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C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
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Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 22
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.72.118
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 1:46 pm: �� |   ��� |
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C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
2-Debutant
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 23
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.72.118
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 2:08 pm: �� | ��� |
There were Funk Brothers and Sisters all over Detroit in the 60's. In my opinion Lou Beatty put out some really great stuff. As far as I know he had the La Beat, Mary Jane, and Rambler labels. His house band, the LPT'S really laid down some great backing tracks for classics such as:"Baby Don't You Weep", "This Won't Change", "I Am Nothing", "Mojo Man", and many others. I just talked with Ron Murphy about his knowledge of the La Beat operation. I'm sure Ron will offer his information in this thread. I met Nelson Sanders through Joe Moorehouse. I'm sure Joe will add something to this thread about La Beat. I'm pretty sure Graham talked to Edward Hamilton, Fred Bridges, and others who had La Beat connections. David, did Fred Bridges have anything to say about Lou Beatty/La Beat? I wonder where Curtis Trusel, Johnny Mills, Lester Tipton, Al Williams, and others are? If you have not heard anything from this label I highly suggest that you track it down. Hey Graham.......I'm still looking for that box of La Beat records. With Christmas approaching fast I'll take that copy of Lester Tipton that is on ebay RIGHT NOW! |
C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
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Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 24
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.0.204
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 3:37 pm: �� | ��� |
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Robb_K (robb_k)
6-Zenith
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 535
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.150.190
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:13 pm: �� | ��� |
Eric: Sad to say, Lester Tipton is has passed on, many years ago. He was a good friend of one of my business partners at Airwave. Lester was amazed when he found out "This Won't Change" was a hit in UK, and was worth a lot of money. He had NO copies of the record!
I believe that Cool School was also a Lou Beatty label. I believe he also had strong connections to a few other labels in NY and Florida, where he placed Edward Hamilton recordings. |
Tony.C. (tonyc)
3-Pundit
Username: tonyc
Post Number: 59
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.32.12
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:15 pm: �� | ��� |
also amongst Lou,s set up was the label-Cool School with tracks by Don Hart(who of course also recorded with James Shorter on La Beat). |
Tony.C. (tonyc)
3-Pundit
Username: tonyc
Post Number: 60
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.32.12
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:18 pm: �� | ��� |
Robb K.------SNAP!!!!SAME INFO 2 MINUTES APART BUDDY. |
David Meikle (david_meikle)
5-Doyen
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 389
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 4:57 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Eric
We toured Detroit in July with Fred Bridges and stopped off at the site of LaBeat where Fred provided lots of info, new to me, on this important label.
All will be revealed in our next webisode which should commence November due to Mike Hank's story being extended to 3 parts. |
C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
2-Debutant
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 25
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.0.204
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 5:08 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks for reminding me about Cool School! I believe I may even have one or two of them. |
Graham Finch (acooolcat)
5-Doyen
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 209
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.229
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 14, 2004 - 8:24 pm: �� | ��� |
Hi Eric, and thanks for introducing a great topic.
I was listening to my interview with Melvin Davis just the other day and he emphasized that he was with James Hendrix and Carrie Records - on 14th Street - before it was called LaBeat. So were quite a few others, including Edward Hamilton and The Arabians.
I will quote Melvin in the second part of Mike Hanks' story as he was at D-Town and Carrie at the same time.
And as David intimated - Mike's story is turning into a bit of an epic and will now be 3 parts, not 2 as originally planned. I've still got to finish it!
Anyway... A great song on the Cool School label is "Soldier Coming Home." But I think Carrie is where this story originates and I'm really looking forward to David's webisode. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 855
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.43.74.85
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 2:11 am: �� | ��� |
Looki g forward to the ext webisode fellas
mel |
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy)
4-Laureate
Username: ron_murphy
Post Number: 152
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.42.90.140
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 5:19 am: �� | ��� |
here is a couple of pictures that go along with this topic.
the 1st one shows Mr. Lou Beatty standing in front of LaBeat's offices and studio, the studio was located downstairs in the left side corner and a musican's dromedary was up on the 2nd floor
the 2nd picture shows Lou Beatty on the far right giving instructions to vocalist Johnny Mills and three other masqueraders during a session.
the studio had 2 Crown 2 track recorders and some Bogan mixers along with a dozen or so mikes, now before the 67 riots Mr. Beatty purchased a half-inch 4 track recorder but during the riots all the equipment went wheeling down 14th street and that was pretty much the end of LaBeat.
the photos were taken in December 1966.
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Juicefree20 (juicefree20)
6-Zenith
Username: juicefree20
Post Number: 2371
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 24.46.184.162
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 5:59 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks for starting this thread C Bell. I never heard of these labels before. Thanks to everyone who's passed on some info here. This is all brand new to me! |
Robb_K (robb_k)
6-Zenith
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 536
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.151.20
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 4:41 pm: �� | ��� |
I'll be interested to hear the exact history of the relationship between James Hendrix and Lou Beatty, their labels, and also that of them to the artists who recorded for both (Like Edward Hamilton, Arabians and a few others). I'd also like to find out about Lanrod, Le Mans and Jameco, and the ownership/lease/distribution deals there.
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
5-Doyen
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 390
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 15, 2004 - 4:49 pm: �� | ��� |
Fantastic images Ron.
Thanks a million. |
David Meikle (david_meikle)
5-Doyen
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 391
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 62.252.128.19
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 4:34 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks to Graham for this image of Nelson Sanders
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Graham Finch (acooolcat)
5-Doyen
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 211
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 1:33 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks David - this ad refers to Nelson's 45 on the local Petcol label. |
C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
2-Debutant
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.0.187
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 2:09 pm: �� | ��� |
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C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
2-Debutant
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 28
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.0.187
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 2:21 pm: �� | ��� |
Graham - I think the add that you posted above is for the La Beat record. Just think if we could of caught some of those shows!!! Nelson is a really nice guy with a very unique and soulful voice. Charley Bannister used to run a music store in Detroit and gave music lessons. Sadly to say the last time that I heard, Charley is in really bad health. My little brother (16 years old) was taking drum lessons at his Detroit Drum School that he ran out of his house until Charley fell ill. Charley mentioned that he did some drumming for Robert West. I believe that he played on some early Falcons records. Where's Joe on this topic??? |
Graham Finch (acooolcat)
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Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 212
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.226
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 4:18 pm: �� | ��� |
That's right, Eric - I'm losing it here!
Any idea where the name Petcol came from? |
David Meikle (david_meikle)
5-Doyen
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 392
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 81.130.211.124
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 4:48 pm: �� | ��� |
Which year did the Petcol issue appear? |
Tony.C. (tonyc)
3-Pundit
Username: tonyc
Post Number: 61
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.7
| | Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 - 11:20 pm: �� | ��� |
Great to see some of these threads,as Mel will confirm i have collected the rare Detroit labels since 1975:La Beat.Ric-tic.Groovesville,D-tO WN.etc- so to hear about this label is great ?
MEL---go on tell me --Yvonne Vernee came out on this label?----iho |
C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
2-Debutant
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 29
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.90.94
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 1:31 am: �� | ��� |
When I talked to Charley Bannister about his Petcol label he said that it was a name of a restaurant that Nelson Sanders was working at. I would imagine that this record is from about 1965??? Tony C. - As far as I know Yvonne Vernee was on Sonbert. |
Robb_K (robb_k)
6-Zenith
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 545
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.146.41
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 6:01 pm: �� | ��� |
That Petcol records label design and indented pressing lead me to believe that the release was earlier than 1965. From the looks of it, I would have guessed 1962 or 1963 (outside possibility of 1964 or 1965). I can't recall seeing that particular (script) font on a Detroit record after 1963.
Eric, does it sound like 1965? Do you recognise the musicians (Detroit recording?). I assume that the reference to Yvonne Vernee coming out on this label was a joke, right? I don't remember seeing Charley Bannister's name on any other records. Did he produce any other Detroit records (own any other labels?)? |
Graham Finch (acooolcat)
5-Doyen
Username: acooolcat
Post Number: 213
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 210.200.105.225
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 7:47 pm: �� | ��� |
Soulville Publishing released a couple of 45s on the Soul label - after Mike Hanks dropped out of it. They were in 1963 - so maybe this Petcol 45 is from then? |
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy)
4-Laureate
Username: ron_murphy
Post Number: 155
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.42.90.140
| | Posted on Friday, September 17, 2004 - 10:15 pm: �� | ��� |
the Petcol record was pressed in Cinicinati, Ohio by Rite record Productions and the 15337 number refers to Rite's job/invoice numbering system.
Rite was not used by many Detroit labels and rhey went out of business in the mid 1980's, Archer Record Pressing here in Detroit purchased 4 12 inch automatic presses from them and they are still in use today.
Nelson's record on LaBeat as scaned above came out late in 1966, so I would think the Petcol record would not be more than a year or so earlier since Sanders moved to Detroit from the south to try to get signed by Motown and was offered a Motown contract but decided agaist it when told there was no guarantee of a release. |
Robb_K (robb_k)
6-Zenith
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Post Number: 547
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.232.150.188
| | Posted on Saturday, September 18, 2004 - 6:39 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks, Ron. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 872
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.154.240.97
| | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 2:00 am: �� | ��� |
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David Meikle (david_meikle)
5-Doyen
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 397
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 62.252.128.19
| | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 3:05 am: �� | ��� |
Never seen this before Mel.
Nice one. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 885
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.42.211.247
| | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 7:34 pm: �� | ��� |
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mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 886
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.42.211.247
| | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 8:03 pm: �� | ��� |
So where does the
Hem Label that features Edwards etc,material come from.
Is Hem
the same as the Label with The Cashmeres 45
apologies if Hem is totally irreleve t here.
how ma y Fumk 45's
were released for Mary-J.... Records.
I recall
Willie Wilcher.
is Albert Williams also Al Williams.......
who cut a 45 for the Jam Label. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 887
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.42.211.247
| | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 8:20 pm: �� | ��� |
Just realised the Hem 45s
are same label as Epsilo s/Showstoppers....
Lucky Lou records
is this Lou's............... |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 888
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.42.211.247
| | Posted on Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 8:31 pm: �� | ��� |
Theres the Arabia s
with the Carrie 45 of
my 1 possesio ........
Appreciate the 45 umber if possible please.
cheers
mel-wot-a-carrie-chter...... |
Tony.C. (tonyc)
3-Pundit
Username: tonyc
Post Number: 62
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.7
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 12:39 am: �� | ��� |
Mel nice to see a copy of the Arabians Demo on Le Mans as you know i have the far rarer issue,my question is which came out first;
Now you cry alone--Lanrod
I Need shepherds pie-La Jane
You,ve got to help me- Carrie
All superb Detroit 60,s soul.
Love and stuff to all
Tony.C. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 889
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.152.20.84
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 2:03 am: �� | ��� |
Theres the
Clifford Bi s track as well for Carrie
you've got to help me......
had all these pics but all lost.
T.C.
The above 45 from your boxes is the gree Carrie label as you were clocked by various 45 mafioso chaps
swappi g your rarer Ora ge label Carrie 6501 for the cheaper 14 issue for that plus a au t bessie's reet good sheps-pie........
I shall ask you a lil' ol' teaser
as you are aware
the La Beat label was a red back with black/silver letters.....
but which issue came out with the Ora ge label.
Which Mary Ja e 45 was also
released for the label Jam......
as you are also aware matey
the M/J Label shares the same mattrix/etc system for umbers.
the Jam 45 etc was cut about 2 times.....
with the earlier cut was re-issued with stri gs.
thats all folks
T.C. Very easy for you mate
ta ta
regards
M.City-mel |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 890
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.152.20.84
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 2:18 am: �� | ��� |
ps
T.C.
HAS ALL THE DETROIT MATERIAL
OR HAS HAD/STILL HAS THE FULL MATERIAL
WHICH I DO SWEAR BY.........
A Great guy thats a solid collector
from the early/mid 70's........
BUT................
will trade all for sheps/pies........
typical yorkie
regards
mel-red-rose-a-teer |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 891
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.152.20.84
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 2:23 am: �� | ��� |
David
the G/Duckett 45 as far as I am aware
had a few plays over the years.
I heard it quite a while ago
like a lot of the detroit material years ago,it was a very specialised 45 to have.
Remember a MOJO MA
Mr.Sau ders for a fiver.........
mel |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 900
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.154.133.62
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:10 am: �� | ��� |
 Is this a proper issue? |
C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
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Post Number: 32
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.45.179
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:27 am: �� | ��� |
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C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
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Post Number: 33
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.45.179
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:30 am: �� | ��� |
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C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
3-Pundit
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.45.179
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:32 am: �� | ��� |
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C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
3-Pundit
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 35
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.45.179
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:39 am: �� | ��� |
Hey Mel.......Nelson Sanders "Mojo Man" for a fiver??? My copy is whipped but it plays quite well. I love that record. Both sides are really good.
I've posted some Carrie sides as well. Melvin Davis did a great job producing the Edward Hamilton record; a two-sider. The United Sound acetate is Clifford Binns, which is a great Carrie record. |
C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.12.168
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 11:31 am: �� | ��� |
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Ron Murphy (ron_murphy)
4-Laureate
Username: ron_murphy
Post Number: 156
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.42.90.140
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 1:11 pm: �� | ��� |
"It's In My Mind" is a monster soul jam..one of my alltime fave's and the Mike Terry arrangment gives it that special touch...one hell-a-fied heavy duty soul record. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 905
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 81.154.242.227
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 10:32 pm: �� | ��� |
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C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
3-Pundit
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 37
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.183.99
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 21, 2004 - 2:57 am: �� | ��� |
I've been a good boy this year..........I'll take that Al Williams for Christmas too. |
David Meikle (david_meikle)
5-Doyen
Username: david_meikle
Post Number: 400
Registered: 3-2004
Posted From: 62.252.128.19
| | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 4:08 am: �� | ��� |
two from Graham
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Robb_K (robb_k)
6-Zenith
Username: robb_k
Post Number: 548
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 82.217.153.9
| | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 9:01 pm: �� | ��� |
Edward Hamilton really got around! He sang SOLO, was lead of the Arabians and also The Arabains!!! Or is that how they refer to the Arabians in The Ozarks??? |
C Bell/Eric (c_belleric)
3-Pundit
Username: c_belleric
Post Number: 43
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 4.165.0.234
| | Posted on Thursday, October 07, 2004 - 12:30 am: �� | ��� |
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