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  Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2448 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Fox 5 News just reported that the singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, was on a plane bound for Washington from London, that was diverted & forced to land in Maine. The flight had already taken off from London & was enroute to Dulles International Airport, when they matched his name from the passenger list. It appears that the singer now known as Yusef Islam, is on a Federal Watch List & is not allowed in this country. The TSA interviewed him & denied him entry to this country. He will be place on the first available flight out of the country tomorrow. Here's the links: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ article.cgi?f=/news/archive/20 04/09/21/national2138EDT0808.D TL | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 194 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.74 |
Well they also had Senator Ted Kennedy on that same do-not-fly list, they didn't even let Ted on the plane in the first place. We'll see if this one was "on purpose" or not ... | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2449 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Sue, TED KENNEDY!!! What did he do? What did they figure that he'd drink the oil, or pillage our maidens? It appears that Yusef re-recorded Peace Train as a protest against the Iraqui War. On the other hand, he did denounce the murder of the school children in Russia. I wonder why they consider him to be a threat? He seems to be pretty peaceful. | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 195 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.74 |
Could be a neo-con plot to embarrass a Democrat (Kennedy), or alas, just incompetence --dunno ...! Ted's name kept coming up on the no-fly list every time he tried to board a plane. It took a special plea to Homeland Security -- from a Senator! -- before they fixed it. | ||
Emmett (j_wirt) 2-Debutant Username: j_wirt Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 65.54.97.186 |
Apparently, Attorney General Ashcroft thinks the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens is a menace to America. Seems highly unlikely. (Message edited by j_wirt on September 22, 2004) | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 920 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.176.1 |
I knew a guy that lost his job about 4 years ago because he wore a artistian cap on his job (I think it may had something to do with it). Told me he ordered it from a clothes order magazine, be cause he said that cap kept his ears warm since he had to work in the cold weather during the winters. And said he didn't know what wearing the cap meant or represented. When everyone on his job teased him about the cap, he just simply stop wearing the artistian cap, and this was a year before 911, and soon after the guy got railroaded & fired from his job. After 911, he realized what all the fess was about. I was a bit angry when he told me that. He is still being hounded, harassed and railroad to this very day, and is a us citizen and not even a muslim. Don | ||
mike s (mike_s) 4-Laureate Username: mike_s Post Number: 164 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.7 |
I think Attorney General Ashcroft is more of a menace to society than Cat Stevens. | ||
Manny (manny) 6-Zenith Username: manny Post Number: 455 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 217.124.51.68 |
Hello, Soulful Family! This is very sad! This is very crazy! Cat Stevens as a person and also his music are synonimous of message of peace. I likes his music, so spiritual and here in Spain is very higly respected and his "Buddah And The Chocolate Box" album got a cult status for the progressist and good people. The only explaination i can find, sadly is: All the terrorists thinks that everybody is a terrorist! The main terrorist danger for the Earth and for the people is the Capitalism!!! Capitalism kills thousands of innocent people everyday. Hope that very soon, a great country like the US of America got the politicians that deserves. Peace & Soul Food (and working for another WORLD!) | ||
Bong-Man (bongman) 2-Debutant Username: bongman Post Number: 24 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.148.123.128 |
He was denied entry because he is a financial supporter of the terrorist group "Hamas". He is also banned from entering Isreal for the same reason. But besides all that..... Well I think it's fine, building jumbo planes Or taking a ride on a cosmic train Switch on summer from a slot machine Yes,you get what you want to if you want 'cos you can get anything I know we've come a long way, we're changing day to day But tell me, where do the children play? Well you roll on roads over fresh green grass For your lorryloads pumping petrol gas And you make them long, and you make them tough But they just go on and on, and it seems you can't get off Oh, I know we've come a long way We're changing day to day But tell me, where do the children play? When you crack the sky, scrapers fill the air Will you keep on building higher 'til there's no more room up there? Will you make us laugh, will you make us cry? Will you tell us when to live, will you tell us when to die? I know we've come a long way We're changing day to day--hey But tell me, where do the children play? | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 190 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
I find this interesting that Cat Stevens changed his name. Is he now a follower of the muslim faith? I really don't know much about him except that I did like some of his music and at one time had his "Greatest Hits" lp. I particularly liked "Oh Very Young" and "Wild World". | ||
Gary (gary) 5-Doyen Username: gary Post Number: 183 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.73.238.2 |
Randy...Cat Stevens converted to Islam many years ago. Since that time, he has devoted his life to the Muslim faith and wants nothing to do with his former life as an entertainer. Although I think he did perform some of his old hits a while back at some sort of charitable fund raising event. My roomate during my freshman year in college was a HUGE Cat Stevens fan and he used to play Cat Stevens' albums incessantly in our dorm room, that's when I first became aware of his work. I had never heard of Cat Stevens prior to that time, but I learned to like much of his work because I was bombarded with it constantly for a whole year. I can't imagine him being any kind of terrorist, but who knows? | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 193 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Thanks, Gary! | ||
Emmett (j_wirt) 2-Debutant Username: j_wirt Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 209.215.117.4 |
The AP reports that an anonymous U.S. government official said Yusuf Islam, the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens, was placed on a watch list in recent weeks because intelligence sources indicate he may be associated with potential terrorists. Another anonymous official said U.S. authorities believe Islam may have indirectly donated funds to Omar Abdel-Rahman, the blind sheik convicted for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, as well as the Palestinian militant group, Hamas. Islam denied he intentionally supported terrorists. He�s been in the U.S. in recent years, most recently in May for a charity event and to promote his "MajiKat" tour DVD. He donated half the royalties from his most recent boxed set to the Sept. 11 Fund. Following the attacks, he said, "No right thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action: The Quran equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity." Islam recently released a remake of his �70s hit, "Peace Train," to express his opposition to the war in Iraq. His Web site is http://www.yusufislam.org.uk | ||
Vic Doucette (vic_doucette) 2-Debutant Username: vic_doucette Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.115.63.131 |
I'll always remember him like a child, girl. | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 4-Laureate Username: cool_ju Post Number: 103 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Hey Juice not only was Ted Kennedy on the list but also U.S. Rep John Lewis! I think it was a practical joke played by the neo-cons! | ||
Morgan (leeway) 3-Pundit Username: leeway Post Number: 62 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.236.206 |
If the U.S. allowed him in back in 2000 and as recently as May 2004, what gives?? More of the U.S. "ethnic-religious profiling"? And we already know how shitty er..I mean shoddy our intelligence services are. What a terrible accusation to make against someone if they're really basing this on the U.S. intelligence sources. The fact that he says he didn't contribute to Hamas or knowingly give money to any known terriosts groups, do they have proof that he did? With the government though you never know. If they want something to be true, they have the powers to make it true. Dave Chapelle did say that the U.S. is in possession of "Magic"! I guess Gary summed it up best.. who knows? I do believe Heckell and Jeckell are running the show at the C.I.A. | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 240 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.4 |
Did you know that "Cat" also publicly supported the Ayatollah Khomeini's death edict against the author Salman Rushdie. I for one am glad our government is taking a pro active stance against possible terrorist being on US bound planes. | ||
Morgan (leeway) 3-Pundit Username: leeway Post Number: 63 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.236.206 |
He's denied that also Tony. Where is the proof? Have you come across something that you can share with the rest of us? Where he is actually mouthing the words? By all means, if he's having conversations and making donations to terriosts groups then don't let him in!! By the same token though, why are the Saudi's given so much leeway? Of the 19 hi-jackers on 9-11, 14 were Saudis. We are still on very cordial terms with a government that openly opposes Israel and is very supportive of Palestine. Saudi television even televised a telethon to raise money for the families of suicide bombers a few years ago, because they believe these men and women to be "heros". Yet we wage war with IRAQ, who has NO ties to Osama or Alqueda. Still haven't found Osama and what nationality is Osama? He's a Saudi. The more I think about it, Yusef may have "flown" right into the middle of some right-wing scare tactic nonsense! This man has denied involvement and if they have actual proof that he's lying then I stand corrected. | ||
Emmett (j_wirt) 2-Debutant Username: j_wirt Post Number: 15 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 209.215.117.4 |
Billboard.com reports that British rock act Marillion was on the same flight. Marillion said he met a security guard who said that the two people escorted off were Cat Stevens and his daughter. "I was stunned. He is a pacifist and a great songwriter," Marillion said. | ||
Gary (gary) 5-Doyen Username: gary Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.73.238.2 |
Tony...many Muslims were upset over Rushdie's book; even non radical, mainstream Islamic scholars. I don't condone violence, and I am certainly not excusing their behavior, but I can kinda sorta see where their passion comes from. Anytime a perceived "outsider" makes remarks that are considered insulting to someone who is held in great reverence to his or her beleivers, people's emotions run wild and overrule their better judgement. Muslims considered Rushdie's book to be an affront to their God and their religion, therefore they felt he should pay with his life. Very scary. Remember the furor Catholics all over the world made after Sinead O'Connor ripped up the Pope's picture on SNL a few years ago? She basically had to go underground just like Rushdie for fear of her life. Zealots of any faith can be very dangerous. That goes for Muslims, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, and fundementalists of all colors. To me, that is one of the downsides of organized religion and that's also why I do my praying at home. | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 243 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.4 |
I don't know the man& could care less about his religion. The Associated Press reported about his support of the Ayatollah death edict situation and I remember that was in the London papers in the 80's . If I was an airline passenger I'd rather be safe then sorry. Its a non issue to me because I did not listen to his music. | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 196 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
The Associated Press also reported that he denied making the comment, didn't you read that too, Tony? | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 244 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.4 |
Sorry Sue, that was not in the article in the newspaper today.I guess now that we see the lies of CBS we must be suspicious of all news articles. | ||
Destruction (destruction) 5-Doyen Username: destruction Post Number: 400 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.224.20 |
" If I was an airline passenger I'd rather be safe then sorry. Hey what about the rest of us here on the ground. Are we safe from Muslims? The only solution to the "Muslim" problem is to kill them all. Problem solved. Anything less would be uncivilized. Gary, Amen. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 613 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Destruction - It is not Muslims that is the problem, but terrorist. My son is a muslim. Give me a reason why you would want to kill my son. (Message edited by sis on September 22, 2004) (Message edited by sis on September 22, 2004) | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 245 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.4 |
Gary, its the terrorist not the religion thats the problem. | ||
Emmett (j_wirt) 2-Debutant Username: j_wirt Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 209.215.117.4 |
Reports say that Cat Stevens� brother and business manager guarantees that the one-time pop star and convert to Islam has no association with suspected terrorists. News and opinion are frequently mixed in the United States these days, but it's my opinion that, unless these anonymous officials prove their claims, the U.S. government owes the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens an apology. | ||
Gary (gary) 5-Doyen Username: gary Post Number: 190 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.73.238.2 |
Very true Tony. But, it's the way the terrorist interprets the religion and uses it to justify senseless acts of violence against innocent people. We're on the same page, my friend. | ||
DyvaNaye (westside314) 6-Zenith Username: westside314 Post Number: 943 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 209.212.74.198 |
'Oh baby, baby its a WILD WORLD...' | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 197 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
Tony, It's not a lie for a newspaper to trim a story and have a paragraph in some editions, but not in others -- if that's what happened. It's possible you don't remember that part of the story, too. Jayson Blair didn't bring down the entire profession, and neither will the mistake of one CBS News producer. | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 247 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.18.50.4 |
No Sue, the story in todays Orlando Slantenal by Leslie Miller, Associated Press the last paragraph "He drew criticism in the late '80s after he publicly supported Ayatollah Khomeini's death edict agianst author Salman Rushdie."It does not say it was later disputed ect.which I don't think its right for the article to leave the dispute out as I feel bad for saying anything about the situation if its not true and I apologise if I came across anti-Cat Stevens or Yusuf Islam. | ||
Destruction (destruction) 5-Doyen Username: destruction Post Number: 404 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.225.25 |
SisD, Sorry for the disconnect. That was the point I was trying to make. In public we say it's the terrorists, not Muslims we have a problem with. Then "we" treat Muslims as if they are terrorists until "proven" otherwise. My sister is a Muslim. | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 620 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Destruction - I understand where you are coming from. I must agree with you on that point. You had me frightened for a bit.  | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 200 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 12.34.51.20 |
Tony, The last line in a story is the first to go when a copy editor is making a trim. If that's what happened, it's not a crime against journalism, just what happens on deadline sometimes. | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 201 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
p.s. The ABC Evening News had clips of the former Cat Stevens, both his original comment about Salman Rushdie and the later "amplification." In the second interview, aired four years ago, he said his original comments were explaining that in Islam, blasphemy is punishable by death, but that he wasn't arguing that Rushdie should be so punished. Splitting hairs, perhaps. I know we don't have the benefit of all the information about his alleged contributions, but having him on the watch list still seems a bit extreme to me. | ||
DenvrMotownLvr (john) 1-Arriviste Username: john Post Number: 7 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 24.9.226.3 |
I think it's interesting that the people of Muslim faith are being accused of "supporting terrorists" by donating to charites associated with Muslim people. What proof do we have that these are not legitimate charities? (the government wouldn't lie to us would they? (lol) Does the government keep tabs on the various organizations that people donate money to, located in this country? (charitable or otherwise) If they did, I think we might be suprised where some of it is going, i.e., not for its intended purpose. We all know this behavior is discrimination plain and simple. "W" and his cronies do things like this to make it appear they are "keeping us safe", while denying Muslim people the same "freedom" that they supposedly want for the Iraqi people. Muslims are an easy target, so they trample all over their civil rights, religious rights and god (or Allah) given rights. | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 202 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Good points, John. A lot of Irish people have donated to charities that, whether the people knew it or not, funneled money to the IRA. A lot of people donated to the Communist party in the past and were dogged just for that, although there was nothing illegal in doing so. Yeah it amazes me how "freedom" has become such an empty word. | ||
Arcadia (arcadia) 4-Laureate Username: arcadia Post Number: 107 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.237.47.105 |
BTW, Morgan, I'm feeling your commentary. BIG TIME! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! Arcadia (Message edited by Arcadia on September 22, 2004) | ||
Emmett (j_wirt) 2-Debutant Username: j_wirt Post Number: 17 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 4.166.207.216 |
This Cat Stevens story is a good example of how the news cycle works. Newspaper wire services report that anonymous U.S. government officials say that Stevens is �possibly� or �may be� associated with �potential� terrorist groups. That means he is not known to be a member of or associate of terrorist groups, but is suspected of being linked to suspected terrorists. The above is a convoluted description of possibilities. By the time this information gets into the abbreviated broadcast journalism system of local TV newscasts, qualifying words such as �possible� and �potential� are dropped. The local TV station reports that the former pop singer was removed from a plane entering the U.S. because he is associated with terrorist groups. No qualifying words there. Millions of people don�t read newspapers, so they hear and see only the short, punchier version of the story. Of course, newspapers are subject to poor editing, too. And then there are mistakes and/or exaggerations. I heard a local TV reporter say that Cat Stevens �recently� changed his name to Yusuf Islam, a Muslim name. In fact, he changed his name in 1977. Most of us don�t consider that a recent event, but the TV news reported it that way, that�s what people see and hear and that�s what they believe. Meanwhile, the whole thing started with what anonymous government officials said they believe, not what they know. (Message edited by j_wirt on September 23, 2004) | ||
Morgan (leeway) 3-Pundit Username: leeway Post Number: 65 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.41.236.206 |
Thanks Arcadia, good to see that someone else feels what i'm saying... I agree Sue, "splitting hairs" big time over the words that Emmett mentioned above (great points Emmet.) Once again, the GOP will use this incident as another marketing tool to play on the fears of the American public. The "T" word (terrorist) and how they're doing all that they can do to keep "them" out of America will be mentioned time and time again. I saw Jon Stewart on t.v today and he said that he feels safer now that we've barred Cat Stevens from the country. Then he said "Now, if only we can get Gordon Lightfoot..." LOL | ||
jim cheers (cheerful1) 2-Debutant Username: cheerful1 Post Number: 30 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 24.239.93.153 |
i'll try and put this as p.c. as i can... are the "suicide bombers" of the muslim faith?...are the terrorist that took over and killed the "hundreds of children" in moscow of the muslim faith?..the thousands of "people" slaughtered in the sudan, were they of the "christian" faith, and if so who slaughtered them?... for some reason I have the "strong desire" to go back to the story of Abraham and the two sons "Ishmael and Isaac" (things that make you go Hmmmmm) and one other question, does the land that the palestinians want from israel actually is the land that god said was part of the "promised land?.. please help me understand this. | ||
Bong-Man (bongman) 2-Debutant Username: bongman Post Number: 25 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.148.123.128 |
The man is not a U.S. citizen. He donated money, maybe unkowingly, to charities that eventually reached the hands of terrorists. He also associates with a radical mosque in England with known terrorist ties. These days...that gets you a ticket to stay home. Not all terrorist supporters carry machine guns and fly planes into buildings. Instead of always questioning the Government (like I believe his Brother ?), Majick-Cat can just stay home as far as I'm concerned. | ||
bluerhythmbass (bluerhythmbass) 2-Debutant Username: bluerhythmbass Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 192.55.140.2 |
It sounds to me like the bottom line is that if you are not a US citizen then it should be the right of our government not to let you in for reasons it deems necessary to protect our country. Perhaps if we had not let in the people that were "terrorists" who were not US citizens either, after checking their backgrounds, we may not have lost all the people in those terrorist acts.......just because Cat Stevens was a musician in his past does not mean he is beyond becoming a terrorist of some sort or a spy? It has been said that the successful terrorists are the one's you least expect to be one! Would we expect Cat Stevens to be a terrorist? probably not and he could easily come into the country and plant a bomb somewhere........just food for thought....... | ||
Emmett (j_wirt) 2-Debutant Username: j_wirt Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 209.215.117.4 |
The story/link below from a British newspaper contains quotes from Stevens himself. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/ story/0,12271,1311162,00.html | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 637 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
I used to love to fly on an airplane. I haven't been on a plane since before nine-eleven, nor have I been across the border. I believe they targeted this guy because he was well known. It's good public perception. However, whatever it takes to make us "feel" safer. Now, what are they doing to Elton John. I just saw his lips saying to the security people "F---You." (Message edited by sis on September 23, 2004) (Message edited by sis on September 23, 2004) | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 250 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.210.25.200 |
SisDetroit, I just caught the tail in on the radio of the announcer saying "Elton John threw a temper tamtrum at a Taiwan Airport." | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 705 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.37.254.198 |
Yo what's up with THIS? I read this on AOL and I am STUNNED! | ||
SisDetroit (sis) 6-Zenith Username: sis Post Number: 641 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.43.206.95 |
Tony Russi - I see they are harassing our guy, Elton John. I guess he told them. They won't bother him again. Graham - (If you read this thread.) Wasn't he in your town? Did you go to the show? | ||
DenvrMotownLvr (john) 1-Arriviste Username: john Post Number: 8 Registered: 5-2004 Posted From: 24.9.226.3 |
Bong-Man, BlueRhythmBass, I wonder if you would be so cavalier about this situation if an American was not allowed to enter some country based their alleged "association", "contribution", etc., with a terrorist (or some other) group. Sure it's our right, but all we know is what the government tells us, and it might come as a suprise to you, but they don't alway tell us the truth. If they have some concrete information about his contributions to terrorist organizations, why don't they provide us with some proof. (hopefully it's not the same "proof" that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraqi. Oh, I know, "it might jeapordize national security", or "we have credible information that _______ (fill in the blank)", catch all phrases to get you to believe anything they tell you, without having to prove anything at all. It always amazes me how easily people can be manipulated and not even know it. This kind of stuff shows you how all this talk about "freedom", "innocent until proven guilty", "democracy" are just words without any meaning. When put to the test, you find out there are some of us that don't believe this at all. | ||
Cool Ju (cool_ju) 4-Laureate Username: cool_ju Post Number: 112 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
"...i'll try and put this as p.c. as i can... are the "suicide bombers" of the muslim faith?...are the terrorist that took over and killed the "hundreds of children" in moscow of the muslim faith?..the thousands of "people" slaughtered in the sudan, were they of the "christian" faith, and if so who slaughtered them?... for some reason I have the "strong desire" to go back to the story of Abraham and the two sons "Ishmael and Isaac" (things that make you go Hmmmmm) and one other question, does the land that the palestinians want from israel actually is the land that god said was part of the "promised land?.. please help me understand this...." All horrible but even all of this pales in comparison to atrocities commited by Western Christians in the name of Jesus during that last 500 years. Genocides, Slavery, etc. Explain this. There are good Muslims and bad Muslims. Good Christians and bad Christians. You are oversimplifying what's happening and trying to explain it as prophecy (Abraham, Issac, Ishmeal) is naive. I say all of the nutty extremists of different persuasions (Muslim, Christian, Neo-cons, etc) should be put on an island and let them exterminate each other. | ||
Gary (gary) 5-Doyen Username: gary Post Number: 192 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.73.238.2 |
Cool Ju...my sentiments exactly. Very well said. | ||
Bong-Man (bongman) 2-Debutant Username: bongman Post Number: 27 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Bong-Man, BlueRhythmBass, I wonder if you would be so cavalier about this situation if an American was not allowed to enter some country based their alleged "association", "contribution", etc., with a terrorist (or some other) group. Happens all the time. Every nation has the right to decide who enters their country. It is a priveledge to cross an international border...not a right. (hear that George ?) I would just like to add that I personally have nothing against Cat Stevens. He was a very talented songwriter, and I have many of his albums. Much of his work is a reflection of the personal quest he was on while exploring his own religious beliefs. He was an absolutely huge artist in the 70's. He found his inner peace through Islam, and abandoned his recording career. That's a very powerful thing to do, and I respect him for that. If some of you are unfamiliar with Cat's music, I urge you to rent his DVD from the 77' tour. His performance shines big-time. As for conspiracy theories, "Bong-Man" don't buy into them as a general rule. Just because a piece of the puzzle is missing doesn't mean I automatically think the worst. It was a plane that hit the Pentagon, Jimmy Hoffa's body wasn't shipped anywhere, and we did land on the Moon. **Just Passin' Thru** | ||
jim cheers (cheerful1) 3-Pundit Username: cheerful1 Post Number: 33 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 24.239.93.153 |
The"Explanation" is also given by the Lord Jesus Christ when he said and I quote.."your fight is NOT against flesh and blood,but against PRINCIPALITIES, RULERS OF DARKNESS, AND SPIRITUAL WICKEDNESS IN HIGH PLACES".. I for one also do not subscribe to your indicated belief that "PROPHESY" is a Christian Myth, to the contrary it is in fact an indisputable TRUTH that has been proven throughout time.It does take a very DARK HEART to commit the atrocities that have taken place throughout man's history on earth,and there is a very prominent SPIRIT of deceit and darkness roaming the earth. be not blind to it, be aware that it does exist. | ||
Bong-Man (bongman) 2-Debutant Username: bongman Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Amen...now pass the potatos ! | ||
FrankM (frankm) 2-Debutant Username: frankm Post Number: 29 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 81.154.189.104 |
Here's Yusef Islam's staement and I'm taking a guess here but I think they mistook him for someone with a similar name. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/ story/0,12271,1312256,00.html | ||
Bong-Man (bongman) 3-Pundit Username: bongman Post Number: 35 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
Lol...One would think an Islamic terrorist could think of a different name to use than "Islam". | ||
jim cheers (cheerful1) 3-Pundit Username: cheerful1 Post Number: 34 Registered: 7-2004 Posted From: 24.239.93.153 |
sorry bong-man,...outta 'taters..but we do got peas..and whut piece of chicken you want? | ||
Bong-Man (bongman) 3-Pundit Username: bongman Post Number: 36 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 198.111.56.128 |
After givings thanks, my Father would always say, ...."He who eats the fastest gets the mostest...now please pass the potatos !" | ||
bigdaddyg2k4 (bigdaddyg2k4) 4-Laureate Username: bigdaddyg2k4 Post Number: 91 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.138.55.124 |
Muslims are not the enemy folks, its the people who have murderous thoughts and motives along with hatred in their hearts for their fellow man who are the real enemies. Remember, when the Oklahoma City tragedy happened, law enforcement and us citizens were quick to point the finger to the Muslims for the attack (still fresh from the event from the 1st WTC attack in '93), but was proven corrected quickly when Timothy McVeigh and that Nichols guy WERE the ones responsible for the terrorist attack. American citizens and WHITE. So, to think that the artist formerly known as Cat Stevens was coming to America to attack us, shows us that the government and the media are quick to judge him and others like him in a unfair and untrue light. It is totally ridiculous to think that all Muslims are terrorists, that's like saying all black folks are crackheads, gangbangers, mongrels and savages; or white folks are out to destroy the entire minority race in achiving a aryan race society. We adults should use our better judgement in seperating the facts from fiction. Take a good look at the judicial system and you will see what lies and deception can do to innocent people. Innocent people are rotting in prison as we speak because some "witness" or procecutor has lied or hid evidence for the reason of putting somebody behind bars for life, or worse, on death row. DNA evidence has proven just for those wronged by those individuals, and as a result, wasted half of their lives because for the simple fact that someone has lied or decieved in opposite of the truth. This post-9/11 world has gotten us at edge than ever before, and this Cat Stevens situation has REALLY gotten out of hand. Another reason why Bush has got to go come November 2nd. Innocent people are paying a unnecessary price because someone else's stupidity and misinformation, when it should never be in the first place. We just need to really use our heads, and just think! God didn't give us brains just as an accessory folks, it's there for a reason. Cat Stevens has gotten a bad rap for nothing. fave albums: Tea For The Tillerman (1971) Teaser And The Firecat (1971) Catch Bull At Four (1972) Buddah And The Chocolate Box (1974) Numbers (1975)* Izitso (1977)* Back To Earth (1978)* *all three albums were packaged together as a limited-edition collection from Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab a few years ago. "Tea For The Tillerman" was also availible from MFSL. fave singles: Peace Train Oh, Very Young Another Saturday Night Morning Has Broken Wild World Father And Son Trivia: the Carly Simon hit "Anticipation" was written as a result of her concert date with Cat Stevens. | ||
Destruction (destruction) 6-Zenith Username: destruction Post Number: 424 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 199.173.225.25 |
Jim Cheers, Ephesians 6:12 My second all time fave Bible quote....even had it on a t-shirt. | ||
Mark Speck (mark_speck) 5-Doyen Username: mark_speck Post Number: 221 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 63.188.137.0 |
I'll second what Big Daddy has said...I think Cat got a bad rap for relatively nothing. I am a fan of his music, always was. Very calming, relaxing stuff. Jon Stewart made a Gordon Lightfoot joke, eh? Interesting...both Howard Stern and David Letterman mentioned Lightfoot as well when they were goofing on Stevens/Islam. Seems that no humorist can look at this mess without mentioning the name(s) of many other '70s pop stars. Best, Mark | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 674 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.134 |
He did a big ol tap dance last night on 20/20 per "unknowingly "funding terrorist organizations, and refused to answer funding Palestinian groups who may use terrorist methods apparently. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. |
