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  Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 1 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 211.19.110.156 |
Hi, I need your help on the cody black's 45 released from Universe Label which I have but never seen it on his discography currently available. It is CODY BLACK - THE CAMEL WALK/JOREEN (SHE'S SOMETHING ELSE) (UNIVERSE 551). I refered to the Mike Hanks Story in this website but it is not written about this Universe Label at all so I assume that this was released before his contract with D-Town because he had worked with Mike at least until the time he released a 45 from Groove City and its sound is older than the 45 from Groove City. Is this Unverse Label from Ohio because he contracted with D-Town soon after he arrived from Cincinnati according to Mike Hanks Story? But it sounds like Detroit recording to me. In addition, I don't know about Dick Lee whose name is credited as a writer of both song and a producer of this 45 as well. Who and what is this guy? Anybody knows this guy? Appreciate if anyone can help me on this 45. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 656 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.196.187 |
That's very interesting! I hope someone on SD knows about The Universe label. I've never seen a Detroit Universe label. I have a few records on UNIVERSAL out of Detroit, from 1964. They were arranged by Dale Warren. but their number serier was 5000, and I don't remember any Dick Lee. Maybe Ron Murphy can help us here? The only Dick Lee I know of was "Dickey Lee" who sang "Patches" on Smash. I don't believe he was from Detroit. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 249 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Hi Naoya Yamauchi, and welcome! I don't know of this 45 either. Cody made a recording with The Victorials before going to Detroit. He then joined Mike and had 45s on D-Town, Wheelsville and GIG. He also cut one on King before joining Rambrock where he had three releases; I think his one 45 on Groove City originates from his Rambrock days. He then joined Ston Rock, which was tied to Capitol. After that he formed his own label - Rannaisance. But I imagine you know all this already. Please try to post a scan of the label, or list all the credits. There'll be a page on Cody in part three of the Mike Hanks Story. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 251 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
I forgot to mention his Pamela label 45 that he cut prior to going to Detroit. Does it sound anything like that one? | ||
Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) 4-Laureate Username: benlynx Post Number: 71 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 81.76.77.141 |
CODY BLACK COME TO ME (GIRL)/STRANGER THAN A FAIRY TALE-PAMELA 7453 THE CAMEL WALK/JOREEN (SHE'S SOMETHING ELSE)-UNIVERSE 551 IT'S OUR TIME TO FALL IN LOVE/YOU'LL BE SORRY-GIG 201 MOVE ON/THESE CHAINS OF LOVE-D TOWN 1032 MR.BLUE/YOU MUST BE IN LOVE-D TOWN 1057 WOULD YOU LET ME KNOW/TOO MANY IRONS IN THE FIRE-D TOWN 1066 I WILL GIVE YOU LOVE/I AM PARTICULAR-WHEELSVILLE 107 BECAUSE YOU FIRST LOVED ME/THE NIGHT A STAR WAS BORN-GROOVE CITY 960 KEEP ON KEEPING ON/I'M SLOWLY MOLDING-KING 6148 SOMEBODY'S GONNA END UP LOVIN'/GOING GOING GONE-RAM BROCK 2002 LIFE GOES ON/(THE NIGHT) A STAR WAS BORN-RAM BROCK 2003 LOVE LIKE I NEVER HAD/REAP WHAT YOU SAW-RAM BROCK 2004 I STILL LOVE YOU/ICE CREAM SONG-STON ROC 3378 I'M SORRY/FOOL ON THE WILD-CAPITOL 2807 STOP TRYING TO DO WHAT YOU SEE YOUR NEIGHBOR DO/AIN'T NO LOVE LIKE YOUR LOVE-CAPITOL 2858 KEEP ON TRYING/STEPPIN' ON TOES (YOU CAN'T MAKE IT)-RENAISSANCE 1001 SWEET LOVE/WHAT GOES AROUND-RENAISSANCE 0002 | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 662 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.108.65.10 |
Who else was on the label credits of the Universe Record (other than Dick Lee)? It was released between Pamela and Gig. What were the release dates of those three records? | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.160.133.219 |
Thank you for your comments, guys. I know of all of Cody's 45 (I don't mean that I have all) and my freinds and I heard this 45 and compared with Pamela and GIG which the freinds brought at the time. We all agreed that this 45 from Universe must be released between Pamela and GIG (actually GIG released after Wheelsville, right?). It sounds like Cody with Del-Phis with Early Motown sound especially on "JOREEN". Hi Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) Thank you for your listing of Cody. Is Your listing taken from Nobby's site? If so, the information of Universe gaven to him was by me. I try to attach the image of this 45 and hope it works. I will check and provide you with other credit on the label rather than Dick Lee tonight (morning in your time) because I am now writing this message from my office where this 45 is not with me.  | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 667 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.176.191 |
It looks like "Dicky Lee" on the label, but too small for me to read. Is that Walnut Music? (also not quite readable). That was a music company connected with Johnny Mae Matthews her early partner Bennett, written by them, as well as Detroiters Kenny Martin, Sonny Woods and Clarence Paul. Their songs were sung by Detroiters Clarence Paul, The Volumes, Ivies and possibly a few other Detroit artists (Unique Teens), albeit, released on NY labels. That might indicate that it is a Detroit Record (or at least production). The fact that you told us it sounds like a Detroit production (rather than the Pamela Record, also helps point it in the direction of Detroit. What are the matrix numbers stamped or etched in the trailer? The label, itself, looks like a New York label from 1961-63. Does anyone here recognise The Celestials as a Detroit group? | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 252 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Thanks for the label scan. I'll call Cody soon and ask him about this disc. | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.160.133.219 |
Robb_K, Thank you for your comments. As I wrote, I'll check the disc and provide with more info. tonight. Graham, Hope you can get and tell us the story about this disc. | ||
JSmith (jsmith) 2-Debutant Username: jsmith Post Number: 20 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 62.172.213.132 |
Cody was quite a busy man in Detroit studios for a number of years (this links in with another current topic), mainly from the mid 60's to early 70's. He told me (whilst here in the UK last year) that he had largely taught the Magictones to sing harmony correctly, schooling them for some time to get their vocal performances right (I presume for studio sessions). He also spent many hours in the studio on other artists sessions (mainly I seem to remember in conjunction with Mike Hanks). My friend has a 60's Detroit acetate that had been 'assigned' by a dealer as being sung by Melvin Davis. I got Melvin to listen to it & he said it definitely wasn't his voice he was listening to. We later played the track for Cody and after a couple of plays and much thought, he credited it to a local artist and none of us in the room had any reason to doubt he was wrong. Cody (along with Bobby Hutton, Don Gardner and to a lesser degree Melvin & Baby Washington) spent quite a few hours in my chalet at the Prestatyn Soul Weekender chatting about the various aspects of their careers. As many of my friends also dropped in to chat & get 45's signed, many facts that had been long forgotten surfaced and were discussed (mainly due to questions fired at the artists as they held a copy of one of their old singles for the 1st time in many years). We should really have had a tape recorder running, BUT DIDN'T. | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.103.254.2 |
JSmith, Thanks for your message but I'm sorry that I could not understand 100% what you wrote because I am not a native speeker. But I'm interested in the story about accetate sung by Melvin Davis but both song of my 45 are sung by Cody. Well, I will try to read it again and agian untill I fully undestand. Thanks again. Well, the credits on my 45 are as follows:- (1) Name of Artist: CODY BLACK AND THE CELESTIALS (on "The Camel Walk"), CODY BLACK AND THE GIRSL (on "Joreen") (2) Writer of Songs: Dick Lee (NOT Dicky Lee or Dickey Lee) (3) Arr. & Produced by: Dicky Lee (NOT Dick Lee or Dickey Lee) **** (2)&(3) make me confuse. Dick or Dicky??? (4) Matrix Nos.: 1011-45-551-A-X1 ("The Camel Walk"), 1011-45-5551-B ("JOreen") (5) Publisher: Warmat Pub.-BMI | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.103.254.2 |
Oops. I made a mistake. >>(1) Name of Artist: CODY BLACK AND THE GIRSL (on "Joreen") Actually, CODY BLACK AND THE GIRLS instead of THE GIRSL. Sorry. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 676 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.198.169 |
Thanks, Naoya. Can you please tell me if you didn't put an extra "5" in the matrix number "45-5551-B" ? I believe it should be "551-B)-as it refers to record catalogue number 551. Thanks. Sorry to make you look again. I hope these matrix numbers will help Ron M. find a clue to which pressing plant (if in The general Detroit area)it was pressed in. Still, it appears (with the limited information)to me that it was a Detroit product, which may have been released on a NY label. | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.160.133.219 |
Robb_K, Oh, yes, you are right. I wrongly put an extra "5". The matrix number is "551-B" instead of "5551-B". | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 4-Laureate Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 168 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
Robb: this Cody Black record was not pressed in Michigan , the typesetting on the label was not used by ARP in Owosso who did their own labels after 1961, Archer Record Pressing used Keystone for labels until doing it themselves in the mid-70's. from looking at the label my guess is that King Records pressed it, notice the 45-551 matrix which King always used a 45-XXX, plus the style of font and size. Pressing plants are usually consistent on labels and the types of molds used. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 685 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.196.202 |
Thanks Ron. Now that you mention it, it does look like a King-distributed label style. Do you think it was pressed in Ohio? I still think it might well be Detroit product, however. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 686 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.183.122 |
I've never come across Warmat Music. Dick Lee and Dick(e)y Lee are names I've seen on East Coast labels and productions. Ron, do you recognise The Celestials as a local Detroit group. I only know that name from an East Coast group. Do you recognise Warmat Music or Dick Lee as being related to Detroit? | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 4-Laureate Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 169 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
Robb: no I do not see anything that links it to Detroit, but I have never heard it to say it does or does not sound like it was recorded in Detroit. but it does look like a King Records pressing from Cincinatti,Ohio | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.160.133.219 |
Ron, Thank you for your input. As for the font on the label, I agree with your guess that King Records pressed it. I compared with a copy of Otis Redding And The Pinetoppers on Bethlehem and found that the both sytle and size of font is exactly same. I will try to let you listen the songs on here tonight so that you can find if it was recorded in Detroit.  | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 5-Doyen Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 272 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.157.113.220 |
Ron, I think you're right abouty it probably being a King custom pressing. "1011" in the matrix numbers is likely to be King's customer code for the Universe label - 1011 is one of the "unknowns" in a listing I have of labels who had rceords pressed by King - thta and the fact that King and Cody Black were both from Cincinatti adds weight to the theory. Here's the link to the King custom presing list - courtesy of the "rockinrecords" mailing list. http://launch.groups.yahoo.com /group/rockinrecords/files/ King assigned their customer client numbers chronologically so 1963 looks like a reasonable approximation of the record's release year. Davie | ||
Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) 4-Laureate Username: benlynx Post Number: 76 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 84.66.30.22 |
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Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 211.19.111.190 |
Davie, Thank you for your input but cannot see the page of yahoo. Here is my site that you can access to hear the Cody's songs on Universe.�@�@I don't know how to do this accually so if this doesn't work, please copy the URL and paste it. Cody Black on Universe | ||
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon) 5-Doyen Username: davie_gordon Post Number: 274 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.157.113.220 |
Naoya, I think you may have to join that group to be able to get to the files section. Go to http://launch.groups.yahoo.com /group/rockinrecords/ You will have to set up a personal Yahoo acount first if you don't have one - then 1. join the Rockinrecords group 2. click "files" at the left side of the homepage 3. click on "Kingcustompressing.doc" If it doesn't work e-mail at davidlgordon@yahoo.co.uk I'll then send you a copy of the file. My congratulations - you are doing really well in dealing with both a foreign language and a completely different writing system - I wouldn't know where to start to deal with a website that was in Japanese. :-) Davie | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 211.19.111.190 |
Davie, I have already had a yahoo account but it didn't work. Well, my site has in English (but not updated so long) and in Japanese. Japanese site has more contents than English one. Though you can read in Japanses site but at least you can see images of labels, etc. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 253 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
I haven't spoken to Cody again (yet) but he told me a few years ago that he went to Detroit in 1962; I guess he could be a little out. He lived around the corner from King Records. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 691 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.177.135 |
Hi everyone. I am still in the stone age of computer technology. I don't have the capability to open and listen to a music file on the internet. So, I won't be able to hear the Cody Black recordings. So, SDers, I'd appreciate your input on what the songs sound like (as to background singers (celestials, "Girls") as well as arrangement,writing of songs, musicians, mixing, and comments on whether or not you think it was recorded in Detroit. Thanks, Robb K. | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 1-Arriviste Username: 708 Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.103.237.198 |
Robb, You can download the FREE soft to listen Cody' recordings at the following UK site. http://uk.real.com/radiopass/? &src=ZG.uk.idx | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 693 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.181.52 |
THANKS FOR THE HELP, NAOYA, but I don't have enough RAM to use the software, and can't add the RAM, as it is old fashioned ED RAM, which would cost me too much. I hope to buy a desk -computer system within the next 6 months, when I return to USA, and also need to buy a notebook. But buying both will take a lot of money, that I can't really afford right now. I also need to get a CD burner (I assume that will be included in the desktop set). Then, I'll be able to download off the internet, and burn CDs and MP3s. But in USA, my band width is so small, I STILL may not be able to download music off the internet (even with a new computer). I get internet access for free currently. I'm not sure I want to pay $20-$30 per month to get internet access with a broad band. In Holland, I do have broad band. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 254 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
I've just spoken to Cody and played him the two songs down the phone. He hadn't heard them since the session and begged me to get him them on CD for him, so - Naoya Yamauchi - please help me do that. acooolcat@yahoo.com Cody said he cut these Universe tunes after the Pamela 45, in Cincinatti. He also said the Pamela disc was in 1961 and this Universe 45 was in '62. Dickie Lee was someone with the song who Cody didn't really know. He just sang the songs and went to Detroit shortly after. I mentioned to Cody that he has a cult following in Japan and he's very interested in visiting if he can get some gigs there. He's planning to write a book called "I Almost Made It" - after the Jimmy Delphs song. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 255 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
PS - The Celestials were some female backing singers he didn't know. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 695 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.28.6 |
Thanks, Graham. | ||
Naoya Yamauchi (708) 2-Debutant Username: 708 Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2004 Posted From: 219.103.237.198 |
Graham, Thank you for your confirmation to Cody. Yes, it is very interested and at least I am happy to got such information directly from Cody. Well, I will contact you concerning Cody's request as soon as possible. One thing I would like to ask you... What does it mean that Cody is planning to write a book...AFTER JIMMY DELPHS? I am also interested in JIMMY because I have all his 45s. What is the meaning of "AFTER JIMMY"? Had Cody any relation with JIMMY? | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 256 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Hi, Cody mentioned to me he was going to call his book "Almost Made it" and I said that Jimmy Delphs sang a song (as did Betty Lavette) with that title. Cody acknowledged that and that's what I meant by "after Jimmy." I look forward to hearing from you. What are the chances of Cody getting some gigs in Japan? | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 257 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
Robb Camel Walk is a nice, slow-paced dancer while the flip is punchier. I think you'd like them. | ||
Robb_K (robb_k) 6-Zenith Username: robb_k Post Number: 698 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.81.24.133 |
Thanks, Graham. If you downloaded it, I guess I'll get it from you, eventually. | ||
Graham Finch (acooolcat) 5-Doyen Username: acooolcat Post Number: 259 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 210.200.105.226 |
I'm not sure when Cody's GIG 45 was released, but don't think it was his first with Mike. In fact I'm pretty sure it wasn't. His Wheelsville 45 is sandwiched by "Mr. Blue" and "Too Many Irons In The Fire." |
