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  Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 595 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
These ladies dont seem to get as much attention as other soulful girl groups and I wonder why. To me Be My BAby is the ultimate 45 and Ronnie and Nedra and Estelle(and Cher and Darlene etc I guess!!)sing with much soul. Do I Love You is also one of my all time faves. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2273 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Jimmy Mack, what's up?? These girls made me wish that I was 23, instead of 3 years old when they first hit. I thought that Ronnies' voice sounded sexy as hell on Be My baby. Around 1990, I discovered the Spector Box Set & Ronnies' sexy version of So Young. Man, those girls had some class back in those days. | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 596 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Ronettes rocked!! Spector box set is sensational. | ||
Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) 2-Debutant Username: benlynx Post Number: 30 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 195.92.168.166 |
How can anyone forget these three?  Veronica Bennet, Nedra Talley and Estelle Bennet | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2279 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
That picture just reinforces my feelings that I was born at least 15 years too late  Jimmy: I just thought about your question & a few thoughts spring to mind about the situation. First, I think that most considered The Ronettes to be more of a Pop Girls group. As such, most of the Girl Groups are somewhat interchangable in the minds of many. Another thing is that their peak years occurred in 1963, at least 2 years before the advent of what became the Soul era. Another problem is their relative lack of recorded output. Once Phil & Ronnie married, he effectively killed her (and The Ronettes) careers in the process. If you ever read her or Darlene Loves' books, you'll see just what happened with Phil & how he conspired against his own wifes' career. Then, there was Phil himself. HE was the wall of sound & HE was bigger than any one artist. He used Blossoms as Crystals, etc. Songs that came out under one groups name, were actually sang by members of another (Read Darlene Love). Phil seemed to have no regard or respect for ANY group. PHIL was the ARTIST & sometimes, there was so much going on in a Phil Spector production, that you couldn't distinguish the difference between one group or another. Ronnie & Darlenes' voices were the exceptions, other than The Righteous Brothers, that is. So, those are the reasons that I think that The Ronettes aren't given more attention. Most people only remember them for 2 or 3 records, which would be about the same output for all of those one-hit wonder girl groups of the early 60s. (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 08, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 08, 2004) (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 08, 2004) | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 597 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
thanks Raymond--I love the Ronettes just put it out there--kind of class trash. | ||
Ron Murphy (ron_murphy) 4-Laureate Username: ron_murphy Post Number: 144 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.42.90.140 |
hey juice I think you explained it perfectly, and it's too bad because not only were those girls beautiful but they could sing and perform, and of course Ronnie's voice was so unique | ||
Ralph Terrana (ralph) Moderator Username: ralph Post Number: 590 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 209.240.205.63 |
I agree Ron. Plus Phil was presenting Pop music in a completely new and fresh way. | ||
Vickie (vickie) 4-Laureate Username: vickie Post Number: 95 Registered: 3-2004 Posted From: 64.236.243.31 |
i WANTED TO LOOK LIKE THAT!!!! | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 598 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
u go Vickie. | ||
Thomas Ingrassia (thomasingrassia) 1-Arriviste Username: thomasingrassia Post Number: 9 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 4.156.111.43 |
FYI, The Ronettes are slated to be inducted into the Vocal Group Hall of Fame (along with The Marvelettes) later this year. Tom Ingrassia | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 4-Laureate Username: randy_russi Post Number: 165 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Ronnie, Nedra & Estelle were THE rock & roll girl group. Phil Spector LOVED black music, black gospel music so his productions were very soul- ful & yet very pop. Now the look of the Ronettes is very common, but in the 60s it certainly wasn't. Ronnie & Nedra are doing fine. I don't know too much on Estelle. | ||
Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) 3-Pundit Username: benlynx Post Number: 34 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 195.92.168.173 |
Juice? Lack of recorded output? 2 or 3 records? Be My Baby You, Baby Woman In Love (With You) Walking In The Rain Baby, I Love You I Wonder The Best Part Of Breakin' Up Soldier Baby Of Mine When I Saw You Do I Love You Keep On Dancing Born To Be Together This Is What I Get For Loving You Paradise I Wish I Never Saw Sunshine You Came, You Saw, You Conquered Frosty the Snowman Sleigh Ride I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus these are the ones i remember personally.. | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 220 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.210.42.233 |
I remember in 7th grade me & all the guys were in love with the Ronettes .When they made a guest appearance on "Saturday Hop" the local bandstand show, the audience went beserk..they looked just like the above pix in those very same tight dresses. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2292 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hi Ray, Yes, I stand by my statement that most people only remember them for one or two of their records. I'm not talking about dyed in the wool Ronettes fans. I'm talking about the majority of music listeners. Now, out of that list, how many of those songs were single releases & how many of them were LP cuts? I have the discography & can look it up. You have to consider that in those days, kids were more into 45s & not so much into LPS. Unless there's been a correction, none of their singles ever went Gold or Platinum & in terms of chart presence, their impact was minimal. Let's check this out. Billboards Top Pop Singles 1955-1999, shows the following: Their peak period lasted only 14 months. From Aug 1963 to Oct 1964, they placed 5 records on the Pop charts. Of those, only Be My Baby made the Top 10, weighing in at #2. None of their subsequent singles rose above #24 Pop. Of those other songs, only 2 rose as high as the 20s: Baby I Love You (#24) & Walking In The Rain (#23). The other 2, The Best Part Of Breakin' Up rose to #39 & Do I Love You, made it to #34. Of these 5 songs, only 2 remained on the charts for at least 10 weeks. In 1965, it only gets worse, as only two of their releases entered the Pop chart. Born To Be Together weighed in at #52 & Is This What I Get For Loving You stalled at #75. By 1966, it was all over, with I Can Hear Music charting at #100 for only one week. We haven't even factored in their first recordings on Colpix in 1961-'62, during their "Ronnie & The Relative" years. Now, John Clemente's book "Girl Groups" shows that The Ronettes had 8 single releases from 1963 to 1966. Now, you must admit that 8 releases in 4 years, doesn't add up to dominance in any way. In fact, back then groups used to come out with records, one after the other. By comparison, In 1965 alone, The Supremes released 6 songs, The Dixie Cups 6, The Royalettes 4, The Shangri-Las 5, The Marvelettes & The Vandellas had 3 each. Even The Jaynettes had 4 releases that year. So, basically, in 4 years, The Ronettes released roughly 2 years worth of singles. The last shot for The Ronettes in the 60s was 1969s, "You Came, You Saw, You Conquered", which sunk. In all honesty, that was a mere 5 years after their last hits & by then, The Ronettes were not a viable group anymore & certainly, off of the radar of the average music fan. It's not through any fault of The Ronettes, whom I've always loved. However, due to Phil's basic destruction of the group & his habit of treating group members as dispensable parts, The Ronettes success was suffocated, if not obliterated by Phil & his desire to have a housewife, as opposed to a singer. Now, when compared to groups like The Supremes, The Shirelles, Martha & The Vandellas, The Marvelettes & The Shangri-Las, where do The Ronettes stand in the eyes of the average music fan??? That was what I meant. If you say The Supremes, Martha & The Vandellas, The Marvelettes or The Shirelles, you'll get a laundry list of songs from even the casual music fan. If you say The Ronettes, the average fan will cite Be My Baby, Baby I Love You, The Best Part Of Breaking Up & Walking In The Rain. Hell, given the multitude of voices buried in the mix & the similarity of sound, many casual fans may think that The Ronettes made Da Doo Ron Ron, He's A Rebel, etc. This is not a knock on the girls. It is, however a knock on how their careers were handled, or rather, mishandled. They deserved better & should have had much more success than they had. Wouldn't you agree??? | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 604 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
I believe You Came You Saw You Conquered was just Ronnie wasnt it? She briefly recruited 2 new ronettes in 70s for a couple of releases on Buddah. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2297 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Yes, Jimmy, And she was undermined by a certain "eccentric" producer that time as well. | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 607 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.12.116.138 |
Can she now sing her Ronettes songs?I know Phil had blocked that too. Nedra said they were considering a reunion around the time of 9/11 which apparently stopped the idea but she didnt rule it out for the future. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 4-Laureate Username: randy_russi Post Number: 169 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
To see some great photos of the Ronettes from 1962 in the RCA studios in NY-- www.photobucket.com/albums/060 3/musicchef/ronettes | ||
Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) 3-Pundit Username: benlynx Post Number: 43 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 195.92.168.163 |
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Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 5-Doyen Username: kevgo Post Number: 182 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.33.204.21 |
Jimmy: Ronnie Spector can and does still sing her classic hits and there's nothing Phil can do to stop her. I saw her perform in 1986 around the time she guest-starred on Eddie Money's hit "Take Me Home Tonight". She was on the same bill as Martha Reeves and rocked the Rochester NY Downtown Festival Tent like it was no tomorrow. Ronnie currently lives in Conneticut with her husband (her married name now is Veronica Greenfield). She gave birth to two sons by her current husband and these boys are now in their early 20s. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
mike s (mike_s) 4-Laureate Username: mike_s Post Number: 150 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.7 |
Be My Baby will forever be their best known and admired hit, but although it was never a major seller, Walking in the Rain has got to be their finest artistically. What a production and a song that Ronnie wrings every last drop from (rain,get it!) | ||
Raymond Ennifer (benlynx) 3-Pundit Username: benlynx Post Number: 45 Registered: 8-2004 Posted From: 195.92.168.165 |
Walking in the rain goes down a STORM with me.. | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 631 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Does anyone else like Do I Love You?--the production on that just knocks me out and those Ronettes going -ah oh oh | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2426 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
As a kid, I would have bought a record of Ronnie singing her ABCs. I can picture her singing: A B C D E F G... H I J K L...OHH...OHH....OHH...OHHHHH! !! I always though that she had one sexy voice & was gorgeous as hell. It makes me wonder one thing..... What in hell was Phil thinking when he messed up with her?? I would have ripped off an arm to be in Phils' shoes & I was only 4. Even then, I appreciated beauty | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 5-Doyen Username: kevgo Post Number: 186 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.33.205.253 |
Juicefree: What was also twisted about Ronnie & Phil's relationship was the fact that they became a couple while Spector was still married to his first wife. According to Ronnie's biography it was Darlene Love who spilled the beans that Phil had a wife, who later met Ronnie and wished her "the best of luck" regarding her relationship with Phil (maybe she knew something....). As far as what appears on the surface to be not too many hits or singles by the Ronettes, keep in mind that Phil Spector did not follow the recording industry's rule of releasing dozens of singles per week per label. Phil's opinion was that he would rather release one great record at a time as opposed to five or ten good records in a shot. His stance wasn't welcomed by record distributors whose trade was to sell several titles per label but all was forgiven when a Phil Spector production did hit. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2429 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
What's up Kev Go!! Yes, I remember that story from Ronnies' book. Darlene Love touched on it in her book as well. I remember the stories about Phil & his first wife & how crzy Phil acted EVEN around Ronnies' mom. I will say this in all honesty, had Ronnie been my sister or daughter, Phils' life span would have been lessened by at least 25 years! Phil had some issues. As regards Phils' release schedule, thatnks for pointing that out. I had forgotten that point. In the end, I feel that it only served to damage The Ronettes career. If I remember correctly, the prevailing mentality at that time was to release as much music as possible, before the public forgot who an artist was. | ||
mike s (mike_s) 4-Laureate Username: mike_s Post Number: 152 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.7 |
The Ronettes' Best Of album that came out in 92 had a batch of tracks that either didn't make the charts (poor promotion?)or weren't released as singles or at all. Such as: Paradise, I wish I never saw the sunshine ,Is this what I get for loving you,Everything under the sun - all recorded 65/66 when Phil was perhaps turning his attention elsewhere. Or were they just too heavy for the pop market at the time? Brilliant stuff though. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 181 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Ronnie CAN perform any of her Ronettes' hits in concert, but NOT on television. Phil pulled a licensing sync, or something similar to that, preventing her from performing any of the songs he owns the publishing for. He probably did the same with Darlene as she wrote things in her book that he was not pleased with as Ronnie did in her book. Yes, I love "Do I Love You". Phil was trying to get a Motown sound with that one and I feel he succeeded. | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 637 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.74 |
Of course-I realize now thats y I love it Randy! Ive seen Lala and Darlene perfrom the hits on tv--not sure about Ronnie--what a creep to do that to her. I read how he sabotaged the Paris Sisters too-and he had had an affair with Priscilla. | ||
Thomas Ingrassia (thomasingrassia) 1-Arriviste Username: thomasingrassia Post Number: 10 Registered: 6-2004 Posted From: 4.156.108.197 |
If you remember "Hey La Hey La, The Girl Groups Are Back," the concert special that PBS aired several years ago (taped at Foxwoods Casino), Ronnie was the only artist who did not sing any of her 60s hits on the program that aired, or on the video put out afterward--for the reason that Randy indicated.My understanding is that Ronnie did sing her hits during the live concert, but they could not be included in the televised version. In fact, I believe that the video even included a disclaimer alluding to licensing/performance rights issues preventing the inclusion of certain performances. Tom | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 182 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Yes, that's correct what Tom has stated. Darlene can & does sing some of the Spector hits that he does not own copyrights on--He's A Rebel, He's Sure The Boy I Love. LaLa was performing Then He Kissed Me and Da Doo Ron Ron because she hasn't (and neither has Dee Dee Kenniebrew) "pissed" him off yet. However, he did send word to LaLa via an attorney or someone that "you sue me and I'll bury your hits", according to what LaLa told Deedee. I have been told that he has expressed that as long as he can prevent it the Ronettes will never be inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. | ||
mike s (mike_s) 4-Laureate Username: mike_s Post Number: 158 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 195.93.33.7 |
Walking in the Rain is 40 years old this month | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2438 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Mike, Those were indeed some good songs. Unfortunately, by that time, Phil was busy trying to sabotage Ronnies' career. If you'd like more insight, you should get both Ronnies' & Darlene Loves' books. The picture is definitely unflattering & you'll have a pretty good idea on the internal workings of Phil & why he sabotaged Ronnie & The Ronettes careers. Phil was no respector of stars, nor was he concerned about maintaining stars. To Phil, the RECORD was the star, everyone else was simply a necessary evil to accomplish his goal. One of my favorite records ever was Black Pearl, which came out when I was nine. Not being totally aware of the Wall Of Sound at the time, upon reflection, Phils' stamp is all over that song & it was a masterpiece! You know, somehow I believe that there's a special musical wing in Hells Hall Of Fame that is just waiting for Phils' arrival. How a man that made such gorgeous music can appear to be such a wretchedly miserable & vindictive person is beyond my scope of understanding. I remember the stories of how he wouldn't allow Ronnie to travel without a bodyguard. What about the one where he bought he an inflatable "Phil" doll to sit in the passenger of her car while she drove. Then, he tried to use Cher as a "babysitter" for Ronnie. I truly, truly believe that Phil is due to receive a very, very special award & it damn sure won't be a Grammy, or Platinum either! Phil's a man who appears to have serious issues!Imagine just how much more success he could've had if not for his personality! What a shame! | ||
Reese (reese) 5-Doyen Username: reese Post Number: 191 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.152.12.209 |
I think Phil's ban against Ronnie might have been lifted during the Hey La Hey La Girl Groups special. I attended the show, and recall Ronnie singing quite a few of her hits. I also have the special on tape and if I'm not mistaken, she performs WALKIN' IN THE RAIN and THE BEST PART OF BREAKIN' UP. But when the Ronettes were profiled as one of VH1s Legendary Ladies of Rock And Roll, they couldn't use any classic footage of the girls performing their hits because of Phil. Instead, they used an old clip of the girls singing SILHOUETTES. They were also edited out of one of the recent Hullabaloo dvds for the same reason. | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 184 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
I do not believe that sync has been lifted. I do not know why her performances of those songs may or may not be on the video, but the only copy of Hey La, Hey La I have has her doing Say Good- bye To Hollywood, although at the actual show, as Tom Ingrassia indicated above, she, of course, did perform all of her hits. Darlene only does songs that Phil does not own the publishing in the video I have of the same program as mentioned above. Therefore, she does Don't Make Me Over, which she never recorded {the Dionne Warkwick hit). | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 640 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Then how could Nedra Talley sing Be My Baby at Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Girl Groups stamp ceremony--her performance(which is pretty bad) is on the DVD of the event. (Message edited by luke on September 20, 2004) | ||
Reese (reese) 5-Doyen Username: reese Post Number: 192 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 204.152.12.209 |
Randy, perhaps the commercial video tape of the HEY LA HEY LA GIRL GROUPS show, and the telecast that aired on PBS was were different. I taped the show when it aired on PBS and Darlene sang WAIT UNTIL MY BOBBY GETS HOME, HE'S SURE THE BOY I LOVE , as well as HE'S A REBEL. I know the last song wasn't written by Phil, so it wouldn't be subject to the ban. What about the others? Ronnie sang the songs I mentioned in my earlier post. (Message edited by Reese on September 20, 2004) (Message edited by Reese on September 20, 2004) | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 186 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
Nedra's performance of "Be My Baby" at the stamp ceremony was not aired on TV and the DVD or VHS which is for sale on Mary Wilson's website is not considered a commercial release. And, maybe, Phil is unaware of it. I cannot answer all the whys on any of this other than I know Ronnie and have for many years and that licensing sync has not been lifted. Again, it is only for TV, etc. It does not include her performing the songs in her shows at various venues. Darlene's hits (Today I Met The Boy... and Wait Til Bobby Gets...) are published by Phil's company. If she still performs them on Video, TV, then I guess there is no ban. The copy of Hey La, Hey La that I have does not include those songs. She DOES do "He's A Rebel" and "He's Sure The Boy..." because Phil did not write them nor does he own the publishing. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2442 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Hey Randy, Here's a thought. If these performances have slipped through the cracks, it could be due to the fact that Phil's been making appearances of his own at a very special venue! Phil's has been on a very special TOUR of his of his own lately, maybe that's why this may have happened. Perhaps he's paying more attention to his legal situation, than he is to what the girls are doing. If that's the case, then I consider it to be justice served. As to the legalities, shomething needs to change. It should be illegal for ANYONE to be able to prevent the original singer of any song, to be banned from performing said song. To my way of thinking, that is patently unfair & potentially hinders that person from making a living. I can only imagine how artist(s) must feel, watching some interloper(s) capitalize on singing their songs, while they themselves aren't allowed to claim the name, nor, sing the songs that they made famous. This practice, if law should be struck down & never allowed to exist from this day further. It simply isn't right. I also indict the fans, who know the 411, who continue to support this practice, by paying money to see all of these fake Platters, Marvelletes, etc. Now, even if they aren't aware of ALL of the stories & situations, there is entirely too much information not to find out. If they can't afford to buy a book, they can go to the library & read it there. In cases such as Phils', they should simply not buy even ONE of his reissues. Why should Phil make even more money off of the voices & sweat of people whom he won't allow to sing the hits that they made famous? Not to mention the fact that the majority of those folks won't even get a dime in royalties from any sales! If these folks were true fans, they wouldn't support these CDs, as it is basically supporting the supressor of their heroes. Here's my rule of thumb: If you're 50 & for example & the "Marvellette" you've paid to see is 34, she's not an original Marvellette!! It's simply impossible! Case closed! Those casual fans are enablers. They go to shows & hold up lighters, clap, stomp & cry in memory of their lost youth. They just want to feel like they're 17 & in their wonder years again, as opposed to the reality of their current VIAGRA years! The majority of them would pay to watch 4 singing chimpanzees, as long as they hear hear those songs & feel all warm & fuzzy inside. They couldn't care less about the original singers of those groups. They prove it by not raising their collective voices against these practices. If these fans were Generals in the military & these original artists were soldiers, they'd consider the treatment of the originals to be "collateral damage". They all disgust me! | ||
Randy Russi (randy_russi) 5-Doyen Username: randy_russi Post Number: 187 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 169.139.180.100 |
I agree with you totally! I saw a fake group of Marvelettes this summer ONLY because they were on a bill with the Crystals--I've been friends with Deedee Kennniebrew for about 30 years(!). As for a publisher owning the rights to songs and calling the shots on what can/cannot be performed over the air is totally legal and their call. And, again, Spector owns the rights to most of the hits by the Philles artists. And, yes, you may be very correct in that he's too busy with his personal legal problem at this time to tune in to what each of his former artists are up to. You know, for some reason, he doesn't want any of them to succeed or have any success other than their past history with him. I've been told this more than once by associates of his or people in the business. He's not that way about Tina or even Cher, but most certainly seems to be about any Crystals, Darlene, or Ronnie. | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 652 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 152.163.100.74 |
I have seen Dee Dee and Crystals perform Da Doo Ron Ron etc on tv. There is a guy in Calif who goes to as many fake Marvelettes shows as he can and after demands his money back as they arent really the Marvelettes. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2462 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
It was reported in todays Daily News, that Phils' lawyer fears that Phil may be indicted next Monday. Phils' lawyer Roger Rosen stated that he has been told to bring Phil to court on Monday. He feels that the only reason for Phil having to appear, is in order to be indicted. Though his lawyers argue that the autopsy report shows that the deceased wounds were self-inflicted, the prosecution states that the police found blood & gunpowder residue on Mr Spector. Their evidence also shows evidence that he cleaned & moved the weapon as well. In addition, they further state that he has a history of pointing weapons at women. Mr. Rosen summed it up thusly & I quote: "Phil is very disappointed." I'll go out on a limb & say that Phils' disappointment is nowhere on the scale of Ronnie, The Ronettes & other acts he's dealt with. His disappointment is certainly not comparable with that of the family of the deceased. (Message edited by juicefree20 on September 23, 2004) | ||
Tony Russi (tony_russi) 5-Doyen Username: tony_russi Post Number: 253 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 68.210.43.109 |
Thanks for the info Juice.As crazy as a lot of people say Phil is, Ronnie said that as much as he ranted and raved ect.that she couldn't beleive he would kill someone. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2473 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Anytime at all Tony. I'll be honest with you, I think that Phil may be many things. I honestly don't believe that he's a murderer. He couldn't be that dumb. I remember Ronnie wrote that Phil always threatened to send someone to "get her" if she left him. I would imagine that he could have done that if he really wanted to hurt the young lady. I am willing to believe that it was a horrible accident. Accidental manslaughter, I can believe. Outright murder....I can't believe that he'd be that incredibly stupid. I don't recall at the moment, was there any drugs or alcohol faound in his system at the time of the incident?? | ||
Jimmy Mack (luke) 6-Zenith Username: luke Post Number: 656 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 205.188.116.138 |
Phil has had substance abuse problems for years. He has serious psychiatric problems for years; he has threatened violence; Ronnie said she wasnt suprised at all about this tragedy; 90% of people are high when they commit crime; HELLO???? | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2481 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Not in my neighborhood. They don't have to be high or under the influence of anything but being angry. Ahh, New York, New York!!! SOme of them just aren't Mr. Happy, ya know what I mean?? I think that some of them simply need a hug. They're crying out for attention | ||
Kevin Goins - KevGo (kevgo) 5-Doyen Username: kevgo Post Number: 193 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 64.33.205.135 |
Jimmy & Juice: You both bring valid points regarding Phil's behavior. He admitted in a press interview during the 1960s that he was paying good money to see a psychiatrist to deal with his personal issues. At the same time, I cannot help to think of how this man could have been stopped years ago if folks were paying attention. He pulled a gun on artists ranging from the Ramones to Stevie Wonder (this was discussed in prior posts from last year or the year before) and I said then that if I was Seymour Stein or Berry Gordy I would have had Spector arrested then & there. Kevin Goins - KevGo | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2550 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
It's now official!!! In a related thread, fellow forum member Raymond Ennifer, has posted that Phil has been formally charged with murder. | ||
Juicefree20 (juicefree20) 6-Zenith Username: juicefree20 Post Number: 2652 Registered: 4-2004 Posted From: 24.46.184.162 |
Here's a link to a nice article about Ronnie & The Ronettes: http://www.chuckthewriter.com/ spector.html |
