be reggae's classic era.

The vocal ensemble sound of Curtis Mayfield & the Impressions was more influential on that burgeoning scene than all of Motown. One of my Trojan boxsets ($16 for 50 songs!) covers the Rocksteady era and that, particularly, is where you can here a direct influence. It's also well documented that Bob Marley, Peter Tosh and Bunny Livingston were emulating the Impressions' sound with the Wailers in the nascent days of reggae.
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GO_GET_GONE_GIRL (gogogirl)
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Hey All,

Hey zaya. You know how I feel about Mr. Curtis "Amen", Mayfield. I Loved Him!

I'll holla back w/some 'moe later.

Ironically - I was just thinking about playing some of his songs this morning - but I gots to go. LOL! I'll load him up when I return.

Have a good one folks.
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Manny (manny)
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Hello soulful friends!

Hello, Zach's Fanfare a/k/a Zaya! (smile!)
Good thread! Soul is sensibility in a 99%. And if somebody is the sensibility in person, this person was Curtis.

Your post made me try for heard all my favorite Curtis Mayfield's tunes... But I got it majoritary in vynil and i don't have headphones for the turntable (as allways, the childrens don't stop to disturbing!!). I plays the little I have on CD in the computer with the headphones: "Curtis" and a Curtis compilation, "Soul Music" (from "Billy Jack" to "Homeless").
I discovered the Curtis music with his delicate and intimist "Never Say Can't You Survive". His falsetto and the spanish-flavored guitar, especially in "Sparkle", captivated me so strong that I search one more vynil by another (very hard in Spain in the 70's!!). The next was "Something To Belive In" and "Got To Find Away". This last I finded it in a popular market, in a very underground place where midle of toys, electrodomestic pieces, etc, with the owner of this particular "store" sitting reading the newspaper above the merchandise, i see the LP "Got To Find Away" in very acceptable state!
Of course, after I was wondering for his previous records and acquired some Impressions material and some other Curtis vynils. I think Curtis was seminal in many aspects as the introduction of latin elements in the doowoop style ( I think in Impression's "At The County Of Fair" intro). Also the lyrics, especially as a solo artist in 70's is simply poetry and sometimes high social-conciousness. Some of my favorite Jerry Butler's 60's hits were write by Curtis ("I'm Telling You"!! what a feeling!!).
Also can be considered as a funk pioner: "Future Shock". Also a gospel master: "Amen" by Impressions and his solo version in the "Something To Believe In" album.
And we can't forget his facet as talent-scouting and label owner ("Curtom"). Or another facet, as composser of Films Sountracks ("Superfly", "Claudine") or producer (Aretha, Impressions, Five Stairsteps).
Finally, if we believe in the words of many other artists he was a humble person that aided to others to pursue his particular success as linda Clifford or Gene Chandler...

A great poet, musician and person. Curtis (RIP), i can't concieve the existence without "SPARKLE". Thanks very much.

Peace & Soul Food
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Manny, I must say you responded and summed it all up.
Curtis was helluva~writer~producer~singer ~musician. This Man could write a song and make you feel every word.
Everytime I play his "New World Order" CD, I get tears in my eyes, just knowing he was lying on his back singing the songs on this CD.
He was a real Fighter 'til the end, and left us with a "New World Order"...
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We all know of Curtis' greatness. In my mind, what really differentiated Curtis' music from Motown was that Curtis wrote many songs in a social context. At a time when few were singing songs of social import, Curtis was saying: "People Get Ready, There's A Train-A-Comin'." Curtis had the soul of an activist. In fact, one could argue that Curtis WAS a civil rights activist, who just happened to make great music.

Although he could write party songs & love songs, Curtis helped artists to understand that there were some serious issues that needed to be addressed. While we all like to party & make love, Curtis sang of issues that were larger than that. Curtis wrote songs about striving for equality, love & peace. Curtis was like the conscience of Soul music. He wrote songs that in the context of those times, no one else was addressing. After awhile, we began to hear more of these songs of social relevance.

He also tried to raise the esteem & awareness of Blacks when he wrote songs such as: Keep On Pushing, We're A Winner, Miss Black America. As a Black child growing up in the ghetto in the 60s, I can recall that most of the folks that I knew, walked just a little straighter with their heads held just a little higher. Only Curtis & James were talking about Black pride. I don't recall any others who voiced this as forcefully as they did in those days. He even tackled the drug issue that was afflicting so many of America's ghettos, with his epic "Superfly" soundtrack.

It took Motown YEARS before they addressed matters such as this. And only after much kicking & screaming, did they enter the fray. That's no knock on Motown, that's just the way that it was. However, somebody had to step up & to his eternal credit & our benefit, Curtis did it & did it in Spades. AND....he did it with quiet dignity, elegance & grace. In those days of suppossed Black inferiority, that was no small thing!

Once could argue that Curtis was BLACK america's most important songwriter ever. I don't know too many people who could argue against him!

Juice

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It was an honor and a privelege to have known Curtis Mayfield personally.

I'll never forget that day in 1976 when I flew to Chicago to his studio and we both sat on high stools in the middle of his studio with our guitars in hand, and I proceeded to show him some of my songs for up and coming projects

I cant begin to tell you what a thrill that was.

I only regret not having my camera available for that momentous occasion.

subsequently, I wound up producing several acts for Curtom including Gavin Christopher and Ava Cherry, as well of playing on a lot of sessions for him.

R.I.P. Curtis... Your are the blueprint and the templete for soul itself and a voice of the people.
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I can't speak for his work after 1972 or so, as I don't know it. But he was definitely one of the all-time great group leaders, writers and producers. Isaiah, GoGo Girl, Medusa and Manny, youve made the point well.

I believe that he WASN'T a one man gang taking on the machine at Motown, simply because he, himself was the initiator of a new sound in Chicago, which DID rival the Detroit sound. Through his work with The Impressions and Jerry Butler, he started a style movement in Chicago. Carl Davis, first with Berniece Williams and Bunky Sheppard at Lasgal Productons, and later at Okeh and Brunswick picked it up. And, of course, Johnny Pate was influenced a lot through working directly with him for a long time. Bunky later changed his own style to incorporate a lot of Curtis' style. Billy Davis did the same at Chess. Chuck Colbert, Bob Catron, Clarence Johnson, Johnny Cameron, Barry Despenza, Sebons Foster, Gerald Sims, Karl Tarlton, Calvin Carter, Carl Smith, Willie Henderson, Tom Tom Washington, Floyd Smith, Billy McGregor, Johnny Jones,Ted Daniels, Tony Daniel, Jack Daniels, Claude Johnson, James Shelton, Carl Jones, Leroy Dandridge, etc. all were influenced by him. Even Monk Higgins, Leonard Caston, Gene Barge, and Donny Hathaway, with much different styles, incorporated a lot of what he started into their work. Even Sonny Sanders, Andre Williams, McKinley Jackson, Barrett Strong, and others whose backgrounds from Detroit had a lot of the Detroit feel, picked up the "Chicago Sound" that he started and nurtured, and incorporated that into their Chicago recordings. Artists like Jerry and Billy Butler, Gene Chandler, Major Lance, Otis Leavill, Jan Bradley, The Opals, Marvelows, Trends, Carltons, Daylighters, Donald & Delighters, Walter Jackson, Wade Flemons, Barbara Green, and too many others to mention, also owe him a great deal. Even The Dells, got a lot of work, indirectly, thanks to his leading the way in "The Chicago Sound". Together, in Chicago, they developed a soul genre that rivaled that of Motown, during its heyday, and was a little later rivaled by Philadelphia.

To me, during my nostalgic teen years of my primary musical impressions (1959-1966), I looked to Motown for the "powerful" sound of music, and looked to Chicago (Curtis Mayfield, Carl Davis' Jalynne Crew, Bunky Sheppard, Calvin Carter at VJ, and Billy Davis' Crew at Chess) for my sound of "ease and contentment". Those years were also my time living in Chicago. So, when I hear a Curtis Mayfield song from that period, it takes me "back home" to a time of peace and contentment. If I ever get nervous, rattled or agitated, I can put on an Impressions or other Curtis Mayfield written song, and get centered, peaceful, and content.

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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
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Hi Robb!

When I think of early to mid 60s Soul, I think of Motown & Chicago. I think that the image of Curtis as a one-man gang taking on Motown is somewhat fair. In those days of early 60s soul, it was pretty much Motown Vs Chicago when it came to SOUL supremacy. I'm not referring to the R&B/Pop of Atlantic (Drifters, Coasters, Solomon, et.al), the sound of Scepter/Wand(Dionne, Shirelles, Chuck Jackson, Maxine Brown).

In those days, Chicago soul was becoming pre-eminent & Motown was still finding its legs. Those two entities did indeed battle it out & Curtis was responsible in those early days for jump starting many careers (Major Lance, Jan Bradley, etc). A lot of fortunes rode on Curtis' songs & it must have seemed for awhile there that it was Curtis against the world.


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I see your point Juice. I never discounted the importance of Curtis' work to Chicago's music scene. But, saying "If he hadn't been doing what he was doing in Chicago, Chicago soul wouldn't have been nearly as much of a force in music", is like saying "If Berry Gordy hadn't been around, Detroit wouldn't have been such a force." If you're saying he was more important to Chicago than any one writer/producer/artist was to Detroit, I would agree with that. I just don't agree with the people that say that Detroit's wealth of artists, writers and producers was many times greater than Chicago's (that it was a handful of great talents in Chicago against a myriad of talents in Detroit). Detroit had it's talent concentrated so much in one, single company, that its ability to get product to the people was more efficiant. Chicago's talent was scattered, and often had the red tape that goes along with giant "Major" labels, that often gets in the way of creativity and efficiancy in getting product out to the right places. There's no argument here against the fact that Curtis was the most important driving force in shaping Chicago's soul scene from 1962-well into the '70s.



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Hey Robb!!

To be honest, I never really knew much about all of the labels that Detroit had back in those days. As a New Yorker, a lot of those artists were basically unheard here. Aside from Motown & groups like The Dramatics, for the most part, few Detroit artists got huge play here in the 60s & 70s.

We all heard a song or two by J.J. Barnes or The Parliament. In fact, aside from Testify, most of us New Yorkers associate Parliament with their Casablanca days, where they became a monster. The same can be said for The Ohio Players as well, who most of us knew from their Mercury output.

I guess that the regional situation of those days was responsible. Most of the Detroit artists such as Steve Mancha, Robert West, Johnnie Mae Matthews were simply unknown to most of us.

Juice
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zaya (isaiah)
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RobbK, If I've never said this before, let me say it here... You are just one of those folk on this forum that I am in awe of, like Weldon McDougall, SisDetroit, Ralph, Cornbread, Manny, and Medusa...

You're posts up above convince me that I could sit and listen to you rap for hours, not get in a word edgewise, and still be wanting some more... As a man who likes to talk, that is saying a lot!!!(smile!) I respect, respect, respect your mind, RobbK, and though I have posted many things at this forum having to do with race and racism, the thing which stands out for me regardless of one's ethnicity, is how their mind works... As for you, there's never been a post of yours I've read in my entire time at this discussion forum, where I questioned where your head was at... That tells me that you're level-headed and balanced, as well as, intelligent... That is a place I hope to locate one of these ole days...

John Dixon, you're right on... I guess that would make Curtis Mayfield almost universally influential, because Reggae, as a genre, is far larger than R&B across the world... It has swept the continent of Africa, and is LARGE in Brazil, and the entire Caribbean - including the spanish-speaking Caribbean... It probably is supplanting MERENGUE in the Dominican Republic, and Edgar can tell you, that in Panama, it probably is larger than Salsa and Rueben Blades is there...

Yes, the man's sweep is world-wide, and would that he could've known that while he lived... It's ironic, but his version of PEOPLE GET READY comes in third and fourth to some versions I've heard by Bob Marley and Aretha Franklin, yet his is without a doubt, the definitive version... Just hearing that opening guitar riff says it all, says the man was a gentle genius... Even his hard funk stuff connotes a gentleness I cannot describe, like a beautiful counter-balance to those hardcore Chicago horn riffs...

RobbK, you are right to say that he was not "in battle" with Motown so much, as just doing his thing, making his musical contribution... I think that Juice understood the point I was making, which was he "seemed" to be one of those GUYS out there giving Motown some serious competition... Of course, he was not the only one, and James Brown, Sly, and many others were definitely in that mix that influenced a generation... But Curtis influence on all the folks you mentioned, was unlike James's influence on those funk bands, because no one quite did it like James... Everything that following him was a rough facsimile of what he did... However, one can truly hear Curtis influence on the Van Dykes, the Delfonics, the Stylistics, and the Esquires...

Peace!
Isaiah
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Thanks for the kind words, Isiah. I also like to read your posts, as well as so many of the other people on this forum that are interested in sincere dialogue, not just talking to hear themselves talk.

I've learned a lot here, including the revelation that Curtis had a large influence on reggae! I would never have thought of that. I've heard from so many people what a nice and genuine man he has. I regret that I never had the chance to meet him, personally.

When I was with Airwave at the beginning of the '80s, I found out that one of our partners, Ron Outlaw, was acquainted with Curtis, through mutual friends. Curtis was working in New Orleans (or somewhere in The South at that time, if I remember correctly). A lot of people were cashing in on oldies issues in Britain, and even in USA again. Motown was planning to bring out a lot of previously unreleased material in their "From The Vaults" project, and other companies were starting to do that, too. Ron and I planned to talk to Curtis to see if he had anything "In The Can" from those years" to see about helping it get released. I got caught up in my business in Europe, and somehow we never got around to it. It would have been a great thrill just to meet him, even if nothing would have been in that project for us.

I agree that he was DEFINATELY giving Motown competition. Thank goodness, we had the great scene in Chicago he got started and fostered, to give us more variety in soul music in the '60s.

By the way, if I had to pick only one writer to have songs by, he would be the one, beating out all the great Motown writers, Van McCoy, Ashford/Simpson, Jo Armstead, Bachrach/David,Goffin/King, Gamnble/Huff and the rest. When my uncle was buried, he had a copy of the 1936 78 Okeh record "The Laughing Cowboy"/"The Crying Cowboy" placed in the coffin. I'll probably have a Mary Wells record written and produced by Smokey, a Jan Bradley written by Curtis, and a Flamingos Parrott or Chance record in mine.
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Evening All,

There were some wonderful points made, indeed - about my main man - Curtis Mayfield.

I could say plenty - so let me just reiterate that Curtis Mayfield was my hero. I could go on - and on about him. I chose Curtis's music to carry w/me to that abandoned island - and I've never felt so confident in a selection. My favorite song of all time is "We're a Winner."

Was Curtis Mayfield a genius? Well - that would depend on who is doing the judging. Again - this is another individual judgement call.

Curtis was a healer, and a lover of his race and Human Kind - and he was much-much more than that. His goal was to help people - thru the message in his music.

He was verrrrry independent and thoughtful and loving enough - to give folks a message thru his & the Impressions' music - in order to give us hope and love. He loved. To me - his Legacy is - his love and music.

He loved me.

R.I.P - Mr. Mayfield. He said - "Check Out Your Mind." LOL!




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Hi this is Kev-Lo hey Zaya great tread and yes I'am a Curtis Mayfield fan myself and he was a great influence on me.I personally think he was the king of Chicago Soul.He also had influence on other soul greats in chicago,although Curtis basically started in the late 50's with Jerry Butler,but in the early 60's that's when his music was a influence on so many of our lives.I will play his music from now to the day I exist out of here.That's how much his music had a influence on me.
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You have all made very valid points about Mr. Mayfield. Curtis reminds me of my youth on the southside of Chicago. Curtis was King. I was first exposed to Curtis by my parents who loved the Impressions led at that time by Jerry Butler. Hell It was a constant source of revelry to watch my parents bicker about who was best Jackie Wilson, Sam Cooke,Ink Spots, Dinah Washington, Brook Benton etc. Invariably Curtis name would come up. Initially I think Curtis gavalnized the black community because the Impressions records sounded like church on Sunday Morning. Curtis's music had the ability to join old and young together in a social setting (Its Alright) and have them reminded to go to church Sunday (Amen). He was one of the first songwriters to gather the vibe of the civil rights movement and transform it into black is beautiful. Soft spoken, intelligent, proud and monumentally gifted, Curtis was the voice of Black America. Thanks you guys so much for giving props to one of the most prolific songwriters and musicans the world has ever known.

We're A Winner and never let anybody say, that we can't make it....

No more tears will we cry, we can finally dry our eyes............


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Great vocals and great songs! In person they
were very good too!
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The Impressions at their classy best...

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When I think of The Chicago Sound I think of Curtis. What is the sound? I think it felt more of the northside than any thing else. I don't know it's hard to explain. I just don't know the right words to say. "Choice of Colour", "Keep on Pushing", all the way up to his last "The Girl I Find Stays On My Mind" from New World Order CD. The last song I just mention gives me shivers when I hear it. I enjoyed his soundtrack scores the most that I don't have a favorite, it just touch you that way. I felt that Himself and Iaasc Hayes we're my two favorite artist I would listen to mainly. I rank Curtis Mayfield next to Smokey Robinson, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan and Lennon & McCarthy at the very top as the greatest songwriter of modern day music and on pop culture.
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I was a pre-teen when I heard my first Impressions record "Gypsy Woman", that song wowed me. I could visualize that Gypsy Woman dancing around to a guitar melody, and her smokey eyes all aglow. I remember all the older teens in my neighborhood playing that song at their red or blue light parties. The Cha Cha was primarily danced on this tune.
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Vonnie I was pre-teen when that record came out too as you can probably tell from my post. Don, you say north and I say south....thats way cool, I'm sure the east and west side residents would have similar sentiments. My favorite Soundtracks by Curtis are most of his work,although I think Claudine hit closest to home because it was like a reflection of my own family. Lets Do It Again and Superfly have withstood the test of time and I'm immediately transported to the past when I hear the intro of Freddies Dead.....and Sparkle..... Curtis put his unique signature on a number of artists, Aretha, Staple Singers, Gladys Knight....simply put that signature was genius.......
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Kdubya: I'm a Southsider too (South Chicago and Homewood)- so I'd say all the best Chicago soul DIDN'T come from The North Side. I think Don was referring to the fact that Curtis Mayfield, Jerry Butler, Billy Butler,Major Lance and Otis Leavill all hung out at Cabrini Green. But we had lots of great R&B, Blues and Soul come out of the South Side. And There was a lot of good music on the West Side, too.
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Kdubya (paladin)
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I hear you man...Tyrone Davis and Garland Green for starters.........I was raised all over Chicago, east, west and as far south as The Gardens....before I wound up in Robert Taylor.........LOL.....now I live in the western suburbs...chilling like a villian but back in those days R & B kept me going. Running, dancing, ducking....you know the drill.......
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Don (don)
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My sentiments exactly Robb. Sorry I didn't get a chance to post a reply, I been busy as of late and I won't have a chance to post for awhile, but I'll try to from time to time. Kdubya, I was mainly speaking of Curtis and his trademark 'Chicago Sound'. Like Robb K explains, I was relating probable to where he grew up. That's not to take away from the Southside (Where I been living now since 75/76 nor the Eastside (Where I had alot of fun from the mid 70's to the early 80's) or the Westside where I'm originally from. I'm not disagreeing Kdubya. It doesn't matter where one resides it's all about The Chicago Sound.
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Don you're right and if you read the posts carefully you'll see that I may have tongue in cheek most times,it seems that we both have been exposed to the music in all parts of Chicago.
I was not taking a position of right or wrong just my own remembrances and perceptions. Thanks for the reply, I look forward to having spirted & informative exchanges with you in the future. So understand that I will disagree with a person from time to time but I have too much respect for the forum and it's particpants to launch a verbal or written attack on anyone here. Never have , never will...................and the band played on..................
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Don (don)
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I agree Kdubya, thanks man and thank you.

Don
Chi Town
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Linda Lexy (linda_lexy)
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I just gotta mention "We Gotta Have Peace", "MoveOn Up", "Only You Babe" ...Curtis Mayfield left a lasting impression on music and society and I deeply respect that. So many people during that time cared about thier message. If you're going to mention great writers you cannot leave out Holland, Dosier, Holland or Barrett Strong.
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Destruction (destruction)
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I don't feel I can add to the accolades Curtis has already received, except to say 'Amen'.

As a teenager, I remember a heated argument at my father's athletic club over who was more talented, Smokey or Curtis. I mean these guys were covering all the bases, best voice, songwriter, producer, overall influence. Smokey started fast, but Curtis whipped him in the later rounds. lol.

"Moonlight Shadows" from (i believe) the "We're A Winner" album was a song we used back in the day to solidify our group harmony.

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