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  sideburnslim (sideburnslim) 4-Laureate Username: sideburnslim Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.175.175 |
What is the ZTSC story? I have seen it on Ric-Tic to Hideout records. What is the connection? | ||
Joe Moorehouse (joe_moorehouse) 1-Arriviste Username: joe_moorehouse Post Number: 7 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Adam, it's the code for Columbia's pressing plant in Illinois (other Columbia plants also had codes that started with ZTS, e.g., ZTSP from--I think--Philly). Columbia had an office in Detroit through which they received orders from loads of local independent record companies. There are thousands of ZTSC records, and Reg Bartlett is currently working on a book that will catalog as many as he's been able to identify. Many of the ZTSC records are from Michigan, but there are also plenty from Illinois, Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, etc. Everything from polkas to spoken word to brilliant soul and garage. You can use the ZTSC numbers to date records, which will presumably be covered in some detail in Reg's book. For a nice look at lots of pressing plant info, see the Anorak's Corner section of Dave Flynn's Capitol Soul Club site. I don't have the full url at my fingertips, but if you do a Google search for ZTSC Anorak's Corner, it should come up. | ||
sideburnslim (sideburnslim) 4-Laureate Username: sideburnslim Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.175.175 |
Thanks! | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 242 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.19.138 |
I've read many references to ZTSC as Columbia's pressing plant in Terre Haute, Indiana. I also read that the bulk of its production went to Detroit labels, with approximateley 80%; next, Chicago labels, with app. 15%; and the remainder (app. 5%) to other Midwestern cities. I'm not sure about the other Columbia plant codes, but I believe if ZTSP was Philadelphia, ZSP must have been New York. I believe that for ZTSC, the 70,000s started the 1960s, 80,000s were reached in 1962, mid 90,000s in 1964, and skipped from 107,999 to 121,000 in 1965. They reached 140,000 in 1967. | ||
David Meikle (david_meikle) Moderator Username: david_meikle Post Number: 131 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 81.130.211.124 |
The ZTSC offices were probably at Columbia's office which was at 2990 West Grand Blvd right across from the Fisher Building. | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 3-Pundit Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.219.250.5 |
ZSP was used for Columbia's own labels, Columbia Okeh, Epic and Date. There may be a few others (dj copies used JZSP) ZTSP appears to have been for East Coast labels primarily New York state but there are some from Pennsylvania and other states. labels included 20th Fox, Musicor, United Artists and subsidiaries ZTSB was for Columbia's Nashville plant but covers a lot of Southern states - there are even a few Stax releases with ZTSB numbers. Robb - I don't have the details to hand but as far as I can recall there are no ZTSC70000's Columbia had a system where are a range of numbers would be allocated to each pressing plant - in turn that office would allocate a batch of numbers to an individual client. United Artists releases were for a long time pressed by Columbia. You'll find that a given run of releases on UA or one of the subsidiaries like Veep or DCP would have a run of consecutive matrix numbers allocated to their product. For smaller labels like Golden World / Ric-Tic their matrix numbers would be part of a series of numbers which would also be used for other midwest clients like Motown, Groovesville and literally hundreds of other labels. In short not all the numbers in the range 80000 to 89999 would be "owned" by ZTSC. They'd be split something like 80000 - 84999 allocated to ZTSC 85000 - 85999 allocated to ZTSP 90000 - 94999 allocated to ZSP Those numbers are off the top of my head and used to illustrate a point. I'd have to check my database to be more specific. Davie | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 49 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
Columbia Special Products office was first located in the Fisher Building. I visted them sometime around 1965, the space consisted of 2 rooms and the staff was made up of a secretary and 2 salesmen. my guess is they later moved almost directly across the street in a small office building to get more room at maybe a reduced rental fee. all of the orders taken by the Detroit office were sent to Columbia's Chicago studio to have the master lacquer records cut and then forwarded on to the plant in Terre Haute. | ||
John Lester (theboyfromxtown) 3-Pundit Username: theboyfromxtown Post Number: 45 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 62.49.61.57 |
Ron.. You could save the pics for your book and then we would ALL have to buy it. *Hint hint* | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 55 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
thanks John:but I don't know if I can do a book and in case something happens I think this topic is the right spot for posting Columbia's Chicago rate card once I re-size it a bit to fit on here which I will do later on today...once again John thanks for believing I could write a book but it's a lot of work-just ask Graham Finch..ha ha | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 58 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
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acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 74 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
That's right Ron. Do you know anything about this 45... The Locations - Mr. Diamond - Ron Paul label | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 59 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
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Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 3-Pundit Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 60 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
hey Graham; I was just re-sizing the Columbia rate card to fit here. I'm sorry but I don't believe I ever saw the record you mentioned,there was a Davey-Paul label from Flint,Michigan which I'm sure you already know about, but this one is new to me. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 245 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.108.65.10 |
Thanks for the information Davie. I always wondered why I saw some 80000 numbers in a given range for ZTSC and others for ZTSP, and they didn't cross. However, I'm almost certain that I've seen at least a couple records with ZTSC numbers in the 78800 series. I'll check my 1960-61 Detroit records, when I get home. I'm almost sure they were Detroit labels. | ||
Flynny (anoraks_corner) 3-Pundit Username: anoraks_corner Post Number: 52 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.135.124.68 |
Here's the link about US pressing plants/dead-wax markings, that Ron mentioned: http://capitolsoulclub.homeste ad.com/PressingPlants.html | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 3-Pundit Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 66 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 212.219.250.4 |
Robb, you may well be right - that post was off the top of my head. Graham, something tells me that the Ron Paul label's from somewhere other than Detroit but offhand I can't remember more. davie | ||
Flynny (anoraks_corner) 3-Pundit Username: anoraks_corner Post Number: 56 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 213.122.3.228 |
Names featured on the Ron-Paul 45 include: Heart & Soul Music pub. Written by Ronald Davis Produced by Herb Zwicker & Bernard Jackson. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 256 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.198.181 |
WOW!!! Thanks for the link, Flynny! Great information! Now it makes more sense. I had always heard that the ZTSC plant was the Terre Haute plant. I always wondered why they were pressing much more down in Terre Haute, when the source of the plastic and customers were in Chicago. So, the ZTSC plant was in Chicago, and the orders were taken out of the Detroit office. That explains why so many more Detroit independents used that plant than Chicago indies! | ||
acooolcat (acooolcat) 4-Laureate Username: acooolcat Post Number: 75 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Thanks Flynny. I know a Detroit songwriter with that name (Ron Davis) - but don't recall ever seeing Zwicker and Bernard Jackson on any 45s before. Anyone? | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 5-Doyen Username: robb_k Post Number: 279 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.108.65.10 |
I've seen both names on soul records. I can't remember where, however. |
