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ejkfan7 (ejkfan7)
1-Arriviste
Username: ejkfan7

Post Number: 6
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.154.98.43
Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 11:54 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Everyone,

I'm become a huge new fan of Jeannie Reynolds. I read about what happened. It was so sad. What drove her to her actions? A friend of mine told me that someone posted a police report detaling what happened that fateful day. Can someone tell me what exactly happened and what up to that very sad moment?
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2798
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 12:11 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi EJK,

Here's a link that gives a little of L.J. had to say about this unfortunate situation:

http://www.soulcellar.co.uk/Je annie%20Reynolds.html
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
4-Laureate
Username: soulbrother

Post Number: 145
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.234.172.166
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 2:49 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey ekjfan...glad you like Jeannie...what a voice.. and what a shame she left early.

Thanks for the plug Juice.

Regards

Barry
www.soulcellar.co.uk
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zebop (zebop)
4-Laureate
Username: zebop

Post Number: 149
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 152.163.100.134
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 2:51 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Is that the same Soul-Brother I seen on the net huh? Very cool.

I haven't heard a lot of Jeanie's work but "The Fruit Song" is bad. I love the way the original vinyl sounded I prefer it to the version that's on that Rhino stepping CD.

(Message edited by zebop on October 10, 2004)
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
4-Laureate
Username: soulbrother

Post Number: 146
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.234.172.166
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 7:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Yes.. the same..only one Soul-Brother

Try all you can get from Jeannie..

Barry
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2799
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 10:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Soul Brother,

Hey, you've got the info & the good music. It's very hard to find any info about that sad situation. Brother, you're one of few who have it. I just thought I'd send them to the proper source!

Keep on keeping the Soul alive, Soul Brother!!!
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
6-Zenith
Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 429
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 62.252.128.19
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 2:52 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Forgive me for choking JF20 but that info came from this website ..... and don't ask me if I knew about it; but I am asking if I did.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2802
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 4:09 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David,

I offer you my sincerest apologies. You should know that I meant no slight or disrespect whatsoever to you, or SoulfulDetroit.

What I did was followed Googles' link & place it here. Where I went wrong was not reading the entire body of the message. I followed the bold print & never looked at the source of the story. I just wanted to answer the question posed. As I saw the answer to the question posed appeared on Soulcellar & nowhere else, I just gave the link.

As I rechecked the link, even Jose Feliciano & Stevie Wonder could plainly see that the info posted in Soulcellar, came from right here at SoulfulDetroit. I sit here with egg on my face & for my oversight, I humbly apologize.

I just wish that the posts were still accessible through Google, as I don't believe that that SoulfulDetroit thread can be accessed any longer. If it were accessible, you can be sure that I certainly would have posted it & would have recognized the friendly SoulfulDetroit masthead. I definitely apologize to you for my lack of attention to detail & proper crediting of the source.

There's no need to choke. Everything that I write speaks highly of SoulfulDetroit & everyone knows that. I would hope that you understand that I meant no harm. You should know me well enough by now to know that I am guilty of an honest mistake.

David, you do know that, don't you :-)

My apologies again to David & all the SoulfulDetroit family, who gave us insight into the sad story of Ms Jeannie Reynolds.

R.I.P.
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
4-Laureate
Username: soulbrother

Post Number: 148
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 84.135.144.178
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:04 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Juice..David has sent me a email.. I was under the impression it was OK to put whatever it is on the webpage..and that is was with permission.. hence the thanks at the bottom. If there has been a misunderstanding.. then I apologise.We were dealing with this privately..but it seeems now it has gone public..that is a pity

Again.. apologies

Barry
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20

Post Number: 2807
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Lord,

What have I gotten myself into now? I was just trying to pass along information. I certainly didn't mean to create any controversy for anyone.

DAMN!!!

Fellas, is it possible to restore the archives, so that this type of unfortunate incident never occurs again???

David: Now I understand what you meant, Soulman's message brought clarity to your statement!

(Message edited by juicefree20 on October 10, 2004)
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LarsC (the_norwegian)
3-Pundit
Username: the_norwegian

Post Number: 50
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 80.203.45.180
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 5:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Since the information is no longer accessible through this site and it was credited to sdf very clearly (no link though, should've been one) I can't see why this should be a problem. Those statements were made on a public forum and therefore public property as long as the credits are given to the right people.

Am I wrong in thinking this ?

(Message edited by the_norwegian on October 10, 2004)
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Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
5-Doyen
Username: davie_gordon

Post Number: 260
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.157.156.120
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 6:36 pm: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lars, because something has been published in a
public forum does not mean that that "something"
becomes public property - it's still the property of the writer and / or publisher.

Think of the position of a journalist who publishes an article or a novelist who writes a book - they both make their work available to the public to be read but it certainly does NOT mean
that it becomes the property of the reader. That's
intellectual piracy and what copyright law is all about.

I don't think in this case there's really a problem as Barry rightly credited his source of
information as the SDF. I don't for a minute believe he meant any harm - it's just a pity
he didn't ask first. I think what's more of a
problem is that a lot of information on this site,
the product of a LOT of work turns up on the net with no acknowledgement of its source being
SDF. I've seen stuff I've written turning up elsewhere uncredited - I know because I recognise my mistakes, they don't - and that p*****d me off no end.
Giving pemission to reprint wouldn't really be a problem - it's the fact that the work is just
used without the common courtesy of at least asking first.

The contributors to this site don't do it for money - they'd be far more profitably occupied
elsewhere - but they have, at the least, the right
to expect the normal courtesies. It would save
ill feeling all round.

You'll find in a lot of small press magazines the
statement " copyright is held,on behalf of the
the individual contributors, by the editor"
- I think that's the way contributions to an
electronic forum are regarded by law.

If Fred's reading this maybe he can give us the benefit of his input.

Davie
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
4-Laureate
Username: soulbrother

Post Number: 149
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 84.135.144.178
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 3:45 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lars & Davie.. thank you for your comments...
I woke up to them.. after a bad night..thinking about leaving the group..they have made me think again.
I have been in the 'soul' business over 45 years..and in that time been copied, quoted etc..as long is it spread the word about the music I love.. I never minded. My webpage is costly..but done for the love of it. In the time I have had it..I have had many contributions..all
acknowledged.
As Lars said...if my page hadn't got it.. noone would have seen the information...surely we are here to share this info.
I was under the impression it had been cleared as regards to showing it.. hence the thanks to SDF at the bottom. A link there may have helped..but if you go to the SOUL LINKS..SDF is listed.
I apologised for any misunderstanding.. and will remove any parts of the page if necessary..altho Heikki is a good friend..and most certainly will agree to leaving his contribution on the page.
Thanks for the support...I await my punishment( Heavy Metal for a day!!)...

The 'only' Soul Brother

Barry
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
6-Zenith
Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 430
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 4:21 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Soul-Brother

Who did you acknowledge when you picked this image up on the web? Whose permission did you seek?

http://www.soulcellar.co.uk/Dr amatics.html
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
4-Laureate
Username: soulbrother

Post Number: 150
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 84.135.144.178
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 6:59 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David,
Can we not clear this up.. and privately..
no idea which image you mean..seems like I'm in someone's bad books.. so let's do my first option.
I will leave the Forum.. I'm one for peace..and don't want any further arguments.
To all those who sent me emails..many thanks for your support.
I won't post the playlists anymore(I remember asking if I could..not the work of someone who is being accused of NOT asking in advance)
The playlists are always available on the webpage.

Thanks for your support.

See ya

Barry
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
6-Zenith
Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 431
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:06 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Barry

You are copying images and text from other websites without permission. Then you deny it.

It is not on.

If anyone is still defending your actions then I'd be pleased to hear from them.

David
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LarsC (the_norwegian)
3-Pundit
Username: the_norwegian

Post Number: 51
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 80.203.45.180
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:22 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David; If you think Barry's way of gathering information is wrong, then mayybe you should write him a guide for how to do it without stepping on peoples toes (not a book, just some easy guidelines). I seriously doubt he has had malicious intentions. Yelling accusations at him will not do anything, except make the rest of us feel uncomfortable about the way things are being handled on the forum.

All; As for quoting from other sources: This is not something that needs consent as long as the proper credits are given, but the article should be reworked or contain more than just the quotes. Information is NOT anyones personal property.

Barry: Copying images is something to be careful about as they are of a different nature and can be clearly copyrighted. You need proper authorization to use these.

(Message edited by the_norwegian on October 11, 2004)

(Message edited by the_norwegian on October 11, 2004)
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BJL (bjl)
4-Laureate
Username: bjl

Post Number: 73
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 217.205.87.151
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:34 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Album sleeves and record labels are posted here regularly without the permission of the copyright owners (the record companies/photographers/design ers). Should this stop?
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
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Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 432
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:40 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lars

I'm sorry the truth is uncomfortable.

I approached him by e-mail before taking issue and responding directly on this forum through total frustration.

I find this incredulous that any of you find this matter-of-course.
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
6-Zenith
Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 433
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:50 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

BJL

My answer to that is no. Do Ebay or their sellers pay Thelma Records for showing one of their scans while making a profitable transaction?

Why therefore should we as a not for profit historical website?

Also we do absolutely everything we can to credit sources properly.

You are going off on a tangent anyway.

David
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Soul-Brother (soulbrother)
4-Laureate
Username: soulbrother

Post Number: 151
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 84.135.144.178
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:54 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Sorry David.. we were exchanging emails...before we had time to sort it...it appeared here..let's leave it at that.. seems I'm not alone with the confusion.
Please.. let that be it.. My first priority is not to get heated discussions.. therefore.. I will leave..any further discussions.. please privately

Barry
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LarsC (the_norwegian)
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Username: the_norwegian

Post Number: 52
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 80.203.45.180
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 7:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

What I need to know now is if you have found more material from sdf that he has not credited. Credited quotes is hardly anything you should waste so much energy on.

Is there something you're not telling ?
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Don (don)
6-Zenith
Username: don

Post Number: 967
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.173.187
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:00 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Please David M, I'm sure Berry meant any harm. It would be a shame to see him go and his site gone from The SD Connections. 20-0-4 has had alot of strange occurances and sad news David.
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
6-Zenith
Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 434
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:07 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Lars

I will respect Barry's request above.

As a general comment I have found our images on a number of websites. I have found our text in fanzines/magazines/cd booklets. One image very kindly donated by Jim Gallert found it's way onto a cd itself.

All uncredited.

Please believe me this is extremely frustrating.

David
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LarsC (the_norwegian)
3-Pundit
Username: the_norwegian

Post Number: 53
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 80.203.45.180
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:18 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David
I understand your frustration.

My point was that the text we were referring to in this discussion was credited. Both in regards to who said what, and to where it was said.

Pictures, now that's a whole different story.
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BJL (bjl)
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Username: bjl

Post Number: 74
Registered: 5-2004
Posted From: 217.205.87.151
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:37 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

David,

With respect, I was simply looking for some clarity on the subject of pictures (a subject raised by you).

You suggested that Barry was wrong to use pictures without acknowledgment or permission. Like many others, I have posted pictures/label scans here without acknowledgment or permission and wanted to know if this was wrong or against SDF rules.

As a relatively new member, I'm simply trying to make sure that I understand the rules properly and am not supporting the misuse of copyright material.
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Don (don)
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Username: don

Post Number: 969
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.75.173.187
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:47 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You're Right. I read this thread again & again carefully. Now I see now why SD's earlier Arch's can't be accessed, I'll move on in making another comment. David, one thing I have to give Berry credit for is his help for solving a clue as regarding to PEOPLE RECORDS, that was an independent (short lived) run label by Wm. Mickey Stevenson, before he started VENTURE RECORDS. David check out SD's Arch thread on Hodges, Smith & James and originally Crawford. I told all the doubters this label existed, thanks to Berry for posting the PEOPLE single in the second post of the thread.
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
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Username: david_meikle

Post Number: 435
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
Posted on Monday, October 11, 2004 - 8:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostMove Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don

Why can't our earlier archives be accessed, I posted the link twice in recent months?

Here it is again.
http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html

then type

soulfuldetroit.com

David

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