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  BigSexee (mzmusik) 1-Arriviste Username: mzmusik Post Number: 10 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.74 |
I was told that it was broadcast on tv that Rick was poisoned. Please someone tell me that it wasn't true!!!!!!!!!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2400 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi BigSexee, I don't know about that one. Regarding the "poisoned" referral, they may have been talking about the Chappelle TV spoof of Rick James, which can be downloaded from a site named "Poisoned". Here's the link to the "poisoned" reference: http://www.carpeaqua.com/archi ves/2004/06/10/im_rick_james_b itch.php Now, here is the latest OFFICIAL info, from the toxicology report, which was disclosed by the coroner yesterday: It was reported that his autopsy disclosed that there were 9 different drugs found in his system. That wouldn't be at all unusual, given his medical history. From the drugs listed, Rick was obviously dealing with some serious physical discomfort. Unfortunately, in addition to his prescribed drugs, they also found cocaine & methamphetamine in his system. They conclude that neither were of sufficient levels to cause death. However, the combination of all of the drugs, could have lead to heart failure. His death is still listed as being caused by a heart attack. One would think it not prudent to mix the drugs cited with other drugs such as Vicodin & Valium. What can one say about this? What it comes down to is that he chose to live his life the way that he wanted to. In the end, that seems to be the sum total of this. For info about this, here's a few links to info released per the coroners report: http://www.mtv.com/news/articl es/1491032/20040917/james_rick .jhtml?headlines=true http://www.nme.com/news/109911 .htm http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBI Z/Music/09/16/rick.james.reut/ And this from the AP, as reported by the N.Y. Times: http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin e/arts/AP-People-Rick-James.ht ml As always, there are some who look for conspiracist theories. Here's one that a bit too way out for even me to understand, brought to you by the Underground News Network: http://www.unn13.com/RickJames .html That's about all of the up-to-the-minute info that I could find. I hope that this helps  (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 18, 2004) | ||
zebop (zebop) 4-Laureate Username: zebop Post Number: 133 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Yeah sounds like Rick had a full load in him. Good lord, that's a lot of drugs and with his existing conditions, Rick shouldn't have been doing nothing like cocaine and methaphatines--can't spell tonight (Message edited by zebop on September 18, 2004) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2403 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
I forgot to add that the coroner also referred to the cause of death as being "ACCIDENTAL". This leads one to assume that the combination of drugs in his system lead to his demise. I guess that we'll never know if it would have ended differently, without the non-prescribed medicines. It appears that physically, Rick was in a very bad state. Given his overall physical problems & the prescription drugs involved, this could have happened on any given day. | ||
zebop (zebop) 4-Laureate Username: zebop Post Number: 134 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
I forgot about the accidental part to, Juice. I was on another board, trying to make sense of this--I don't think there's any sense to be had about this. I suspected that Rick was doing other stuff--he just didn't look right or particularily sober... I was surprised, yet not shocked at the news. Rick looked bad at that awards show, a far cry from his appearence on VH1's Behind The Music and other recent interviews. I guess we've should have known something was up with his recent speeches about cocaine and just acting weird. It's a shame. | ||
BigSexee (mzmusik) 2-Debutant Username: mzmusik Post Number: 11 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.74 |
Thanks for all the information. You took a load off my mind. I thought there was foul play. I did read in our newspaper that an unknown sourse said that he saw Rick Valentines day in L.A at a club and he was sitting at the table with a mound of cocaine in front of him and told this souce, to join in and enjoy himself. This kind of stuff is to be expected, Rick's not here to defend himself and if he was, he would just tell it like it is. He did just like Martin Lawrence said, he RODE THIS M.F UNTIL THE WHEELS FELL OFF!!!!!!! | ||
Arcadia (arcadia) 4-Laureate Username: arcadia Post Number: 102 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.237.47.242 |
Rick James had a pace maker, suffered a stroke, was diagnosed with diabetes and had hip replacement surgery. That's a lot for one person. It was just Rick's time to go. It is my opinion that he will live on as a music icon. RIP Rick. Arcadia | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2410 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Zebop & BigSexee, That's pretty much it. I think that you've both nailed it pretty good. Hi Arcadia, I think that you're on the money there. I've seen what diabetes & a bad heart can do all by their lonesome. When you combine the two.....WHEW!!! Rick was pretty young to have to deal with so many health problems. It must have been really hard for a man of his relatively young age, one used to being vibrant, to have to deal with poor health, which surely slowed him down considerably. I would guess that he figured that he was pretty bad off, probably in pain much of the time & just decided to do what made him feel good. If that's true, I can only hope that he found a measure of comfort & that he was free of pain. Diabetes & a bad heart are some real mothers to live with. Then, there's the medicines that damage your organs & sap you of your strength & vitality. May God bless Rick, only Rick knows what he was going through & what he felt. The more that I learn of his various ailments, the more I feel for Rick. Some may say that his problems were self-inflicted & that may be factual. However, I seriously doubt that he was thinking, "Oh let me do these things that are going to damage my heart & mess up my health". Unfortunately, once the damage is done, it's done. It's too late to do anything about it. Hopefully, there'll be some youngster, or an adult, who can learn from this & perhaps avoid treading down the same path. I sure hope so. As far as Rick living on as an icon....you can bet that he will. At tonight's concert at The Beacon, the MC acknowledged Ricks' passing & the audience gave tremendous applause at the very mention of Ricks' name. He won't be forgotten & will always be loved! | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 6-Zenith Username: ~medusa Post Number: 729 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.252.12.169 |
My Gramma used to tell me: "Sista, If you take care of yourself when you're young, when you get old, it will take care of you" with that being said...lots of folks don't realize what they do & how they live when they're young, will certainly pay off when thet're older(unless it's hereditary)...in other words...it catches up with you, in later years. There was a patient at my job, diagnosed with Lung cancer...he couldn't understand it, because he stated that he'd stopped smoking 10 years ago. What he didn't realize is that...He'd been smoking for about 25 or 30 years, so the damage was done during that time. Those 10 years of not smoking didn't compare to all the years he did smoke. Some of our health problems may be induced by our choice of lifestyle. In these days and times, there is so much information out there on how to live healthy, but I like to cook and I like to eat. ...well, we gotta eat to live..RIGHT ???? (LOL) | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2416 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Medusa, You're 100% correct & your Gramma sure didn't lie! We do damage to ourselves & after we stop whatever it is that we're doing, it may already be too late. Me, I smoke & drink Pepsi. I sometimes feel the effects of the cigarettes, but it's so damn hard to stop. At present, I'm healthy but, I do worry about the aftermath. I get so angry at the non-smoking laws here in N.Y. Part of my anger comes from frustration, part of the anger comes from being viewed as something worse than a child molester. Mostly, I'm angry at a government who deems cigarette smoke to be so dangerous, that it needs to be outlawed. Yet, these same bunch of hypocrites have a problem with people who smoke marijuana in their homes & have no problem collecting blood money (read taxes) from these dangerous, deadly killer cigarettes. Then, they raise the prices, saying that it's to dissuade people from smoking.....RIGHT!!! These same hypocrites have no problem selling liquor & collecting taxes on it & selling liquor licenses to club owners. I guess that they haven't heard about the ravages of alcoholism, nor of the countless people who have been killed or maimed, or the families that have been destroyed due to this very LEGAL mind altering DRUG!! I sure as hell wish that they had a logical answer for this!!! | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 5-Doyen Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 203 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.198.38 |
If one has ever held the hand of a person (your mother) as they drown in their lung secretions from lung cancer ... Those last 12 hours are beyond description. Screw the government and screw the hypocrites. What will it take to get everybody to quit smoking???? And please don't tell me how hard it is. I KNOW and so do millions of other successful stoppers. And with every cigarette I do NOT smoke, I laugh because that's less tax the government gets from me! | ||
~medusa~ (~medusa) 6-Zenith Username: ~medusa Post Number: 731 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 68.250.41.135 |
...Juice, I think that's what's called talking with a Fork tongue..(LOL) #1)says cigarette (smoking) is habitforming & bad for you health, may cause birth defects and may cause Lung Cancer(or something similiar)...and then they go on to say: Low Tar & Nicotine, some cigarettes are called 'Lite', some hae filters etc...and then they clain to raise the price to help stifle the smoking population. ok, they already know it's habit forming and folks will not be able to stop cold turkey. My thing is,if they "REALLY" wanted to protect the American people from the bad outcomes of cigarette smoking, then just stop making & selliing them. Ah, but we know better than that don't we? Like they claim to be in the process of Drug busting...yeah in the neighborhoods, but not at the Borders etc. Poor folks didn't bring Drugs in the country...but it's the poor folks that get habits and constantly support the BIG Drug dealers. If they can send a man to the moon, they can stop whatever they want, but it;'s all about $$$. I don't smoke, and I may take a dring on New Year Eve, but Ido have a bad habit of eating a lot, so I know how it feels to stop something you've been doing a lot. It aint easy, it may not be good for you, but it's good to you, and it feels so damn good when you do it. (smile). Heaven help us all. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2422 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi Linda, Your points are well taken. However, let me add this: the ravages of cirrohosis of the liver caused by alcohol, which is legal, is no pretty sight either. If you can give me any tips on quitting, I'd greatly appreciate it. I have to say that I absolutely despise it when people willingly smoke & then try to sue the tobacco companies. I assume full responsibility for my own stupidity, they put no cigarettes in my mouth. I used to get on my mother about smoking. Less than 6 years later, My dumb ass started smoking at around 18 years of age. Would you like to know my stupid reason for starting?? Basically, it comes down to this: I was just starting out DJing at a pretty hot club. The place was full of women, FINE WOMEN. Now, I was just getting ready to graduate from High School. I didn't drive a car, as a student, I wasn't earning enough money to wine a dine a full-grown woman. However, I was cute, in a simian sort of way & had a deep voice. I was learning to DJ & was a pretty good dancer in those Disco days of 1978. Since money WAS an object & I wasn't into drink or drugs, I figured that I'd complete my package of coolness by chilling in the club smoking cigarettes. I figured that I'd have the aura of an older guy & be more appealing to those older women. Was I a genius or what? Smoking to look cool for the ladies! It turns out that I would have conected with them, cigarette or not. And to think that I used to hate the smell of cigarettes...What an idiot! So, I guess that I should turn around & sue someone, because I chose to smoke. In spite of the fact that the package tells us that it's harmful for your health, we still made the conscious decision to do so. I blame us, not them. Medusa: That's the side of the coin that I do have a problem with. The mixed message that the gov't sends out. They're like the Black man who complains about the White man, while selling drugs to, or robbing other Blacks. Basically, it's hypocritical & it's blood money. Any "RIGHTEOUS" & caring government would not seek to benefit from blood money, now would they? How can one condemn a habit, yet reap millions, if not billions of dollars for taxing the sales of said "dangerous" habit?? Why not outlaw it like any other illicit drug like cocaine or marijuana?? Because they're hypocritical B.S. artists. The only reason why they haven't legalized these drugs is that they can't slip that one past the moralists. They also wouldn't be able to get their damn under the table kickbacks. Not to mention the fact that the drug trade helps to keep many lawyers, judges, correction officers, counselors & prison employees gainfully employed. Hell, drugs are an industry unto itself & MANY "MORAL" people benefit from their sale, legal or not. The prison population would be reduced at least 50% overnight if drugs were legalized. There would be a decrease in drug turf wars & the consequent mayhem. What would they do with all of the folks I've named if they were to legalize it? Don't get me wrong, I hate drugs with a passion. However, I feel that if a person has the right to potentially ruin their lives with drink & smoke, they should have the right to ruin their health with coke or marijuana as well. All of them are drugs & can damage your health. The difference is that they say that cigarette smoke is hazardous to OTHER PEOPLES HEALTH. As such, they shouldn't collect one penny from its sales. If they acknowlege that cigarettes are that damn dangerous, they should outlaw it, plain & simple. I'll say this, I never heard of a people being maimed by a driver who was driving under the influence of a Newport! Bunch of damn hypocrites is what they are!! | ||
Nosey (nosey) 5-Doyen Username: nosey Post Number: 272 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Juice, my mama quit after smoking 60 years. What made her quit was seeing someone get on the bus with a portable oxygen tank and didn't want that to be her fate. I know this sound simplistic but she said she prayed and asked God to take the taste out of her mouth and do you know, she was instantly delivered and has not desired a cigarette in 4 years. So Juice, my mama would say just pray about it. | ||
Arcadia (arcadia) 4-Laureate Username: arcadia Post Number: 103 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 4.237.47.35 |
Linda, your post really touched me. Here's a tight hug (((Linda))). Well said Juice and Medusa. My doctor told me the next slice of Junior's world famous Cheesecake (corner of Flatbush Avenue and DeKalb) would be **my** "poison". What's a cheesecake lovin girl to do???? Arcadia | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2427 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Nosey: Thanks a lot for the sage advice. Now, that's something that I could really try to do Arcadia: Thanks! By the way, don't say that. Please don't say that. After I got back from the show at The Beacon this morning, I stopped off at Juniors & got a small strawberry cheesecake | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 5-Doyen Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 204 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.198.38 |
As a diabetic, I had no choice but to quit smoking. The combination is lethal. Plus my mom had quit a year earlier and inspired me. Yes, she quit and still got lung cancer, although the oncologist said it was matasticized (SP?) from breast cancer and did not originate in her lungs. Doesn't matter because the dying and death are the same. She begged me not to ever take up smoking again. There were other incidents that all added up to my decision. I remember being in a hotel room late one night with about 6 cigarettes left. I panicked -- what if I ran out before I checked out? There was no cigarette machine in the hotel!! I was nothing more than a modern day slave to the tobacco companies. Juice, I went to a psychologist who used hypnosis. I had 3 sessions and haven't had a cigarette since. This guy is not a "hotel hypnotist." He was, at the time, head of psychology at a university medical center here and he actually hypnotizes people who can't withstand general anesthesia for surgery. He met with me once and took an indepth history of my smoking. Then he personalized the hypnosis for me. When I "came to" I felt like 5 minutes had passed (it was 45 minutes) and had just had the best massage in the world. It was soooo relaxing, and I was fully aware of everything around me. By the way, I gained less than 5 pounds when I quit my THREE PACK A DAY habit. Since then I've lost about 30-40 pounds (to combat the diabetes) and finally now feel like I have control over my health (obviously with the Lord in complete control). Even with the hypnosis, it was difficult. There were a few times I literally dropped to my knees in prayer. It sounds dramatic, but it's what happens. And I'd pray not to give in, and HE gave me the strength to continue. An addiction is an addiction, no matter if it's cheesecake, cigarettes, alcohol, sex, M&Ms. It's tough, but it's doable. Some former smokers enjoy the smell of cigarettes. I ain't one of them. When somebody comes by me with the smell of cigarette smoke, do you know what I want to do? Fart ... the loudest smelliest fart I can muster up. And say to them, "how do you like that? Now we both stink." You can't even imagine how much I hate the smell. Don't get caught up in the fairness of what the government does or doesn't do about smoking or anything. You got one thing to worry about, and one thing only. YOUR health. The government doesn't give two craps about you or me. That's a given. But it ain't no reason to destroy your own health. Just set a date and do it. | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Good points Linda. I'd like to say too, you can't say you're "generally healthy" just because you get up in the morning and walk around without falling down. Look at Bill Clinton. He passed all his heart stress tests. The doctors said, with heart disease, its ravages are slow and silent. You can pass treadmill tests for years before any of it shows up. He would have had to have angioplasty to reveal all those veins plugged up ... | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 5-Doyen Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 205 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.198.38 |
Sue -- I understand completely. I just feel a bit more in control of my own health now. Hopefully I've quit all the bad stuff in time, but ya just never know. And you're right. Without an angiogram, you don't know what's cooking in there. | ||
Sue (sue) 5-Doyen Username: sue Post Number: 189 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Linda, Actually I was chiding Juice a bit, not you. He's the one who hasn't quit smoking yet! And he said he's generally healthy. I don't think you can say that if you're middle-aged, and smoke. Unfortunately a few get by and keep smoking into their old age, but even they get busted and the deaths that relate to smoking are not pretty. I had a cousin die of lung cancer, so I saw that up close as well. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2434 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Linda, Thank you very much for your words of advice. No, what you said doesn't sound overly dramatic at all. When you consider what's at stake, it's not overly dramatic at all. I know that it's hard, I wish that I could do it like my mother did. She woke up in the middle of the night to get a cigarette, didn't have any & said to herself, "Oh that's right, I'm not smoking anymore" & she never looked back. That was in 1985 & her incentive was the fact that her husband had suffered a massive heart attack the year before. She figured that her quitting would help aid in his recovery. Thank you for your kind encouragement Sue, Your words are taken seriously. I've had the precautionary tests: stress, dye injected into my veins & placed under the old scanner to see if there were any blockages. I didn't go because I felt bad, I went because both of my parents developed blockages when the were in their late 60s to early 70s. I also have elevated cholesterol. These factors make me a prime candidate & now that I'm 44, I wanted to know just what was going on. In one of those ironies that you only seem to find in the movies, my mothers' doctor in 2002, turned out to be the same doctor who treated her husband back in 1984. Now, he's my doctor as well. Fortunately, there was nothing found. I've always been pretty active & am not a huge eater. However, I've heard countless stories of people who have passed tests with flying colors, only to leave the doctors' office & collapse while turning the corner. The thought terrifies me. So, instead of feeling rebellious & being angry with the anti-smoking folks, it would be wiser for me to figure out a way to stop smoking. Chide on, I appreciate it!!! | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 908 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.78.27.224 |
Cause of death was due to an enlarge heart..period | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 5-Doyen Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 207 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 165.170.128.65 |
Absolutely true. We're discussing possible contributing factors, in the spirit of helping each other get as healthy as possible. | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 690 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.37.254.198 |
Yo Rick had a lot going on in his body and I guess the body got tired... Still missing him... | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 5-Doyen Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 212 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.198.38 |
Juice -- when you are ready and you WANT to quit, you will. The key is wanting to. Any method will work for you then. So my advice is to keep praying about it. You'll be a non-smoker soon - I know you will. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2463 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Thank you Linda, I appreciate the positive words & vibes Your words have just inspired me to write a song.... (ahem) She belieeeeeves in me..... Oh, someone's already done that one Well, OKAY!!! Thanks again Linda! | ||
Tenyu (tenyu) 1-Arriviste Username: tenyu Post Number: 2 Registered: 9-2004 Posted From: 69.201.129.151 |
Hey Juice, Quitting cold turkey's great if it doesn't prevent you from doin business; dropping the habit gradually can be easier if you switch to rolling your own tobacco, you'll find out you're not addicted to the nicotine as much as all the other chemicals you're smoking. Living in the city, it's tough to find proper tobacco but even the common Drum or Samson works well. Tastes weird at first, but much better after adjusting. I'd say stay away from chewing gum as an aid because it's all sugarfree these days and are established carcinogens themselves: phenalakyline or something like that. peace, btw, I've been reading the board; this forum is the soulshiznle! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2477 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Welcome aboard Tenyu!! Thanks for the additional info. I appreciate your help. BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!! | ||
Linda Di. (linda_di_fsg) 5-Doyen Username: linda_di_fsg Post Number: 216 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 66.67.198.38 |
Never you mind, Mr. Juice. Cold turkey, baby!! | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2506 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Thank yo Linda! I'm humbled by your faith in my ability to do so!! | ||
Wonder B (wonder_b) 6-Zenith Username: wonder_b Post Number: 714 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 193.253.226.196 |
Juice my Pops stopped cold turkey last January after the doctor told him if he didn't he would only have 6 months to live... He woke up one morning and his leg was hurting so bad he could stand on his feet (and at 76 years old my father plays tennis 2 hours every day like crazy always at noon cos' it makes him sweat a lot and that's what he likes!) They had to remove clots in his leg artery (with little balloons) which could have got back to the heart, and the artery was abnormally rigid because of smoking. THat's what the Doc said that to my father... My father knew all along and all those years that it was lethal but could never quit even though he tried so many times; I must add that he was smoking 2 1/2 packs a day of french cigarettes ('Gitanes' if one here knows about this brand, the strongest dark tobacco cigarettes and without filter! Those would make any blond cigarette smoker cough for an hour LOL) since the age of 17... He hasn't touched one cigarette since... It's just an example because no one is the same in front of this addiction, but the spirit of it can help you do it perhaps... WOnder B | ||
Don (don) 6-Zenith Username: don Post Number: 929 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.75.56.119 |
Since the 6th of august I still don't believe it. | ||
Lady Mystique (ladymystique) 6-Zenith Username: ladymystique Post Number: 726 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 216.37.254.198 |
Don...I am with you on that. |
