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steve tish (motown_fan_from_afar)
1-Arriviste
Username: motown_fan_from_afar
Post Number: 1
Registered: 9-2004
Posted From: 80.230.34.96
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 3:03 am: �� |   ��� |
can anyone help with the names of the musicians
on the 1965 British tour, (especially the bass
player and drummer)instead of Benny Benjamin and
James Jamerson)? |
Tony Russi (tony_russi)
5-Doyen
Username: tony_russi
Post Number: 224
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 68.18.50.239
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 3:16 am: �� | ��� |
Earl Van Dyke was there, I think Corneilius Grant was on guitar...I'll have to look at the video again. |
Gary (gary)
4-Laureate
Username: gary
Post Number: 162
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.73.238.3
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 4:16 am: �� | ��� |
Steve...If you're refering to the "Ready Set Go" segment which was filmed in the U.K. during the 1965 tour, Earl Van Dyke and Robert White were the only "card carrying" Funk Bros. that I recognize in the video. As I recall from the video clips, the band was a 6 or 7 piece ensemble with a drummer, bass, guitar, keyboards and 2 or three horns, but I don't recognize anyone other than White and Van Dyke. It's very likely that Marv Tarplin and Cornelius Grant accompanied the Miracles and The Temptations respectively on guitar, but I don't know for sure. I have no clue as to the identity of the other musicians in the video, but I'm sure someone around here will know. |
Phil (phil)
5-Doyen
Username: phil
Post Number: 173
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.36.162.105
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 5:35 am: �� | ��� |
Steve, in his book, Jack Ashford writes "The Motown aggregation consisted of Smokey Robinson, Esther Gordy, Earl Van Dyke, Eli Fontaine, The Temptations, The Supremes, Martha & Vandellas, Ronnie White, Tony Newton, Robert White, Booker Bradshaw, Bob Cousar, Clarence Paul, Stevie Wonder, Beans Bowles, Van Gordon Sauter, Berry Gordy, and Don Foster. This is the tour that "Ready, Steady, Go !" was filmed on"
On the next page, he writes that he shared his room with Eli Fontaine, who was a sax player. I have the video, and I've always wondered : who is the bass player ? |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
5-Doyen
Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 218
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 80.225.154.16
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 6:30 am: �� | ��� |
Phil, it's Tony Newton
Davie |
Phil (phil)
5-Doyen
Username: phil
Post Number: 174
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.36.160.110
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 7:17 am: �� | ��� |
Thanks, Davie, I didn't know those names, Tony Newton, Bob Cousar, Booker Bradshaw, Van Gordon Sauter, Don Foster... |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
5-Doyen
Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 221
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 80.225.154.16
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 8:18 am: �� | ��� |
Bob Cousar if I remember correctly played tenor sax and the others were the brass section.
A few years ago I was in Glasgow's Mitchell Library and got them to dig out their bound volumes of mid-sixties issued of "Melody Maker". I don't know if it would be feasible to photocopy the MM coverage of the 1965 tour - the volumes are
VERY heavy - I'll ask the next time I'm in
although that may not be for a few weeks.
Tony Newton went on to be a founding member of the
8th Day on Invictus - I was kinda surprised to read in the late seventies about the formation of
a hard rock band called G-Force fronted by former Thin Lizzy guitarist Gary Moore which included a bass player called Tony Newton who appears to be the very same guy.
Davie |
Davie Gordon (davie_gordon)
5-Doyen
Username: davie_gordon
Post Number: 222
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 80.225.154.16
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 8:24 am: �� | ��� |
I should have mentioned that Cornelius Grant was definitely on that tour with the Temps - he shows up in some of their photos. I'd imagine Marv Tarplin was there as he was such an integral part of the Miracles.
Davie |
Gary (gary)
4-Laureate
Username: gary
Post Number: 163
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 205.188.116.138
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 10:00 am: �� | ��� |
Davie and Phil..thanks for your excellent (as usual) insights. I've watched that "Ready Set Go" video seveal times, and I must admit that I always had the same questions as Steve. Like, who were those other cats in the band? I'm familiar with Bowles, Cousar, Fountaine, but somehow I never connected the faces in the video with the names.
Van Gordon Sauter was Mr. Gordy's P.R. man on the tour. He later went on to a senior-level executive job at CBS News,
8th Day. Whoa. "She's Not Just Another Woman". One of the many somgs that will always remind me of a certain place and time in my life. |
mel(andthensome) (mel)
6-Zenith
Username: mel
Post Number: 746
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.43.32.117
| | Posted on Saturday, September 11, 2004 - 10:20 am: �� | ��� |
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FrankM (frankm)
2-Debutant
Username: frankm
Post Number: 25
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 217.43.190.112
| | Posted on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 1:26 am: �� | ��� |
A few years ago I was in Glasgow's Mitchell Library and got them to dig out their bound volumes of mid-sixties issued of "Melody Maker". I don't know if it would be feasible to photocopy the MM coverage of the 1965 tour - the volumes are
VERY heavy - I'll ask the next time I'm in
although that may not be for a few weeks.
If you are coming in to the mitchell davie give me a shout I'm on the 5th Floor or phone me 287 2840.
Unfortunately we don't get a discount on the photocopying
Frank Murphy |
mike s (mike_s)
4-Laureate
Username: mike_s
Post Number: 155
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.7
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:36 pm: �� | ��� |
Booker Bradshaw was on the executive side...according to the TM Appreciation Society's Hitsville USA magazine. He was the show's business manager.He had apparently spent two years studying drama in London previously.
Don Foster was PA and secretary to Berry..didn't he produce a few tracks later?? (not sure)
Also Van Sauter was a writer for the Detroit Free Press when he joined the tour team.
Those who were around then (!) will recall that most of the shows didn't pull in very big audiences, largely due to poor publicity and a general lack of awareness about TM among mainstream record buyers. However, it certainly put Motown on the map outside the US and paved the way for them to make real headway internationally with an added boost from the TV special they did with Dusty |
mike s (mike_s)
4-Laureate
Username: mike_s
Post Number: 156
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.7
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 7:38 pm: �� | ��� |
Looking at the names that Jack Ashford provided, it looks like we are still missing a drummer for the tour...... |
Phil (phil)
5-Doyen
Username: phil
Post Number: 178
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 213.36.161.81
| | Posted on Monday, September 20, 2004 - 8:44 pm: �� | ��� |
Yes Mike, I wanted to ask this : "who's the drummer ?" |
mike s (mike_s)
4-Laureate
Username: mike_s
Post Number: 160
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.7
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 12:41 am: �� | ��� |
The TM Appreciation Society mag at the time listed the musicians as being mainly the Earl van Dyke sextet. So does that mean that Benny B was the drummer? |
dvdmike (dvdmike)
5-Doyen
Username: dvdmike
Post Number: 387
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 65.208.234.85
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 1:23 am: �� | ��� |
As an actor, Booker Bradshaw is probably best known for having his privates blown off with a shotgun by Pam Grier at the end of the 1973 film, "Coffy." |
soulseeker (soulseeker)
4-Laureate
Username: soulseeker
Post Number: 142
Registered: 7-2004
Posted From: 192.94.3.10
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 1:30 am: �� | ��� |
Nice Pic! LOL at Booker Bradshaw's finest hour in cinema! |
Gary (gary)
5-Doyen
Username: gary
Post Number: 178
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.73.238.2
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 22, 2004 - 2:11 am: �� | ��� |
Mike S...that drummer in the video doesn't look like Benny to me, but I could be mistaken...I'd have to take another look to be more certain, in the meantime, someone can correct me if I'm wrong about the drummer's identity. However, I'm positive about Earl Van Dyke and Robert White, as I mentioned in my previous post. |
mike s (mike_s)
4-Laureate
Username: mike_s
Post Number: 167
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.93.33.7
| | Posted on Thursday, September 23, 2004 - 8:32 pm: �� | ��� |
Think I have tracked down the details.
The UK TM Appreciation Society mag at the time had a piece on Earl Van Dyke which says he brought the other members of his quartet with him for the tour (as well as the one with Kim Weston the year before).
They were: Robert White, Jack Ashford and (wait for it) Uriel Jones.....
Two musicians from Detroit were added for the 1965 tour along with six European musicians. |
RAY MONETTE (ray_monette)
3-Pundit
Username: ray_monette
Post Number: 59
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 12.145.226.29
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 2:59 pm: �� | ��� |
FROM THE HORSES MOUTH:
URIEL PLAYED ON THE "64" TOUR,BUT NOT IN "65".THE DRUMMER IN QUESTION IS STILL UNKNOWN. |
FRANCIS T (francis_t)
2-Debutant
Username: francis_t
Post Number: 16
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 195.92.67.74
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 3:36 pm: �� | ��� |
I wonder if Cornelius Grant is the same person of that name we met at the LA Soul Convention earlier this year.If that is the case he is now in artist management in West Hollywood.Maybe he has the answer.
Regards Francis T |
Gary (gary)
5-Doyen
Username: gary
Post Number: 207
Registered: 4-2004
Posted From: 66.73.238.2
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 4:36 pm: �� | ��� |
Thanks Ray...I don't mind saying this question has me very curious. Is it possible that the drummer was (Temptations' road band drummer) Norman Roberts? Pistol Allen? I seriously doubt Benny would have been on that tour, and it obviously wasn't Uriel, so who was it?
I wonder if anyone who was actually on the '65 tour might happen upon this thread and give us some insight. |