Emory & The Dynamics

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Top of pageBottom of page   By anthony wilson (80.4.63.146) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 10:55 am:

Hello

Emory & The Dynamics (later known as The Four Dynamics) recorded for Peachtree in Atlanta but I think they had a connection with Detroit. They cut the song "Things That A lady Ain't Supposed To Do" which was written by Ernest Burt and Jake Hammonds Jr (Timmy Shaw).

Does anyone know anything about the group or their connection with Detroit ?

Thanks,

Anthony Wilson

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 11:01 am:

Maybe Don Davis produced them? I remember their
hit "Ice Cream Song" on Cotillion label(?).
I saw them twice!!! Good in person performers.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Tony Russi (68.210.9.227) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 12:46 pm:

I still have the Cotillion 45 "Ice Cream Song" and I do remember seeing them on a couple of "package" shows late 60's or early 70's.Were they from Atlanta? I think William Bell either owned or produced for the Peachtree label.The only Peachtree records I remember buying were by Mitty Collier.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Tony Russi (68.210.9.227) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 12:47 pm:

Sorry Anthony, I don't remember any Detroit connection.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.32) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 02:08 pm:

Emory & the Dynamics a.k.a. the Four Dynamics are a different group than the "Ice Cream Song" Dynamics from Detroit. There were probably more groups called the Dynamics that recorded than any other.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 02:31 pm:

Emory & the Dynamics ARE the artists of "Ice
Cream Song" on Cotillion label from 1968/69!
I saw them perform twice! Once before this
record was released on a Jackie Wilson show
that included a lot of artists recording on
Peachtree--the label advertised in the back
of the program. I don't know about a group
of Dynamics from Detroit, but it IS Emory &
the Dynamics on "Ice Cream Song".
I only suggested that perhaps at some point
Don Davis (because of his assoc. w/Stax) may
have produced them.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Flynny (213.122.17.95) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 03:48 pm:

Let us not forget that their "Things that a lady..." had previously been recorded by Cynthia & The Imaginations (also recorded for Magic City) on Blue Rock under the supervision of Dale Warren (mega Detroit hero!)...albeit under a slightly different title, "Hey boy (I love you)".

Top of pageBottom of page   By anthony wilson (80.4.63.146) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 04:16 pm:

Yes, that's why I thought there was a Detroit connection. I think "Hey Boy" came out first. Do you have any writer credits for "Hey Boy"?

Anothony

Top of pageBottom of page   By anthony wilson (80.4.63.146) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 04:18 pm:

Hello Randy,

Thanks for the info. You've settled an argument.

:-)

Anthony

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.176) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 04:42 pm:

Anthony, he didn't settle anything.

Randy, there wasn't anybody in the Dynamics from Detroit who recorded the "Ice Cream Song" and other songs, name Emory. The group you saw was bogus and was masquerading as the "Ice Cream Song" Dynamics.

The original Dynamics were Fred Baker, Samuel Stevenson, R. James and George White. From the summer of 1967 the members were Baker, Stevenson, Styling Shazer, Zerban Hicks and White. Baker, Stevenson, Issac Harris and White recorded the Cotillion sides, which includes "The Ice Cream Song."

Top of pageBottom of page   By anthony wilson (80.4.63.146) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 04:47 pm:

Hi Scratcher

This is getting intertesting! But how do I know you are the real Scratcher and not someone masquerading as Scratcher ?

:-)

Anthony

Top of pageBottom of page   By anthony wilson (80.4.63.146) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 04:49 pm:

Randy,

Do you still have a copy of the program with the Peachtree advert on the back ?

Anthony Wilson

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.176) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 04:54 pm:

As I stated previously Anthony there were many groups name the Dynamics none whose members were readily identifiable to even the most ardent music fan. Nearly every one performed the "Ice Cream Song" and perpertrated as the Detroit group who BTW was managed by Ted White who was Aretha Franklin's husband at the time.

Emory & the Dynamics was a southern group who recorded four singles, one as the Four Dynamics, on Peachtree Records in the early '70s.

The "Ice Cream Song" Dynamics from Detroit had nearly 20 single releases on eight labels. They cut a couple of albums too.

Top of pageBottom of page   By anthony wilson (80.4.63.146) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 05:22 pm:

Thanks Scratcher,

I'm aware of several groups called The Dynamics. My main question was how Emory & The Dynamics from Atlanta came across the song "Things That A Lady Ain't Supposed To Do" which was penned by fairly obscure Detroit writers. By the way, they also cut a great version of "That's What Girls Are Made For".

They were represented by Henry Wynn's Supersonic Attractions who handled the Jackie Wilson tour. Wynn was William Bell's manager and his partner in Peachtree Records. The Peachtree catalogue has been picked up by Grapevine who are releasing a CD called "Atlanta Soul" in September. As yet there isn't full track listing on their website but it includes some tracks by Emory & The Dynamics.

Anthony

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.176) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 06:11 pm:

Interesting indeed Anthony, that song you mentioned was co-written by Ernest Burt who I believe at one time owned Magic Puff (or was it Magic City Records) and possibly Correct Tone in Detroit. Burt is deceased but his son is trying to do something with the catalog.

Top of pageBottom of page   By acooolcat (61.58.181.97) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 08:35 pm:

Hey Boy (I Love You) was written by Timmy Shaw & Ernest Burt... accordingig to the Blue Rock record label. I would guess this Blue Rock 45 was released around 1967. It's one of my favorite records!
Burt owned Magic City (not Correc-tone, which was owned by Wilbert Golden).
Perhaps there's no direct connection between Detroit & Emory's Dynamics. They could have simply liked the song and recorded it themselves.
Graham

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.2) on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 - 09:10 pm:

Thanks for that Graham. I know Burt purchased the building that housed Correc-Tone for his Magic City label. Burt also co-wrote songs with Allen Story and Choker Campbell. Ernest Burt fashioned himself as a songwriter and wrote at times with his wife and daughter. He was probably shopping and playing songs for whoever he thought would cut one.

Top of pageBottom of page   By acooolcat (61.58.181.97) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 04:34 am:

Scrathcer
As you probably know - Choker Campbell was something like vice-prez at Magic City and it's his band that played on the first handfull of Magic City releases. Cynthia's Blue Rock 45 was actually a Magic City recording.

Can you confirm that the earlier "Detroit" Dynamics who recorded on Dynamic, Top Ten and Big Top were; Fred "Sonny " Baker, Sam Goodwin, Robert James and George White?

And what about the latter lineup - I think the group which recorded for Black Gold etc' were; Fred 'Sonny" Baker, Ernest Fudge, Isiah "Zeke" Harris, Samuel David and George White. But I would like more details.

Graham

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:09 am:

Anthony, no, I no longer have the program.
I don't know anything, Scratcher, about the
bogus groups. All I know is twice I saw
the same guys as "Emory & the Dynamics", be-
fore and after the release of "Ice Cream
Song". The first show: spring '68 w/Jackie
Wilson, Impressions, Peaches & Herb, Barbara
Mason, Peg Leg Moffet, 5 Stairsteps, Gorgeous
George, etc.
2nd show: sometime in '69--Ben E. King, Tyrone
Davis, 5 Stairsteps, Bettye Swann, the Unifics,
etc.
Randy

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:12 am:

Also, again, I don't know where they were from,
but the 1st show--Peachtree advertised in the
program showing label copies of 45s, including
one by them, and the 2nd show--that's when "Ice
Cream Song" was a hit.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.130) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:45 am:

Randy:

Few people outside of Detroit knew who the "Ice Cream Song" Dynamics were. So groups all over America pretended they were them to get more money at gigs. This was prior to the Internet and if a group was masquerading as yours 1500 miles away chances are you wouldn't find out about it and if you did what could you do if you didn't have any money for lawyers? There were Dynamics, Lost Generation, the Persuaders imitators everywhere. Bobby Sanders often had two Young Heart groups working at one time and even started a new Young Heart group called the New Young Hearts.

The Dynamics didn't do much television or gigging for a group who made as many recordings as they did. I suspect the members probably all worked fulltime jobs. Most people couldn't name three members off the top of their heads and have no idea what they look like--so they were easy prey for imitators.

I'm not saying Emory & the Dynamics was a bogus group; they were a real group that recorded for Peachtree Records, I'm saying they falsely led people to believe they were the Dynamics from Detroit who recorded "The Ice Cream Song."

BTW, Emory & the Dynamics Peachtree Recordings came out about a year or two after the Detroit Dynamics' Cotillion sides, which include "The Ice Cream Song," and at the same time the Detroit group had releases on Black Gold Records.

Graham:

I can't confirm that. The names I gave were the members on RCA Records. It seems there were a lot of members over the years. They started recording in 1959 and lasted (recording wise) until 1975. They were credited on one single as Zerben & the Dynamics. F.Y.I. an early Dramatics' single on Top Ten Records was credited as by the Dynamics.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 09:55 am:

Also, it was Supersonic Attractions who did
the show with Jackie Wilson! That was the
name on the program.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:21 am:

Scratcher, my brother has the 45 of Ice Cream
Song and it is credited to Emory & the Dynamics,
not just the Dynamics. It was the same group
I saw both times and Henry Wynn's Supersonic
Attractions handled the Jackie Wilson show and
possibly the 2nd show I saw them on as well.
Bill Murray was the MC of the 2nd show and
Gorgeous George MCed the 1st.
Randy

Top of pageBottom of page   By RD (65.147.251.158) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:35 am:

Randy, if I can chime in here, I have that 45 by the Dynamics and it only says the Dynamics.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russ (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:54 am:

Corrections: You know, I am not certain it
was the same group. I do know that the 1st
group I saw WAS credited "Emory & the Dynamics",
in the program and by their introduction. I
am not certain on the 2nd show--there was no
program. I'm also not sure the 45 doesn't just
say "TheDynamics", I'll check with my brother.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Tony Russi (68.210.10.156) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 11:54 am:

Who knows, maybe my 45 is "Bootlegged"...I bought it at a legit shop BUT, Tone Distributors out of Miami also had a record pressing plant...I will check out my 45 again tonite & let you guys know what I find out.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:17 pm:

I do know that "Ice Cream Song" is included on
Rhino's 60s boxed soul set--Beg, Scream, Shout
and that boxed set includes a photo and very
brief little bio on each artist. Again, I am
not sure the 2nd group I saw was called Emory
& the Dynamics, so perhaps it was the Dynamics
who, according to Scratcher, actually recorded
"Ice Cream Song".
I think what Scratcher is saying is that the
group "Emory & the Dynamics" may have led people
to believe that THEY did "Ice Cream Song" when
it was by a totally different group.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:31 pm:

Acctually, on that last statement I just made,
that is exactly what Scratcher did say.
I really did like the record "Ice Cream Song"
and does anyone know if it's available on CD
other than the Rhino box set?

Top of pageBottom of page   By LG Nilsson (213.89.29.129) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 12:42 pm:

I have The Dynamics original album on Cotillion SD 9009 “First Landing”. They look like this on the cover:

Dynamics5.jpg

This is the track info:

Dynamics1.jpg
Dynamics2.jpg
Dynamics3.jpg

And this is the liner notes written by Ron White.

Dynamics4.jpg

I hope this will clear things up.

Lars

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:11 pm:

GREAT!!!! Well, that certainly isn't Emory & the
Dynamics. And I didn't see a group with only
three, so I think I did see Emory & the Dynamics
twice. I don't think this group appeared on the
2nd show performing Ice Cream Song as if they
recorded it.
Interesting that there are only three here in
the group.
Thanks for sharing!

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:14 pm:

GREAT!!!! Well, that certainly isn't Emory & the
Dynamics. And I didn't see a group with only
three, so I think I did see Emory & the Dynamics
twice. I don't think this group appeared on the
2nd show performing Ice Cream Song as if they
recorded it.
Interesting that there are only three here in
the group.
Thanks for sharing! Oops! I couldn't see the
fourth guy! Well, maybe I DID see this group
on the 2nd show.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.33) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:15 pm:

Thanks Lars, that should clear this up. I don't see no Emory mentioned anywhere. That first tune on side A was originally done by the Masqueraders.

Tony & Randy:

Emory & the Dynamics and that promotion company were scam artists. They are lucky Ted White didn't find out.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:18 pm:

Could George White, Ron White & Ted White all be
related? I know Ted was married to Aretha.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.33) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:20 pm:

I was thinking of that too, Randy. But I don't think this Ron White is the late Ron White of the Miracles.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:33 pm:

No, he wouldn't be Ronnie White of the Miracles,
because Ronnie wouldn't have had the time to work
in radio as busy as his group was at that time.
Well, it's great that the issue is settled.
Thanks to everyone who shared!

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.33) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 01:41 pm:

Randy many recording artists, including Rufus Thomas worked as DJ's while entertaining and recording. Dave Tolliver was a DJ at WZAK in Cleveland while recording and touring with Men At Large. There are many examples of this. The reason I said it wasn't the late Ron White of the Miracles is because I've never heard of him being a disk jockey...a recording engineer yes (which he did while with the Miracles in the sixties) but not a DJ.

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 02:35 pm:

Oh yes, I agree. I am well aware of Rufus Thomas
being a jock, etc. I also know of Ronnie White's
activities over at Motown, but as you say, I
never heard of him being a DJ and, as I stated,
his group would've been too busy for him to have
had the time, I believe. And speaking of Ronnie
of the Miracles, his widow-Gloria Hall-White,
lives near me.

Top of pageBottom of page   By RD (65.150.229.110) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 03:56 pm:

Randy around the time, the late sixties that The Ice Cream Song came out, Smokey had a bad experience with some poliemen in San Francisco (I might have the town wrong but it was a west coast city) and didn't tour much. He had been wanting to curtail his touring anyway and the racial episode gave him even more reason. It's quite possible that Ron White found a parttime job as a jock in Detroit during this stretch. But I don't know this to be fact just speculating. I do know that Smokey was very distraught over what happened and didn't work nearly as much.

Also, nearly every recording artist (from the sixties/seventies) I've ever known over the age of 21 either worked 9 to 5 or were on welfare. If not on welfare directly their ladies were; some had women with jobs but that support system only lasted so long, until the woman barked: GET A REAL JOB AND HELP ME PAY SOME OF THESE DAMN BILLS!

Top of pageBottom of page   By Randy Russi (169.139.180.100) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 06:23 pm:

Yes, that's true! I just doubt that the writer
of the liner notes is the same Ron White of the
Miracles. And I also remember something of that
story on Smokey, but it's vague. I think I had
heard something about someone trying to board an
airline or ringing up a hotel bill claiming to be
Smokey. If anyone has his book, perhaps he wrote
about it. I did read the book, but don't remember.
Speaking of entertainers being involved in
other venues, Dee Dee Sharp and Kenny Gamble
had Gamble Record Shop in Philadelphia in
the late 60s and, yes, she and he would work in
there as her schedule permitted.

Top of pageBottom of page   By acooolcat (61.58.181.97) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 07:24 pm:

Randy - the LP cover shows four guys - one is standing against the pole.
Scratcher - Are you mixng up the Wingate 45 that was The first Dramatics record? It's called "Bingo" and was miscredited to The Dynamics.
There's a 45 on the Crackerjack label called "Toy Soldier" that's credited to The Dramatics which Ron Banks says isn't his group. The song has Detroit connections through the songwriters though!
I know of 2 Dynamics 45s on the Top Ten label - Whenever I'm Without You / Love To A Guy (#9409) and Soul Sloopy / Yes, I Love You Baby (#100), which I think was picked up by Laurie.
Graham

Top of pageBottom of page   By acooolcat (61.58.181.97) on Thursday, August 28, 2003 - 08:17 pm:

Scratcher
"Lights Out" by Zerben R Hicks & The Dynamics was included on a Kent CD - Volume 1 of the Deep Soul Treasures series compiled by Dave Godin. A Great recording!

Graham

Top of pageBottom of page   By David Meikle (81.103.135.80) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 04:08 pm:

Dynamics scans from Graham
2
2

Top of pageBottom of page   By David Meikle (81.103.135.80) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 04:12 pm:

Dynamics on Black Gold from Graham
1
2
3

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.230) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 04:18 pm:

I have that "I'm The Man" 45. The A-side is "Misery."

Graham, you're right about the mix up but did you kow that the Dynamics had three releases prior to their Reprise and Big Top recordings on Dynamics Records?

Top of pageBottom of page   By acooolcat (61.58.181.97) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 08:02 pm:

Scratcher,
I know of one (early) 45 by the Dynamics on the Dynamic label (not Dynamics Records). It's credited to The Dynamics And The Royal Playboys; titles - So Fine / Delisina.
On the Dynamics label I have one 45 listed by The Dynosonics, and four by The Superlatives, but none by The Dynamics.
Please tell me more.
Graham

Top of pageBottom of page   By Scratcher (65.238.127.7) on Friday, August 29, 2003 - 09:52 pm:

Graham, it seems that the "Detroit" Dynamics have been around longer than I initially thought.

Howabout A Hundred Million Miles/Ka Joom on Warner Records in 1957. Or, Enchanted Love/Happiness and Love on Arc in 1959; that same year No One But You/Always, I Have Loved You on Capri. Also (all in 1959)--Blue Moon/Pigeon (Delta); Don't Leave Me/Wasted (Dynamic); The Girl I Met Last Night/Nobody's Going Out With Me (Dynamic Sound); Aces Up/Baby (Guaranteed) and Someone/Moonlight (Seeco and them Impala)

They recorded two singles on Decca in 1960, another on Dynamic in 1961 and one on Lavere that same year. Christmas Plea/Dream Girl (Dynamic Sound 1962) and If I Give My Heart To You/Blind Date (Libra) that same year. This was followed by the first tune I ever heard by them "Misery" on Big Top. Delsina/So Fine came out on Dynamic Sound in 1963 and was licensed to Reprise that same year. A single on Liberty was followed by two others on Big Top and Corsican.

Does any of this ring a bell?

I have my doubts now if this group was originally from Detroit, if they were it appears they may have relocated to California early in their career. Just speculation.

When they cut "Ice Cream Song" these guys (the one of two original members anyway) were seasoned veterans.


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