By Nosey (66.153.113.238) on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 11:02 am:

Out of respect for the Russell Thompkins thread, I decided to start one on the "other" Stylistics.

I saw the "other" group on Valentine's Day thanks to LC and I have to admit I was pleasantly surprised. They were the headliners and I started to leave before they came on as I had some preconceived ideas about them. I'm glad I didn't.

Taking nothing away from Mr. Thompkins as he is a great singer and look forward to seeing him in the near future but the "other" Stylistics were fantastic. They had the Liacouras Center (a large venue) in the palm of their hands. The young man who leads has an excellent voice. He didn't crack, strain, croak or miss a beat. His voice was crystal clear and with the sophisticated moves, lighting and audience repartee, they put on an excellent show. They sang all of the hits opening with "Rock and Roll Baby" and of course closing with "You Make Me Feel Brand New" singing, "You're a Big Girl Now", "Children of the Night", "Betcha By Golly Wow" and all of their hits in between. This young man sounds so much like Mr. Thompkins, imo, it's uncanny.

I know some of you diehard Russell Thompkins fans may get upset but I was resentful initially from just seeing them on TV and thinking them to be just a blah act. Upon staying to see them, I was delightfully surprised as well as the thousands of others that were in the audience. I'm just saying don't count them out as they are a polished act also. JMO.

By PEEDEE (199.196.144.16) on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 02:37 pm:

HI THE YOUNG MAN YOU WRITE ABOUT
IS HAROLD EBAN BROWN
HE SANG WITH THE OTHER DELFONICS(WIL HART)
FOR A FEW YEARS BEFORE JOINING HERB AND ARRION
HE IS AN EXCELLENT VOCALIST AND A NICE GUY TOO.

By Eli (68.163.25.36) on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 03:27 pm:

Nosey,
I had the esteemed pleasure of conducting for the "other" Stylistics at the Kimmel last June and they were the Creme de la creme!
Eban's voice and manerism is so much like Russel's that if you close your eyes.....
well , you know the rest.

Now if they only could get back together with Russel AND Eban.
After al, the Trammps have Jimmy Ellis AND Jimmy Williams.

By notafan (207.108.153.253) on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 07:54 pm:

I've seen this new group of Stylistics several times & although the lead singer has a great voice, he cannot be compared to the original voice which belongs to Russell Thompkins Jr. Personally speaking Mr. Brown does not have that certain sound that I normally hear when listening to their old albums. I have said several times that when I listen to this new group of "Stylistics" something is missing. Maybe its just me but Mr. Brown does not sound anywhere as good as Mr. Thompkins. To me, that cat on the web-site is much closer to mimicing Mr. Thompkins voice than Mr. Brown. I am begining to believe that the fans are being misled in believing he has that certain sound, when in reality he don't. I guess the fans who actually goes to those shows are actually people trying to get out of the house instead of true diehard "Stylistics" fans. Cause if you have a good musical ear you can tell the difference between the two. I've been a fan for more than 30+ years and I do not hear that certain sound anymore. To me this group of "Stylistics" is nothing more than a talent show cause they do not have the real deal nor that certain sound. But again this is my opinion and I am not a hater but do wish the young man who replace Russell much success in his musical future, but watch out between the cross fire.

By Nosey (152.163.253.70) on Thursday, February 26, 2004 - 11:12 pm:

Oh contraire. No one was comparing Eban Brown with Russell Thompkins. As I stated in my post he is a good singer in his on right and imho he is doing an excellent job with Herb Murrell's version of the Stylistics. I would go see them again and look forward to seeing Russell Thompkins, Jr.

By don (4.18.201.66) on Tuesday, March 02, 2004 - 12:32 am:

I went to see the Stylistics in person for the 1st time about 3 years ago. I had been told that Russell Thompkins was no longer in the group, and that he had quit singing. I saw Eban Brown as the new lead singer. I have to admit that he does a very good mimic of Russell's voice. Being a fan of the Stylistics, like many others, Russell was my "mentor," and I wanted to know what had happened to him. After a period of time searching for info on Russell, I found his new solo cd. This past Valentine's Day Eve, Friday, Feb 13, 2004, I had the pleasure of seeing Russell in person for the very 1st time. I must say that this man hasn't missed a beat. He sounded just like the records he sang so beautifully from the '70's. Eban Brown is good, no doubt! But Russell Thompkins Jr has the most unique sounding, beautiful voice, and he is the Real. I even had the pleasure of meeting this great singer, and spent some time talking with him. He is a very down-to-earth, humble, kind spirited, gentleman. The real IS the deal...Russell Thompkins, Jr and his Stylistics!

By FJT (12.75.221.18) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 01:23 am:

Eli,
Russell will never get back with the "other." He left them for several very good reasons. If you're from Philly, you know what the deal is.

Notafan,
You have a very good ear and you do know the difference. A lot of people don't. All you have to do is compare Russell or Eban to the wax and you immediately know who the Real deal is. I'm glad there's people like you who know. Sometimes I think people just listen for the tune that they want to hear and don't really listen to the voice.

Don,
You're on the money.

By Piano Man (67.74.69.146) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 09:42 pm:

Hey Nosey
I guess you can say THAT AFTER LISTENING TO ALL OF THAT CRAP ON THE 70'S SOUL JAM and I guess seeing the Stylistics it is like Heaven! I know I heard that crap for years.Who are you comparing them to,those sad groups on that bill.Well Let me teach you a few things.I am so tired of non Hearing people tell us how great people sound.When themselves have no clue to what they are listening.(not directed to anyone special).ALL THE STYLISTICS HAVE TO DO IS JUST SING THOSE HITS AND PEOPLE WILL SCREAM..I could sing those songs and people will scream.Eban does a fair job,But never say he sounds like Russell,That's is an insult.REMEMBER EBAN IS COPYING RUSSELL NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.Just think that group who you said is so great,wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for Russell.I could tell when people don't listen to a show,BECAUSE THEY SAY THAT THEY SOUND GOOD,Please ,You have 2 TONE DEAF SINGERS IN THAT GROUP,AND YOU TELL ME ABOUT THEM...People stop listening with your eyes and OPEN UP YOUR EARS!!!!

By fayette (64.12.96.238) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 10:33 pm:

you know what, we really shouldn't compare
vocalist cause they can't fill another's
shoes, we should accept them for their own
styles.heard the new lead singers for stylistics
and blue magic. they are both good in their
own ways,maybe we should look at them that way.
i made myself a promise not to say who is better
then who when it comes to replacing lead.it
seems unfair.

By b.soul (64.12.96.238) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:23 pm:

What events or circumstances caused Russell to leave the Stylistics?

By Nosey (152.163.253.70) on Tuesday, March 09, 2004 - 11:42 pm:

Piano Man: You have your opinion and I have mine. I have studied music (the piano and clarinet) and sang and still sing in a gospel choir at church and Chorales with a very noted Philly musician by the name of Dr. Verolga Nix not to mention attending many music workshops/clinics.

Imo Eban Brown was excellent the night I saw him and that's not going to change. btw, I am a Russell Thompkins fan and hope to see him perform in the near future. I go way back with the Stylistics when they went to the high school down the street from where I grew up and would often attend talent shows where they sang. I also remember them getting their start at the various local clubs here in Philly so I am by no stretch of the imagination a hater. (Didn't drink any haterade today!)

This is my last post on the matter.

By FJT (12.76.19.92) on Wednesday, March 10, 2004 - 01:04 am:

B. Soul

The story goes like this. After 30+ years of singing all the leads and doing all the studio work, Russell burned himself out and lost his voice. With no help from the other members, he decided to remove himself from the situation so he would not drag the group down. He left in April of 2000. He got plenty of needed rest and exercise and his voice came back within 4 months. His fellow group members were no talent, blood-sucking, money mongers that only cared about themselves. There's more to the story, but it would take a book to tell it all.

By Piano Man (67.74.111.26) on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 08:28 pm:

Hey Nosey
I glad you are a musician,however your ears need to be tuned..I don't care what or who you study with,I am not impress...I AM ALSO A MUSICIAN.Played with the best of them.So impress these other folks...
I am able to say what I said because I worked for them for 15yrs..and a year when Eban was there.I was the one who arranged MANY of the shows and maybe the one you saw that night..I can tell u about them,Musically or otherwise.No comparison when listening to Both Singers..I NOW WORK FOR THE REAL DEAL(Russell).
I agree ,It should be your last post on the matter,if you agree that the STYLISTICS can sing....Now come over to this web site and learn more about the truth on the Stylistics...SINCE YOU LOVE WORKSHOPS!!!!WWW.SOUL24-7.COM/MB/6530.HTM

By PhillyGroove (64.12.96.238) on Thursday, March 11, 2004 - 08:56 pm:

FJT,

I think more detail about the story is warranted. If you know, go ahead and educate the rest of us. Start another thread if necessary.

PhillyG.

By FJT (12.76.3.39) on Friday, March 12, 2004 - 12:01 am:

PhillyGroove,

I'll answer any of your questions and try get the truth out there the best I can. Let's do it on the Russell Thompkins JR./Stylistics thread.

FJT

By GTO (68.41.20.56) on Tuesday, March 16, 2004 - 05:25 am:

I compare Russell and Eban to Eddie Kendricks and Damon Harris. The original has something that the replacement just can't match, whether it be strength of voice, pronunciations, whatever. I'm not saying they aren't good, but there's always something missing.

By FJT (12.75.224.136) on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 01:25 am:

GTO,

You're absolutely right. I'm a big Eddie fan and I was crushed when he left the group. It took me a while to get used to Damon who also has a very good voice, because I was still looking for that Eddie sound. Of course, I'm a big Russell fan. I think Eban is talented, but I think he sounds horrible trying to 'imitate' Russell. He would be a lot more credible if he sang like himself. He has to create his own identity. Not try to steal someone else's. He's been pretending to be other people for a while now. He needs to just be himself. In Damon's case, he did not try to imitate Eddie. He created a sound for himself and retained his identity.

By RD (65.150.229.161) on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 02:25 am:

Damon did not try to imitate Eddie Kendricks? Then what was he doing? Damon was imitating Eddie long before the Temptations when he was singing with the Vandals and prior to that in a group with Billy Griffin where Griffin sang Miracles' songs and Harris Eddie Kendricks Temptations' leads. Of all the Eddie Kendricks' replacement, Damon was the only one to really mimic him.

By FJT (12.75.220.248) on Thursday, March 18, 2004 - 02:05 am:

RD,

Damon sang Eddie's songs, but Damon had a voice and identity of his own. When he was with the Vandals and Impact he had a voice of his own. I don't feel as though he was mimicking Eddie. He had to reproduce a sound, and I think he did it very well. We have to also remember that once Damon got pass the Eddie stage with the Tempts, he helped them to take their music to another direction. A direction I'm not so sure Eddie would have been comfortable with.

By Greezey Dixter (216.139.153.109) on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 02:16 pm:

For those who complain about Eban Brown's presense in this new version of the Out Of Stylistics, tell me, would you pop that ying yang is his face ??? I don't really think so. Eban will more than likely slap the taste out of your mouth.

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.43.74.92) on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 04:52 pm:

any info on
the Monarchs and the Percussions before they merged to become the stylistics also on there early lable called Sebring records owned by bill perry where they hit on first.

mel

By Eli (68.236.53.71) on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 02:12 pm:

mel,
After 'Big Girl' The Stylistics went in to Virtue Studio to complete an album to follow up the single.
Morris Bailey/Bobby Douglas produced.
Daryl hall played piano on the stuff along with BHYE and Douglas.

Avco scrapped the session and they enlisted Thom on the strength of his recent Delfonics smashes.

The tapes are now owned by Amherst.
I called there to inquire but to no avail.

By DEB (67.74.110.164) on Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 12:23 pm:

Did you hear that B.S.on APOLLO.
That harmony wasn't to cool....

By FJT (12.76.27.49) on Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 10:01 pm:

FJT

Greezey Dixter,
Yes, I would pop that ying yang in Eban's face. I can't wait till the day I meet him face to face, so I can tell him what a punk, coward, a__kissing, imitator he is. He's a loser!

Deb,

I agree with you. The Apollo show was the worse. Not only did they totally mangle the harmony, Eban destroyed the lyrics to "Betcha by Golly Wow." On his worse night, Russell would never have messed those lyrics up so bad. Just goes to show you, when you didn't create the music you have no control over it!

By RD (65.54.98.101) on Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 11:01 pm:

FJT, Damon Harris was Eddie Kendricks in the Vandals. Have you heard their recordings? He came into his own with Impact but with the Temptations he was nothing but a poor, less fiery and far less charismatic imitation of Eddie Kendricks. Did you ever wonder why the Motown producers didn't use his voice on leads much? Leaving the Tempts and having taken the place of Eddie Kendricks he became his own singer in Impact. But Puleez, I won't be burning Damon Harris' Temptations leads on a blank CD-R for my listening pleasure any time soon.

By Piano Man (67.74.110.9) on Sunday, March 21, 2004 - 11:59 pm:

Hey FJT
THAT IS COLD...LOL
BUT AS THE WIFE OF RUSSELL I GUESS U HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS YOURSELF...

By Ebans biggest fan (68.218.19.16) on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 01:32 am:

I don't think comparing Eban to Russell is what's important. Eban did what he set out to do and that's to be a great singer. I'm a 15 year old girl that took on a whole new appreciation after sitting in the audience and watching/listening to Eban sing tonight. I was raised listening to the Stylistics and was not heart broken that Eban wasn't Russell. I celebrate the fact that he's as great as he is.
I am Eban's biggest fan and can't wait for the day he marries me. No doubt that Russell is and was an icon, but Eban has my heart!!! And if you're reading this Eban, you know who this is and I'm looking foward to the day when I turn 18 so I can date you.

By wells (66.155.229.162) on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 10:50 am:

Eban Biggest Fan
GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!
STOP USING THE WORD GREAT "GREAT IS A GREAT WORD" He is not that..but good......

By Isaiah (205.188.209.9) on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 01:53 pm:

Mrs. T., I gots to respect the way you PROTECT Mr. T.(smile!) I'd rather rassel with Russell, than tussle with Mrs. T, awright(smile!)

No, Eban aint Russel, because there's only one Russel Thomkins, but then one has to admire the fact that he pays his respects to one of the great tenors of R&B history by trying to imitate him... That's the positive way of looking at things... Since Eban's a homeboy, I like to think that he holds his own, and give him his due props - as long as that's cool with you, Mrs. T.(smile!)

Peace!
Isaiah

By Piano man (66.155.229.162) on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 02:25 pm:

Hey Nosey
I will now say I am sorry to you if I came at you hard..Are u still in Philly?
If so, let's hookup with Russell himself..
once again PEACE TO YOU!!!!!!

By Nosey (66.153.113.238) on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 02:31 pm:

Piano Man: This is a forum, not my life so I didn't get insulted by your remarks. As I said previously, I was no longer going to participate in this thread and chose to take the high road. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I respect everyone's opinion on this board, even those I may disagree with.

Yep, I'm in Philly and I would love to meet my fellow forum members; just name the date, time and place!

By Jackie (129.7.104.50) on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 04:56 pm:

Hi, I respect both artists, They each have their own identity. Eban, is new to the group, so, he sung the songs the way people was use to hearing them. That makes since to me. You have to blend in, then, branch out. He has his own CD. It is nice. Russell, on the other hand has a unique voice. It stands out. His voice has a piercing sweet sound. Ebans' voice is high, but, not piercing to my ears. They are two different people with two different sounds. Russells' CD is great. His voice is remarkable. That's Gods Gift. Lets listen to Eban in 20 years and see if he sounds like he sounds today. Then judge !! Much success to both men !!

By Jackie (129.7.104.50) on Monday, March 22, 2004 - 05:23 pm:

Hi, Mrs FJT, if you are the wife of Russell Thompkins Jr, you should display more character and class. What you said about what you wanted to do to Eban is childish. The profanity is unnecessary and tasteless. Russell can stand on his own. His voice is a special gift from God.It can't be imitated or duplicated. Russell is the epitimy of class and grace. Where did he get you from?. If you are his wife, you should stand behind him and support him. But, do it with style !!.

By Isaiah (205.188.209.9) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 07:04 am:

Jackie, I think Mrs T does stand tall in behalf of her man, and that, as I've expressed a couple of times already, is admirable... How she defends her man(like a woman warrior)is her own personal style, and I don't quibble with the style, because it's the impact that counts...

However, and on the other hand...the entourage has got to go!!!(smile!) What they don't seem to realize is, Russell Thomkins is not in competition with this new version of Stylistics, but more with his old self... Because if he can still brang smoke like he used to, the purists will seek him out, and find him... Therefore, all that is required to promote Russell's appearances is to provide those who want to see him the path of least resistance... And that is not done by casting a "bad" light on the other Stylistics... Shine Russel's light, and leave the rest to his fans... They will come to see him, and keep he and his family well fed...

Peace!
Isaiah

By Jackie (129.7.104.50) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 05:32 pm:

Isaiah,you are absolutely correct !!!

By FJT (12.75.220.17) on Tuesday, March 23, 2004 - 11:04 pm:

Eban's biggest fan,
Sorry sweetie, but he's married with children. I doubt if you'll ever get to date him, much less marry him. Nothing wrong with having the dream!

Isaiah,
Thanks for having a sister's back. When someone tries to steal your husband's identity, it makes you a little defensive. I'm glad you understand where I'm was coming from.

Jackie,
I am the wife of 32 years. I know more about class then you ever will. Don't you have anyone that you would defend?

By Jackie (129.7.104.50) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 11:31 am:

You have been married for 32 years and you have not learned very much!! Class is not based on the amount of profanity you use to get your point across. It is the quality and the choice of words to convey the meaning you are trying to get the public to see and understand. I am happily married with a child. Sweetie, as you say, Who is talking about wanting to marry or having dreams of someone? That's Crazy !! Isaiah commends you for supporting your husband and so do I. I would definitly back by husband 100%. But it is how you do it !!. Isaiah does not agree with you bashing the other set of Stylistics!! That is wrong of you to do that. Russell will make it !! That is a gift that no one can take away. The way you convey yourself sounds so classless. You are married to a ledgend. Have some type of class !! I am quite sure that there are unpleasant circumstances surrounding the departure of Russell from The Stylistics. You can not walk around carrying a grudge and try to slander people because you are mad. Move on !! Russell has. He sounds remarkable !! Success for him will heal his wounds !!. P.S. Mrs FJT the word should be than, not (then) !!

By Mr. fixit (209.66.16.118) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 02:27 pm:

I Just want to make something real clear to everyone when it comes to russel thompkins. I heard him recently in atlantic city and i want you to know that he has not lost his voice an eban is know russel thompkins and should invest some time trying to find his own voice not copy russel all his life.

By Jackie (129.7.104.50) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 03:36 pm:

Why are you all so hostile towards The "Other" Stylistics?. Eban is not trying to take Russells' identity. He became a Stylistic and sang the songs The Stylistics were singing. Those were Russells' original songs he sang and I think he was trying to sing them as close to the original sounds as possible. Eban has his own CD. You need to listen to it. He sounds nothing like Russell. He plays the guitar. His music even sounds like George Benson. He has his own style. You all need to invest some time in trying to find out about him. He was a Delphonic. Now, he is a Stylistic. He sang the songs of the original Delphonics in the same tones as they originally did. I don't hear them saying,that, he tried to still their identity. I think the problem stems from the relationship with the original Stylistics and Russell. Eban was not there. He was hired to do a job, just, like anyone else. You all need to give this mess a break !! Russell is great !! No one can take that away. This is bad publicity for him. Peace Be Still People !! Have a nice day!!

By Nosey (66.153.113.238) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 04:17 pm:

Jackie! Amen Sister!

By Piano Man (67.74.88.81) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 07:59 pm:

Jakie
You sound so good.You say all the right things..
You take the high road...GOOD FOR YOU!!.
Until you travel the road Me or FJT traveled, stop preaching the good sounding Bullshit...She has the right to be bitter,and what bad publicity is Russell getting? It's the opposite,He has gotten STANDING OVATONS SINCE HIS RETURN.
As for EBAN! I know Eban,He is a very good brother,what did you or him or anyone else expect when he started to open his mouth and sing Russell songs..OF course people are going to compare whether it is good or bad.I heard his Album,and what drugs are you on saying it sounds like George Benson.GIVE ME A BREAK.You sound like those who say that Eban sound just like Russell.There are so Many things you don't have a clue about,but u r telling people who went through the BACKSTABBING AND BS from those Buttholes((minus Eban)how to express themselves..If FJT wants to defend HER HUSBAND she can do it anyway she wants..
I am on your side FJT ,nix these peole who didn't walk the road you had to walk.,.Keep defending my big brother Russ! I got your back!!!!!YOU EARNED THAT RIGHT !!!!!!

By Isaiah (205.188.209.13) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 09:51 pm:

Piano Man, you're absolutely right, you've got the RIGHT to be bitter - but do you have to excercise such a right???(smile!) Let me just say this, and bounce... Your hatred is gonna wind up making Eban a very rich martyr(smile!)

Peace!
Isaiah

By IBY (152.163.253.70) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 10:43 pm:

Hey Jackie...How dare you jump on Ms.FJT. The lady has plenty of class whereas it seems you don't. You have some nerve to talk about CLASS!!! You do not know FJT or Russell, so keep your mouth shut. What are you? Some kind of Tackhead to slander a lady for defending her husband!!! Are you Jealous? Sounds like you don't have a man? If you were to down my lady I would also curse at you!!! As for mimicing, Eban should develop his own style instead of trying to copy after Russell. In my opinion he needs to practice more cause he just don't have it!!!! Also I do not like Copycats or imitators. Only the REAL DEAL.

By FJT (12.75.222.7) on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 10:47 pm:

Jackie,
You can talk the talk, but you'll "never" walk the walk. Piano Man and everyone else that's now in the Russell Thompkins, Jr. organization will always have my back, because that's how it is. I'll show you some class right now by not responding to your ignorant remarks anymore. Talk about class, you need to find some! You must be Eban's wife.

By mr. fixit (209.66.16.118) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 10:47 am:

Jackie, I never said that eban was trying to still russel's idenity, all i was saying is he should find his own


mr fixit

By Mr. fixit (209.66.16.118) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:30 am:

Piano man, you do come of a little hard but someone has to because the stylistics can not touch russel and his new group. i heard them in AC and i must say that these guys sing very very good together

By Jackie (129.7.108.139) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:42 am:

Well!! Well!! Well!!, I see the truth hurts. First of all to Piano Man, I am saying the right things because it is the truth. I am on the outside looking in but, what I hear is bitterness and mess. You can not dwell on the past and prosper. You can only learn from it and deter from that road if it comes your way. You all are not the only people who have traveled that road, some have traveled worse. Get over it !! The bitterness will only hinder you and Russell. Russell is a great entertainer. He will always receive standing ovations with or without you all. I never said Eban sounds like Russell. Reread my other writings. He is talented in his own right. You need to listen to what I am writing. I said Eban plays the guitar and it sounds like George Benson. George Benson was one of his idols. As for FJT and her supporting her man, I commend her for that.I defend mine too.It's not what you say, but how you say it. what she would do to Eban if she saw him "Ying Yang in his face, the a--etc.is quite stupid to me. You call Russel a legend and here is his wife acting a fool on the internet. She's encouraging the hatred online and you all are feeding into it. All of a sudden she does not respond, she said to ignorance. I think she now realizes how immature she sounds.I hope so!!! You all act as if Russell is unemployed and suffering. He left the group according to his wife statements because of health reasons. He did the right thing. So many have left for reasons of that nature. What happened after that is the problem to me. I think the issue is between Russell and the Other Stylistics. I think a long time friendship turned bad. He was wronged and I'm quite sure it hurts. You all blowing off this hot air on line is not going to stop the Other Stylistics from performing and you are not going to persuade others from going to see them unless they are your cousins or best friends!! Russell is great. I heard his CD and I like it. He and Eban are two different people, with two different styles and sounds. Stop tripping !!! You act as it you are threatened by The Other Stylistics !! Russell can hold his own!! He need some positive people behind him !! Not messy !! He stepped out on faith. Have faith in him. Your bad mouthing The Other Stylistics show me that you fear something !! I am rational, and to the point. I don't fake and I don't shake. You people need to get a life!!

By JACKIE (129.7.108.139) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:55 am:

Hi, IBY I did not jump on FJT. As a lady, I can spot another lady and what she has shown me on line is not that of a lady. Classy women do not belittle themselves or stoop down to cursing to get their point across. Tearing down another Black man, thinking you are uplifting another one. That's not the way. She should focus on Russell's strenghts and move forward. Kwowledge is power. Intelligence will carry you much further than a loud mouth saying nothing!!.

By Jackie (129.7.108.139) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 12:34 pm:

Hi Mr Fixit, I don't think I personally said that you said Eban was trying to steal Russell's identity. I still don't understand why people think that. I think it is unfair to him !! I saw the Other Stylistics in concert and they were entertaining. I can tell the difference in Eban and Russell's voice. Both are talented in their own right. I think this is an East Coast thing!! We don't see it that way. Singers are replaced , some dogged or whatever, I think it is wrong for people to slander another groups'name. That's tacky. Whatever the problem is , let Russell air it out. He has turned over a new leaf. What is the beef about? Is it going to change anything?

By JACKIE (129.7.108.139) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 01:16 pm:

Hi FJT, don't get offended !! What I said is the truth. I call it like I hear it. You are messy !!You said that I can talk the talk but, I will never walk the walk. FJT where have you been and where are you going? You sound like a young teeny bopper. Knowledge is power. You are lacking !! Here buy some class $.50 You have about this much!! I am not Eban's wife, see you are messy!!Do you have a profession of your own? or Is Russell just your Bread and Butter?

By Piano man (66.155.229.162) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 02:17 pm:

Hey Jackie..
You sounding good,,you are sounding good..
Once again u talking Ying Yang..
It is your BOYS!(or someone around them) that is scared..that why they are trying the best to slander this man around the world..all the lies that were and is said about this man you wouldn't believe..SO I come and defend against these lies..
So I commend FJT for what is saying and doing..
I told you don't what the deal is,so be nice and speak on what you know...
As for FJT..SHE has A FEW DEGREES....So she can make it on her own...

By JACKIE (129.7.104.50) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 03:55 pm:

OK PIANO MAN !!! BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT LIES WERE TOLD ON RUSSELL. THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY. ALL WE HEAR IS YOUR BASHING THE OTHER STYLISTICS. GREED WILL DESTROY A MAN OR GROUP AND SO WILL HATRED. I HEARD RUSSELL'S CD AND TO ME HIS VOICE SOUNDS STONGER AND PURER. YOU ALL NEED TO STOP HARPERING ON THE OTHER STYLISTICS. RUSSELL'S GOT IT GOING ON!!!

By MusicLoverinLA (216.249.94.241) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 04:15 pm:

Please -- Can't we all just get along?

By Jackie (129.7.108.139) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 05:48 pm:

These people have too much vengence and hatred towards The Other Stylistics !!

By FJT (12.76.19.222) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 08:38 pm:

Jackie,

This is the last time I address your ignorance. I've had a profession of my own for over 30 years. I was the one who took care of things when Russell left the group and I'm still doing it today. I never needed a man to support me, that's why I can say or do what I please. If you don't like it too bad. When you experience over 30 years of life in the music business, then you can talk to me. Evidently, you have a serious problem with people expressing themselves. Who are you to tell any of us, to let it go. You don't have a clue as to what it is we should even be letting go. You need to take the preaching back to church. We aren't children. We have lived a life you will never experience.

By the way, I have a BA in Accounting, a Masters in English, and I am working on a Masters in Education. What do you have, besides a mouth that probably gets you in trouble all the time!

By FJT (12.76.19.222) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 08:44 pm:

Isaiah,

I like where you're coming from. You, unlike other people on this thread, are coming from a 'positive' place. I do see your point about not giving the "other" any recognition, simply by just not talking about them. I think I'll follow your advice on that one.

By IBY (205.188.209.13) on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 10:49 pm:

Hey Jackie

I not going argue with you!!! Its not your fault cause you do not know what's happening!! Although you are correct in one point by saying there are two sides to each story. But you are wrong in trying to protect these other "Stylistics" & their phony organizations. Justice will prevail. But I seem them in action and know them personally, its just like FJT said "They are some back stabbing son of "B......" But Ms. FJT do not have to worry cause there are those like myself who love both her & Russell and will always continue to watch their backs. I'm just giving you the scoop even though I do not own you an explanation.

By Jackie (24.174.18.160) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 12:19 am:

FJT, with all of degrees as you say, I am surprise you show so much ignorance. You are an educated fool. First of all, I only responded to your lack of decency. That Ying Yang mess and you wanted to see him face to face to tell him he was an a-- etc. I could not believe I was hearing that from someone who was the wife of Russell Thompkins. You sound ghetto!! I have no quarrels with you about supporting your husband. I don't know Eban or Russell. What I am saying to you and the others you are wrong for expressing yourself in the manner that you are. FJT, you say all of these tacky things and you call me ignorant. Your level of degrees does not match your INTELLIGENCE !! YOU MARRIED RUSSELL, FOR RICHER OR POORER !! SO MANY WOMEN HAVE TO TAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY!! DON'T BE MAD AT ME BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS. I DON'T HAVE TO KNOW THE SITUATION TO MAKE COMMEMTS ON HOW YOU ALL SOUND!! I FEEL SORRY FOR RUSSELL!! BY THE WAY I AM A LAWYER FROM CORNELL UNIVERSITY. YOU HAVE A GOOD LIFE AND I WILL LEAVE YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE TO YOURSELVES!!

By deb (67.74.98.77) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 12:27 am:

I see why you are so fucked up..YOu are a Lawyer!!!
"so you say"" lol
Peace to you Miss thang!!!!(smile)

By FJT (12.75.220.145) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 01:00 am:

Deb,

My sentiments exactly! She's a stupid bitch! And furthermore, there's nothing wrong with being ghetto. Isn't there a little bit of ghetto in all of us? You should never forget where you came from.

By JACKIE (129.7.111.78) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 12:11 pm:

SEE, IGNORANCE SPEAKS OUT. YES I AM A LAWYER WITH SENSE AND CLASS. FJT I AM GLAD THAT YOU DO ADMIT TO BEING IGNORANT AND YOU HAVE COMPANY TOO!! HEY DEB. I AM BLACK, BUT, NOT GHETTO. I DID NOT COME FROM A GHETTO MENTALITY. JUST BECAUSE YOU COME FROM POVERTY DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO ACT LIKE IT. SO FJT AND DEB YOU ALL ARE IN GOOD COMPANY, EACH OTHERS. I DEAL WITH CLASS NOT TRASH. !!BYE !!P.S. GET A WEBSTER DICTIONARY!! THERE ARE OTHER CHOICES OF WORDS !! USE IT IF YOU HAVE ONE!! I AM A LAWYER, BUT, FIRST A LADY!!

By FJT (63.101.18.210) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 02:24 pm:

Ignorance is bliss!!

By JACKIE (129.7.111.78) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 03:22 pm:

FJT, YOU ARE AN AUTHORITY ON THE SUBJECT. RUSSELL COULD HAVE DONE BETTER !! PEACE BABY !!

By G (192.91.75.30) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 04:04 pm:

Peruses thread...reads Jackie's commments and determines that sh'es been sipping on a Super Big Gulp sized cup of hater-ade...

Wishes she was drinking a big cup of shut the hell up!

By JACKIE (129.7.111.78) on Friday, March 26, 2004 - 04:28 pm:

OH!!, IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!

By impressed (205.188.209.13) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 04:28 pm:

I heard the "other" Stylistics on a PBS Special last Saturday and didn't even know who that one singer was. But he impressed me so much, I looked him up on the Internet. Go, Eban! I don't know who's comparing who, but you have my heart, along with that 15-year-old. And, I'm 51.

By Mr. fixit (209.66.16.118) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 01:31 pm:

Once again I will try and fix this mess. yes jackie, Eban does a good job, as a matter of fact he is the best in that group because herb and arion can not sing for shit. you said you saw the other group and they were entertaining, if that is true,you also know that they sound a 100 times better then the group that eban is in. if he was smart he would save his money so he can get away from them bums

By Mr. fixit (209.66.16.118) on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 10:32 am:

Well Well Well, i guess i fixed every thing, i have not heard from anyone yesterday.

By Jackie (129.7.106.137) on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 12:57 pm:

WELL!!! WELL !!! WELL!!! YOU ARE SO WRONG !!! YOU ONLY PUT FIRE ON A FLAME THAT IS SURLY DUE TO BURN OUT !!!. MY JOB IS NOT DEBATING WITH PEOPLE WHO ONLY WANT PEOPLE TO HEAR AND BELIEVE ONLY ONE SIDE. WHO IS TO SAY THAT WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING IS THE WHOLE TRUTH?. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE OTHER SIDE TO JUDGE. BUT WHO CARES IN THIS DILEMMA ? NOT ME!!

By Michelle (68.218.85.151) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 12:00 am:

Good news to any and all of those who were impressed with Eban Brown of the Stylistics. Eban is an very talented singer and guitarist. He has a cd out now titled, "Master Suite". You can view his website and hear some clips by going to www.ebanbrown.cjb.net
I am in the midst of finishing up the final details in putting together an Eban Brown fan club. Anyone interested in joining the fan club or finding out more about Eban and what he's up to, you can write to the fan club at master_sweet@bellsouth.net

By Mr fixit (205.188.117.14) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:45 am:

Who the hell would want to be a fan of Eban? he is a nobody.

By Jean (63.101.18.210) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 09:54 am:

That CD has been out for 3 years and nobody's buying it. Don't waste your time with a fan club. You may be the only fan.

By Nosey (66.153.113.238) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 11:34 am:

This is sad. What started out as an innocent thread has become very ugly with both groups being dragged through the mud. Recognize, please.

By Vonnie (205.188.117.14) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 11:38 am:

Nosey,

I agree with you. The names that are posting on this thread are not part of the regular SD posters. So saying this their barbs should be ignored. It shows what type of character they have going for them ZERO....

Vonnie

By Truefanfromphilly (64.12.117.14) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 02:25 pm:

Hi Everyone,
This is my first post here, although I have been observing for quit some time. I must first of all say that you all have great insight, and you all make very good points.The point that I believe many of you are missing is that Mr Thompkins definately has a right to continue his craft unimpeded. Certainly if any of the remaining active members of the original STYLISTICS has a right to do so, it is Russell Thompkins Jr. Many of you appear not realize that almost every single day FJT wakes up to news that her husband's career is being attacked by the two people who should be protecting him the most,(The Other two original Stylistics). These are the two guys who he remained Loyal to, when everyone in the business said it would make far better business sense to part with them. When those Producers borrowed them from the studio, it was Russell who got in that booth, sang the note with them to make sure they also recieved a royalty. The common advise to Russell was "If you are going to sing all of the songs, you may as well reap all of the benefits"
but Russell has that NORTH PHILLY LOYALTY, I understand it, because that's were I am from also!, and it simply says " We came here together, and we're leaving together! no matter What" "I'll Never leave you Wounded Or Hurting No Matter What". It has nothing to do with a Gang Banger mentality, or negativeism. It is plain and simply LOYALTY to a friend!!!! but as we see here, it works best when all parties are equally envolved.

Another point that I believe got lost here is that, when Russell first began to have vocal problems he ask the other two guys to take a short break so that he could rest his voice. the first thing they did (without his knowledge) was to start auditioning people to replace him. (Not what one would expect from two guys who you have been protecting for so many years, Is It?) but believe me that's exactly what happened!!!!!
They thought he was done! they thought he would never come back, and so they began to realize what they had wanted all along, all of the SPOT LIGHT, all of the GLORY, and most of all! ALL OF THE MONEY!!!!!!!!
So for three years they thought it was smoothe sailing, they hired some one to mimic his sound, they didn't have to listen to him telling them to do the right thing all the time, they could do what they wanted to do, when they wanted without any opposition, oh yah! and now they could split his share of his money between the two of them. Because Eban Brown does not get Russell's cut of the Proverbial Pie, even though he like Russell does ALL OF THE WORK. They were thinking "MAN THIS IS SWEET". Then one day they looked around and there he is, STRONGER, SOUNDING SWEETER, and MORE DETERMINED than ever.
Now all of a sudden you realize your plan didn't work, you realize he's still going to get the PROPS that's due to him. You realize he is going to continue to be in the spotlight, but here is the scary part! you realize that all of those TRUEFANS will seek him out, and do what you should have done, REMAIN LOYAL TO HIM, and that means a loss of revenue. So that's when the issue of "THE NAME" came up, also the threats to Promoters, and Agents..... So you see! there is a lesson here for us all. Let's all teach our children"NEVER TO CHEW OFF THE ARM THAT FEEDS THEM, BECAUSE SOON THEY WILL REALIZE THAT THEY ARE EATING THIER LAST MEAL"

Now Jackie,

you can't tell a man to "PUT IT BEHIND YOU, LEAVE THE PAST IN THE PAST, GET OVER IT" when he's still in a FOX HOLE, UNER DIRECT FIRE!!!!

I also think that it is unfare to provoke someone to anger, and then tell them how they should or shouldn't re-act. I am quit sure there have been times in your past when you have re-acted in a way that may not have been agreeable to others, but at the very same time it did NOT subtract anything from you as a person!!!!!!

I think the thing for all of us to do is to listen to FJT, share her experience, and then try to encourage her, Not make it worse by giving her a NEW battle to fight, while she is already engaged in one that is so intense!!!!!!!!

PEACE TO US ALL
TFFP

By Piano Man (4.238.254.82) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 03:57 pm:

TFFP..
You have said correctly!!!My Hands to you!!!!
FJT!!I am with you all the way....
Peace!!!!!!!!!!

By RD (68.169.126.238) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 06:43 pm:

TFFP, I've seen the Stylistics live many times and Herb does a lead in their shows and Airron a co-lead. Herb also is the groups' spokesman on stage. But I agree,the lead singer does the bulk of the work.

You make a good point when you posted that Herb and Airron now gets a bigger piece of the pie with Russell out. When these old soul groups bring in new members as replacements they never share the proceeds equally with them, which is why Sammy Strain opt to return to Little Anthony & the Imperials to get "original member money" and leave the O'Jays where he was getting "replacement member" money.

By Juicefree20 (151.205.169.232) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 07:02 pm:

All that I'll add is that I'm sure that Russell will do quite well. He's earned the right to reap some dividends. I would love to hear what Mr Love & Murrell have to say about their alleged actions as I would find this type of betrayal to be indefensible & reprehensible. If these are in fact baseless charges, I would love to hear their side of the story. I don't want to hear their story from fans, who have their own loyalties & are usually far, far removed from the loop. I feel that as Piano Man & Mrs Tompkins have the temerity to speak up, the other fellas should speak truth to power. If both Piano Man & Mrs Tompkins are lying, this would be libelous. I haven't heard of any lawsuits regarding this & I'm sure that they are privy to these types of conversations. As I don't believe that they would tolerate being libeled here, I have to assume that both Piano Man & Mrs Tompkins words have the ring of truth to them. Until a representative for the fellas send out a cease & desist order, I have to believe the words of Piano Man & Mrs Tompkins, over the opinions of any fans. I hope that this can be straightened out before it gets any worse than it already is.

Juice

By Truefanfromphilly (64.12.117.14) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 08:37 pm:

Juice,

I said comming in that you guys are a very insightful group, and Juice you have done your part to prove me right. We have occupied the STYLISTICS/RUSSELL THOMPKINS JR thread @ soul24-7.com where we have gotten over 1700 post (five separate threads), we have been busy giving Russell's Truefanstheworldover the TRUTH,THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. we know that they (the other original Stylistics) knew and are still aware of everything that we have said. No one has ever come forward to say any of it was a lie. and do you want to know why? because every word of it WAS, and IS the absolute TRUTH!!!!!!!! every word that FJT, and Piano Man has spoken is the TRUTH.

RD,

It's one thing to "SING A SONG IN A SHOW" or to, from time to time REQUSET that the growd "SING ALONG", but it's a whole other thing to have to NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, SING SONG AFTER SONG for THIRTY-FIVE PLUS YEARS!!!!!

Lastly, I would like t say that I believe Eban Brown stepped into a strange situation. For the first three years his position had an air of legitimacy, because the man who he was replacing was not able to perform. Now that Russell Thompkins has returned with (as someone called it) "Full Steam" it becomes more and more difficult to justify the need for a "CLONE" to Russell's MILLIONS< AND MILLIONS OF FANS.
I have listened to Eban's CD and I agree with Jackie! Eban sounds nothing like Russell. However that is not said to subtract anything from Eban as an artist, he is talented, no question!!!
But for all of US TRUEFANFROMEVERYWHERE, he just ain't Russell Thompkins Jr. To US THE MASTER OF THE LOVE SONG STILL LIVES!!!!! So we don't need a Copy. Again, I must say that I am in no way trying to subtract anything from Eban Brown as a musician, or a vocalist, he is very good!!!
Maybe Eban is smarter than we think, maybe he is doing what I would do! and that is to use the position to launch my own career, where I could at least get PAID for CARRYING THE ENTIRE LOAD.

Remember! We all can make a positive differance!!!

TFFP

By RD (68.169.126.238) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 09:08 pm:

Shoot me TFFP and others as well but I've never been a big Russell Thompkins or Stylistics' fan; I have, however, been and still is an admirerer of Thom Bell's productions on the Stylistics. After the first three album (produced by Thom Bell) I lost interest as did many others in the States. That interest came back a little when they did a couple of albums with Philly International...but only a little. Shyt!!! Give me the Delfonics anyday...on record anyway...more soulful to my ears.

Whoever manages the Stylistics earns whatever he makes cause he somehow manages to (after all these years) keep them as the headline act over I feel more competent and better entertaining groups for a number of years on the soul tour they do in various cities. I've never considered the Stylistics on par live with groups like the Temptations, the Dramatics, the Chi-lites, Ray, Goodman & Brown, the Dells, etc. IMO, the Stylistics live show is just not on the level of these other groups, testament to half of theaters walking out on them before their set is half over.

By truefanfromphilly (205.188.117.14) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 10:42 pm:

RD,

Believe me! you are nowhere near being in any cross hairs of mine for not being a Stylistics fan, but with all due respect, there are no other groups on those 70's Soul Jam shows who can boast of having 30+ Gold and Platinum records to thier credit, and the same kind of international recognition. So all it boils down to in this case is your own personal preference, and that's fine.

Russell Thompkins Jr is still Headlining with his New Organization, and believe me, no body is walking out, he is averaging TWO STANDING OVATIONS PER PERFORMANCE, and usually does three to five minute curtain calls, and is almost always available to sign autographs for the hundreds of FANS who are always waiting.

So you see! it is not a matter of rather or not you are a FAN. What's more important is how Russell Thompkins Jr treats the Millions of us who are!!!!!!!!!

You might want to check him out. These are definately not the same old Sylistics that yu heard!!!!!!!!

By don (198.81.26.103) on Sunday, April 04, 2004 - 07:09 pm:

Hi, everyone,
This is a very interesting thread. Lots of passion, and a lot of good points.
Jackie,
I'd like to say this to you...and I think I will..you are absolutely wrong for saying that FJT has no class, and is ignorant. She is the expression of class. She is a strong, elegant woman who has her man's back. Also, she is a very caring, compassionate, giving individual. Any man would love to have a woman in his corner who's ready to defend him at the drop of a hat. FJT has Russell's back and walks by his side! Jackie, you seem to have an overinflated view of yourself, especially saying that Russell could have done better in a wife than FJT. Who are you? I guess God's choice of woman for Russell didn't match up to your high standards, huh? If only the Lord of heaven and earth would have only consulted with HIS attorney, HIS advisor on marital matters, HIS superior, Jackie...then Russell would be better off, huh?
And how are you ,of all people, going to tell someone how they should feel? Since you ain't "ghetto," but far above that, and haven't walked in another's shoes, how are you supposed to say to someone that they shouldn't feel the way they feel OR express their true feelings? If you're so in tune with God, and sooooooooo intelligent, and let's not forget the fact that yoore a law-yerr 2, wit no gettoe, I mean "Ghee~`ott~toe" in ya, why don't YOU accept the truth that FJT feels the way she feels, and that she's up front with hers, and you just need to pray for her. I'm sure she'd appreciate that, Jackie. You are NOT her mother, so you do not need to try yo teach her in matters you know very little about. That's ignorance on your part! Pretty blissful, ain't it? You've been saying knowledge is power. Knowledge is power only when you use it.
When I say that FJT is a lady of class, I know what I'm talking about, doesn't matter what you or anyone thinks. Just because someone gets angry and expresses it the way it is inside of them, doesn't make them classless or ignorant. It makes them unlike you...REAL!

By Mr. Fixit (64.12.117.14) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 08:50 am:

well well well, i see we all have a lot to say this week, well i guess I'll just put my two cents in. As i said before, russel's new group is 100% better then the old group and if you all know anything about music, you would know that. I will be so happy when they do there first CD.

By Truefanfromphill (64.12.117.14) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 11:57 am:

MR Fixit,

From what I understand Russell T is right now in the process of picking songs for his new CD, which leads me to my next question. If the Old Stylistics were to record, would they record new music that sounds like the music of the Stylistics with Russell Thompkins Jr, or will they record the music of thier new Lead Singer/Producer/Guitarist Eban Brown, using his own talent and voice?

TFFP

Just a question, not meant to be a put down!!!

By Mr. Fixit (209.66.16.118) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 12:20 pm:

Truefanfromphilly

IT would be to his best interest to start recording his own songs useing his own voice, not his copy voice of russel.

By JACKIE (129.7.104.50) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 02:25 pm:

HELLO TFFP, I THINK YOU NEED TO READ THROUGH THE POSTS AGAIN. I DID NOT PROVOKE ANYONE TO ANGER. I MADE A COMMENT ON HER MANNERISM TOWARDS EBAN. THAT'S WHAT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION ANYWAY. SHE SAID"IF SHE SAW EBAN WHAT SHE WOULD DO FACE TO FACE WITH HIS COWARDLY A-- ETC.IS THAT CLASS? NOT TO ME. I RESPECT HER SUPPORT FOR RUSSELL, BUT HER WAY OF COMING ACROSS WAS IGNORANT TO ME !! SHE HAS THUS TONED IT DOWN !! THAT WAS MY OPINION AND YOU CAN HAVE YOURS. !! HAVE A NICE DAY !!

By truefanfromphilly (152.163.253.70) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 02:38 pm:

Mr Fixit,

I Totaly Agree!!!!!!

but could that legitimately be called Stylistics music, at least to the Millions of Fans around the world?

By JACKIE (129.7.110.52) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 02:48 pm:

HELLO DON, YOU NEED TO REREAD THE POST. THIS IS NOT A QUESTION OF FJT NOT SUPPORTING HER HUSBAND. I COMMEND HER FOR THAT. BUT, DRAGGING THE OTHER STYLISTICS THROUGH THE MUD IS NOT COOL IN MY OPINION. TO ME THAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN CLASSLESS ACT WHEN YOU HAVE TO USE PROFANITY TO PROMOTE ANOTHER PERSON. I SAID WHAT I FELT AND THESE POSTS CONFIRM MY FINDINGS. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINION AND SOME OF YOU WANT YOUR OPINION TO BE THE ONLY ONE. IF YOU SAY ANYTHING INDIFFERENT TO WHAT YOU ALL BELIEVE TO BE TRUE, THEN YOU ARE PROVOKING ANGER !! FJT WAS IN THE PROVOKING STATE OF MIND NOT ME. I DID NOT COURSE HER, SHE USED THOSE UNKINDLY WORDS TOWARD ME !! I WAS NOT RECEPTIVE OF THAT. I IGNOR IGNORANCE !! JUST BY READING YOUR COMMENT, I COULD PROBABLY SAY THAT YOU ARE PART OF THAT ORGANIZATION, BUT I COULD BE WRONG.!! I CAME INTO THIS THREAD WITH OPINIONS. NOT ANGER AND HATRED LIKE SOME OF YOU !! YOU CAN ATTACK MY CHARACTER ETC !! I CAN HOLD MY GROUNDS!! IT IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE "NOT WHAT YOU SAY BUT, HOW YOU SAY IT" "LET THE RECORD SHOW" BYE AND HAVE A NICE DAY !!!

By Juicefree20 (68.161.49.152) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 03:38 pm:

Truefan & Mr Fixit, if the lead vocal strays away from the sound that we all grew accustomed to hearing on those classic songs, it couldn't possibly be considered "The Stylistics". I would suggest that if they were to do that, a name change should be in order. True Stylistics fans & any who have heard any of their classics expect to hear a certain sound & a certain voice. To make any radical changes to that sound, while using "The Stylistics" as a name, would amount to capitalizing on the name. To the true fans (not the ones who only watch the oldie shows), as long as Russell is alive & singing, no other group can truly be called "The Stylistics". You can build a car from a kit, it's still not the original car. I'm sorry that any of this occurred & it's sad that they won't be able to "Put It All Together". The original lineup is the only one that is acceptable from a purists standpoint. This is merely one man's opinion.

Juice

By Truefanfromphilly (152.163.253.70) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 03:48 pm:

Hi Jackie,

I must apologize if my "YOU" in that previous post Lead you to believe that I thought you intentionally tryed to Provoke FJT to anger, it only meant that you did bring about the re-action by making the statement, No matter what the motive was, the result was the same. I believe the intent behind the statement could have been totally without malice, because much of what you said was absolutly on the money (it's a wonder you didn't here my amens). The mistake that was made here is an age old one! What is that? here it is, Sometimes before we've heard the WHOLE STORY we (In many cases out of a need to help) begin to give advise.
NOw in a situation such as this it would be nearly impossible to give SOUND ADVICE, especially if the one giving the advice were a novice, but for the Professional, not only would it be very risky, but it would also be very un-wise, and highly un-ethical, especially for a Lawyer. For a Lawyer to daydream, or doodle while his client is giving him the account from which he is going to build his entire strategy upon, would be offering his client a fool for an advocate! Jackie, I agreed with so much of what you said, and I also believe If you truely knew the facts of this matter, you would be a little less the judge, and a little more the counselor!!

Now I must ask you to do, as you have asked me to do, and that is to "GO BACK" and read your previous post, and ask yourself if there was anything you said, that you might have said differently under a different set of EMMOTIONAL circumstances? and then ask yourself if that is not the same kind of re-action that landed FJT in the "NO CLASS SECTION"?

By JACKIE (129.7.104.50) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 04:35 pm:

NO !! EVERYTHING I SAID IS ON THE UP AND UP !! THESE ARE MY OPINIONS AS I HAVE STATED. I AM ENTITLED TO MAKE AN OPINION BASED ON WHAT I HEAR YOU ALL SAY!!WHETHER YOU ALL LIKE IT OR AGREE WITH IT IS TRULY IRRELEVANT. THIS IS A FORUM. NOT A COURT OF LAW. I AM NOT ON THE CLOCK AND THERE IS NO CLIENT OF MINE ON THIS TRIAL. I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY AND YOU PROBABLY DON'T KNOW EITHER. FJT LANDED HERSELF IN THE NO CLASS SECTION BY HER CHOICE OF WORDS. IF YOU ARE SO CONCERNED WHY DON'T YOU CONSTRUCT SOME GRAMMATICALLY INTACT SENTENCES FOR HER AND EMAIL THEM. BYE HAVE A NICE DAY!!!

By JACKIE (129.7.104.50) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 04:44 pm:

TFFP, ARE YOU SURE YOU READ EVERYTHING FJT HAS SAID?. CHECK OUT THE OTHER POST !!

By Jean (63.101.18.210) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 05:28 pm:

She likes to tell everyone else what they should or should not do, but she gets mighty defensive when her opinions are challenged! Sounds like a hypocrite to me.

By JACKIE (129.7.104.50) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 05:58 pm:

NO!! IF YOU ARE REFERING TO ME, I AM NOT TRYING TO TELL ANYONE WHAT THEY SHOULD SAY, DO OR THINK. I AM STATING MY OPINION, JUST LIKE THEY ARE AND THEY ARE ON THE DEFENSIVE. YOU ARE TOTALLY CONFUSED. THEY ARE MAKING THE STATEMENTS AND I AM JUST RESPONDING TO THEM. THEIR PROBLEM IS THEY DON'T WANT TO BE CHALLENGED !! MY SAY OR THE HIGHWAY IS THEIR MOTTO!! I WOULD NOT REFER TO THEM AS BEING HYPOCRITES. JUST ? MY OPINIONS CAN BE CHALLENGED ANY TIME. THAT WHAT'S CALL A FORUM!! I CAN TAKE THE HEAT IN AND OUT OF THE KITCHEN AND STILL SPEAK INTELLIGENTLY AND WITH CLASS.

By Truefanfromphilly (152.163.253.70) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 06:21 pm:

Jackie,

Yes I have read them all, I've read ALL OF YOUR POSTS, ALL OF FJT'S POSTS, and ALL OF EVERYONE'S POSTS!!!!

Remember! FJT is the one who has SUFFERED here, so I must firstly, try to hear her out so that I can understand what it is she has gone through. Why? so that I can begin to assist her in removing some of the pain of BETRAYAL, TRECHERY, DIS-LOYALTY, and an outright effort to hender her and her husbands ability to continue the lifestyle that they both have become accostomed to.

Now surely this woman's well being is worth far more than some ILL PLACED LOYALTY to a pair of Guys who has already shown us ALL HOW THEY REPAY LOYALTY!!!!!!

If you realy think about it, the real reason why you defend them without even knowing if FJT & PIANO MAN are telling the TRUTH, is probably because of your LOVE for the music, MUSIC MADE FAMOUS AROUND THE WORLD, BECAUSE OF THE INCREDI BLE VOICE OF RUSSRLL THOMPKINS JR.

I happen to think that some of the things you said were not necessary, "You are messy","You are an educated fool" "Lack of decency" "You sound Ghetto" "Russell could have done better" ".50 for class" I could go on, but it is not necessary!
My point is this, I can tell by the other statements that you made that you are a very intelligent woman. You are very articulate, and wise. It just so happens that you stepped outside of all of that just long enough to say those things that I mentioned above, but I still feel that you are everything I just discribed you as!!


With much Respect,

TFFP

PS You remind me so much of FJT!!!!!!!!

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 06:22 pm:

I'VE READ ENOUGH....I THINK HEALTHY DEBATE IS GOOD FOR ONE AND ALL...BUT JUST AS THERE IS AN UP AND DOWN, A YING AND A YANG, A COKE AND A PEPSI....THIS TOPIC WILL ALSO HAVE TWO SIDES. ULTIMATELY THIS SITUATION WILL BE SETTLED ONCE AND FOR ALL BY THE PUBLIC IN IT'S OWN GOOD TIME REGARDLESS OF WHAT TRANSPIRES ON THIS SITE. THE ONE THING THAT WE SHOULD ALL BE GRATEFULL IS THAT RUSSELL THOMPKINS HAS COME BACK TO US TO GIVE US MORE OF HIS WONDERFULL MUSIC, REGARDLESS IF HE IS SING SOLO, WITH THE ORIGINAL MEMBERS OR WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GROUP.....HAVING HIM BACK IS "ALL" THAT MATTERS. AND IF THE "OTHER" STYLISTICS CAN'T CUT IT BELIEVE ME THEY'LL JUST FADE AWAY IN SHORT ORDER. "TIME" AND THE "PUBLIC" WILL SOLVE THIS.....WHEN MORE PEOPLE HEAR AND SEE RUSSELL BACK....THERE WILL BE NO MORE "OTHER" STYLISTICS....SO IF WE CAN ALL JUST AGREE ON THAT...ALL THIS OTHER TALK IS JUST A WASTE....THE OVERALL NEGATIVE ENERGY BEING PUT INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS AMONG SOME OF US CAN BE BETTER SERVED BY CELEBRATING HIS NEW CD AND WHAT WE CAN ANTICIPATE HIM COMING OUT WITH NEXT.........& WISHING THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO LEAVE US AGAIN.

By Truefanfromphilly (152.163.253.70) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 06:58 pm:

NY-DELL,

I agree, and if that NY in your NY-DELL means NEW YORK! Russell Thompkins Jr and The Stylistics will be comming to the Beacon Theater on April 30 04. You might want to check them out!!!!!

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 07:07 pm:

Truefanfromphilly:
YES...I'M IN NEW YORK AND WILL BE THERE

By Juicefree20 (68.161.49.152) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 07:25 pm:

NY-Dell, Juice from NY here. You have put them exclamation point on this thread. What you have said is the point of it all & frankly, There's no room for argument about it. I second your opinion, as there's nothing quite like the original. The cream must & will always rise to the top.

Juice

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 07:27 pm:

THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.....I JUST WISH SOME OF THE LADIES WOULD THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID

By Piano Man (4.238.249.224) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 09:00 pm:

SHE A LAWYER,HELLO OUT THERE..SHE GETS PAID TO ARGUE..STOP FEEDING INTO THE GAME....
Give her the opinions she rightly deserves,Cut the other Bullshit out...It is a waste of time.She knows nothings of the situation and want to be the spokeperson for the OTHER SIDE(other Stylistics)..which is cool,however she speaks like she knows the deal...I stop long time ago with this beautiful young lady responding to her cramp...Can't you see ,CAN WE ALL JUST AGREE WITH HER..SO WE CAN DISCUSS MUSIC..THE GOOD AND THE BAD.
I know the real deal.........I still have much respect for MY FRIEND JACKIE...
Hey NY-DELL..AND Juice..I would like to meet you at the Beacon...email me.. ktmpc@yahoo.com
Also Jackie..We don't need to Promote Russell on this thread or any other thread. He doesn't need it.THE WORLD KNOWS HIM.....

By Juicefree20 (68.161.49.152) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 09:31 pm:

What's up Piano Man? You know, the truth always comes to the light. Sometimes it happens quickly & as we've seen some truth takes years to come out. However, it almost always comes out. I wish success for all & somehow, this will work itself out for the betterment of all. Russell will get his due based on his talent & hard work. The other fellas will do ok with some bookings & things as such. As Russell is available & singing, in all good consciousness, the other fellas should change the name of the group, as the group simply is not "The Stylistics" any longer. I doubt that it can be worked out, but if it could & they were to rejoin Russell, I would then consider them to be The Stylistics. Anything less is unacceptable for me.

Juice

By don (4.18.201.66) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 01:19 am:

Hi Jackie,
Thanks, I am having a nice day, by the way. The first thing we need to get straight at this point is this, I'm not hating anything but falsehood. You said FJT is dragging the other Stylistics through the mud. Are you sure it's not the other way around. How much research have you put into finding out. I would think anyone would be kinda upset if their mate went through the stuff Russell went through for all the years he did. Maybe you would have a different way of expressing your feelings. Cool, if that's the truth inside of you. But don't trip because someone (namely, FJT) is telling her true feelings, that's all I was trying to say.

By Mr. Fixit (64.12.117.14) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 08:55 am:

Juice
I want you to know that i have alot of respect for the things you have shared, however when you get to see and hear the new guys that russell has you would not feel that way about the orginal guys must be with russel in order for it to be pure. the old guys never song on the records anyway they only took a long ride on russel.
the new guys with russel is 100% better.

By CORNBREAD (66.185.84.74) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 09:00 am:

Didn't Airron lead in some parts of "Go now"?

By Jean (63.101.18.210) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 09:48 am:

Dell-NY,

You took the words right out of my mouth. We need to get back to what the musics's all about.

By CORNBREAD (66.185.84.74) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 09:54 am:

HALLELUIJAH !!!! AMEN !!!!

By Jackie (129.7.104.50) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 11:41 am:

HELLO TFFP, LET ME RESPOND TO YOU ONLY!! THE STATEMENTS THAT YOU POINTED OUT WERE STEMMED FROM A CAUSE AND AN EFFECT. WHEN I FIRST RAN ACROSS THIS POST, I WAS JUST READING UNTIL I RAN ACROSS THIS PARTICULAR POST. WHEN I READ WHAT FJT WAS SAYING TO PIANO MAN ABOUT THE OTHER STYLISTICS ESPECIALLY EBAN(I DO NOT KNOW HIM AT ALL), I THOUGHT THIS WAS TERRIBLE. I DID NOT BELIEVE SHE WAS RUSSELL THOMPKINS JR WIFE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WHO DID WHAT OR WHO IS TELLING THE TRUTH? AT THIS POINT I DON'T REALLY CARE. JUST BECAUSE FJT IS GOING THROUGH TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS , IS IT OK FOR HER TO BAD MOUTH OTHER PEOPLE AND WHEN SOMEONE ELSE RESPONDS TO HER REMARKS EVERYONE ELSE IS ON THE DEFENSE. FJT CALLED EBAN A COWARDLY A-- INMITATOR, CALLED ME A B---- ETC. EVERYTHING I SAID ABOUT HER IS TRUE IN MY OPINION FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD HER SAY ABOUT EBAN AND MYSELF. SHE MAY BE THIS GODDESS TO YOU ALL , BUT I DON'T SEE THAT WAY. SHE PAINTED A PICTURE OF AN UNCLASSY LADY TO ME ON THIS FORUM. YOU ALL CAN OVERLOOK WHAT SHE HAS SAID BECAUSE SHE IS RUSSELL THOMPKINS WIFE. I TAKE IT AS AN INSULT TO BE COMPARED TO FJT. I DID NOT CURSE HER ETC. I WILL ALWAYS BE A LADY UNDER ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US!! I SUGGEST YOU ALL TAKE THIS ONE SIDED SHOW ON ELSEWHERE . I WISH RUSSELL ALL OF THE BEST. HE IS GREAT IN MY EYESIGHT!! I WISH THE OTHER STYLISTIC THE BEST ALSO !! ALL HAS BEEN SAID , HAVE A GREAT LIFE !!

By Piano man (66.155.229.162) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 12:05 pm:

WILL YOU ALL STOP FEEDING INTO BS WITH JACKIE..ENOUGH ALREADY.HAVEN'T YOU NOTICE THAT FJT AND MYSELF DON'T RESPOND TO HER...PLEASE ENOUGH...Get this thread back on track...Who cares whether she a lady or not..OK OK SHE'S A LADY..NOW MOVE ON...
Don,TFFP,Can we stay on track here...Now can we all say have a great life..

By Jean (63.101.18.210) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 12:08 pm:

TFFP,

Don't waste your time going back and forth with this. Some people just can't let it go.

By JACKIE (129.7.108.203) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 12:21 pm:

PIANO MAN YOU AND FJT FINALLY GOT MY ORIGINAL POINT.!! GREAT MOVE ON !!

By Fan from London (194.66.229.8) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 12:29 pm:

Let's move on.

Is Russell doing any international dates soon

The fans in England would love hear him again.

So Hurry up this way again.

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 01:01 pm:

PIANO MAN:
YES I WILL BE AT THE BEACON AND WOULD LOVE TO PUT A FACE WITH THE NAME.

By don (4.18.201.66) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 09:37 pm:

Piano Man,
I will stay on track and say "have a great life" on one, and ONLY ONE, condition.....that you keep on playin' those beautiful hits that Russell made famous. Other than THAT, bro, no way!

By Mr. Fixit (152.163.253.70) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 08:46 am:

cornbread

Yes arion did lead a couple of songs that he butcherd up and cost the record company lots of money. I have a question now for you. is it true that arion is GAY?

By Vonnie (64.12.117.14) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 09:13 am:

Mr. Fixit,

The reason we have a new forum is to keep trolls like you from posting. Hurry up and get your STUPID and PETTY remarks in now because it will soon be all over for the likes of you.

Vonnie

By Fan (194.66.229.8) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 09:33 am:

Come on guys don't be like that. Be civil

By Mr Fixit (209.66.16.118) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:38 am:

Vonnie
KISS MY ASS

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:04 pm:

THIS IS CRAZY...WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE BENT ON CAUSING CHAOS....TRUE THIS FORUM WAS CREATED FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE THE VIEWPOINTS AND TO TRADE INFORMATION AND LEARN....BUT NOW IT'S TURNING INTO A BATTLEFIELD AND DEFEATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE WHY MOST OF US ARE HERE....IT'S SAD....AND WORST YET THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR CAN CAUSE PEOPLE WITH VALUABLE INFORMATION AND VALID VIEWS TO STAY AWAY...LOOK I'M A NO BODY....AND MAYBE I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL OTHERS WHAT TO DO...BUT I BEG ALL OF YOU TO TRY TO MAINTAIN THE DIGNITY AND INTEGRITY OF SD IN THE TRUE SPIRIT IN WHICH IT WAS CREATED.

By Vonnie (205.188.117.14) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 12:30 pm:

Mr. Fixit,

You are a very sad individual. I will pray for you. May God Bless You

Vonnie

By Grubman, Indursky & Schindler (216.139.153.109) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:03 pm:

I'm getting more excitement reading these hateful posts than those boring contract negotiation meetings !

By Vonnie (152.163.253.70) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 06:09 pm:

NY-DELL,

The very thing you stated in your post is why there is a New Forum. The old forum will no longer be in effect after a certain period. The trolls will not be allowed to post venom on the New Forum.

So Trolls enjoy your last hurrah, and good riddance!

Vonnie

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 06:26 pm:

Vonnie,

GREAT.....TOO MUCH NEGATIVE ENERGY.....I'LL TOAST TO THE NEW FORUM TONITE

By Nimah (64.12.117.14) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 05:45 pm:

Hello, I just want to say that I am a stylistics fan and has been for years. In my opinion there should not be any comparing between Russell and Eban. They are two individuals. Russell left the group for his reasons and was replaced with Eban. Eban is not there to take over Russells place. He is part of the group because the remaining Stylistics know that he's a good replacement.
Russell has a lovely voice and it's a blessing that Ebans voice is just as lovely. Many groups has had replacements over the years, and If you didn't know Eban replaced the lead singer of the Delfonics, Moments, and Manhattans. So as far as I am concerned their not the other Stylistics but the Stylistics.

By STONEWALL (68.237.93.170) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 06:02 pm:

Wow!! Anyway, can one of U all let us know which Stylistics group was on the P.B.S. t.v. special several months ago entitled something like "Love, Rhythm and Blues"? Although I haven't personally seen it yet (I will, luckily they always repeat their shows for years), I heard thru several reliable sources that The Stylistics who were on that P.B.S. show performed many of The S's #1 songs and did so "flawlessly".

Also, the two groups should differentiate simply by having Mr. Tompkins' name out in front of the group he fronts. Or, maybe it is that way now?

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 06:18 pm:

HERE WE GO AGAIN.....

By STONEWALL (68.237.93.170) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:54 pm:

Attention: Where are WE goin'? Or, are U talkin' to someone else? It's not at all clear.

By Juicefree20 (68.161.34.190) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 11:15 pm:

What's up Stonewall? Most of the performers sounded good, because the listeners wanted them to sound good, if you get what I mean. What I will say about the show is that too many people are listening with their hearts & not their ears. As for myself, I'm a critical listener. I may love a certain group, but if they didn't have it, they just didn't have it.

To be fair, The Stylistics performed pretty well on the special. However, I wouldn't call it flawless. I would call it a imitation & a fair one at that. However, if you close your eyes & listen with your ears, rather than your heart, you'll hear the difference. That's no disrespect to Mr Brown. The difference is simply that Russell has a distinctive & unique style of his own. While he can be imitated, it's difficult at best to truly simulate Russell's sound. When you see the show close your eyes & listen.

I've heard people that said how wonderful Heatwave sounded on the special. While Keith Wilder (Johnnie's brother) sounded fine, whoever sang the falsetto parts, didn't quite get the job done. Again, when you see the show, listen with your ears & not your heart. If you do, you'll understand what I mean.

Now if you want to talk about an absolutely wonderful performance, Harold Melvin's Blue Notes sounded spectacular! If you closed your eyes & listened, you would have believed that Teddy & the boys were singing & that it was 1972 all over again. They were that good.

Stonewall, if you read from the beginning of the thread, you'll understand what NY-Dell means.

Peace!

Juice

By Piano Man (4.238.250.81) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 02:03 pm:

Hey Nimah
As much as I do respect your opinion,there is one iyou said that is wrong..
There are TWO STYLISTICS.Just like there are 4 Temptations,5 Platters,3 Intruders ,2 Blues Notes,etc.Yes there is NOw 2 Stylistics..
One FAKE ONE.and One Real One.Now can you tell me who is the fake one..The PBS Special Group?
Well you are right..Let us examine that group.
Who someone said that were FLAWLESS..Eban Brown,has no history with the group,just trying to do what someone else has already has created..
Van,good singer,has NO HISTORY AT ALL with the group,Herb Murrell,Yes an Original Member,HOWEVER!!NO INPUT IN THE RECORDINGS ON THE HIT RECORDS..ASK HIM DID HE SING ON THE HIT RECORDS..(good dancer I might add)sO HE JUST A MEMBER WHO WENT FOR THE RIDE.mUSICALLY HE HAS NO INPUT ON WHAT HAPPEN IN MAKING THE STYLISTICS BIG AS THEY HAVE BECOME.Musically he a zero...
Airrion Love..let's see,He sang on a couple of seconds on each songs he did..Which took forever to record..So he is the only one that might can claim that he is not a Fraud.I said MIGHT!!!wHY BECAUSE HE SUCKS ALSO..On live stage and in the studio cannot hold his own..THAT IS WHY IF YOU FOLKS WOULD JUST READ..Read your album covers sometimes,you might know who is singing what on each song.You will see that Tom Bell HIRED BACKGROUND SINGERS..so add it all up you have a butch of people just singing Stylistics song..WITH LITTLE INPUT OR NO ANY INPUT ALL IN MAKING WHAT YOU CAN CALL THE HISTORY OF THE STYLISTICS!!!
The RUSSELL Thompkins Stylistics has 2 long lasting memebers also..but the Difference is that u have the ORIGINAL LEAD SINGER.Yes he didn't need any help on his lead vocals in the studio..he is the real deal....
JUICEFree20,You are CORRECT!!!!People listen with their eyes......
DON'T WORRY!!!THE REAL IS COMING TO YOUR TOWN AND WHEN YOU SEE HIM,YOU WILL HEAR THE DIFFERENCE.Eban is doing ok...good luck Bro...
MY OPINIONS@!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By Piano Man (4.238.250.81) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 02:25 pm:

Hey Nimah
You also said that"Eban is not there to take over Russells place"
WELL! WHAT IS HE THERE FOR...TO DANCE?
WELL! Did Airrion and Herb who went behind his Russell's back and got Eban Brown to write letters to the President? No to sing like Russell.
You had contradict yourself in your post, read
To all ,I am the man who KNOWS THE REAL SITUATION..Yes I know..I reheared Eban Brown when they Went behind Russell Back..AND AIRRION AND HERB TOLD THE BAND A LIE WHY
EBAN BROWN IS THERE.."DON'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THIS TO RUSSELL" FUCK THOSE BACKSTABBING BITCHES..... yes they know who I AM...
All of you CLOSE FANS OF THIERS.ASK THEM IF I AM NOT TELLING THE TRUTH..BRING THEM ON THIS THREAD........

By STONEWALL (68.237.93.170) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 03:09 pm:

Hey, Billie Joel, errr, "Piano Man":

U know, many of us and others have heard the rumors (as Donna sang, "Rumor Has It") that Airion of The Old Stylistics and now The New Stylistics, or whichever, is Gay. Well, most of us agree, so what? Butt, up above in your exciting post, to quote U: "(Airion) HE SUCKS...." I would just request that 'sexual orientation' not be dragged into The Stylistics debate.

Thanx! And thanx Juice-free for your musical philosophy and psychological analysis. It's always appreciated, as U know.

STONE-wall

Bi the way, Piano Man, your line about what was Eban brought into The Stylistics for, "To DANCE?", is really funny!

By Piano Man (4.238.249.147) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 06:26 pm:

I refuse to bring in Sexual Orientation.
You guys must deal with that..I will keep it real and for information only..
Stonewall..you tell me if u think he is gay..and where did u get your information..I won't say YEAH OR NEA...

By hello (195.93.34.12) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 07:20 pm:

just to say ,,yes to those interested AIRRION is gay and has married his boyfreind

By fayette (64.12.117.14) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 08:47 pm:

how dare he insult the arch angel vonnie.mr fixit
you going to hell in gasoline drawers.

elite angel
fayette

By Nimah (64.12.117.14) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 09:44 pm:

Hey Piano Man, Thank you for your comments. Let me say this I said Eban is not in the group to take over his place. Keyword "over". Yes he is replacing Russell and even dancing. As far as all that hating on Eban goes Eban doesn't stay in any group too long. So all that hating is not necessary to all that is hating. You got to give it up for the youngest one(Eban) ever to join the classic soul groups and sound like every member that he stood in for. I love all the groups and whoever can stand in for someone and still make me feel good while singing is good enough for me. We're here to voice our opinions and as long as I have a voice I'm going to voice mines. And as far as the one real and one fake Stylistics going behind Russells back did they know they had a snake in the room when they were talking? What goes around always comes back around so they will be dealt with accordingly. We black people are worrying about the small things(he said-she said) while the white people don't care about the small things, love our music and have concerts sold out.

By fayette (205.188.117.14) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:49 pm:

why is it so important to us to debate or argue
or even insult each other as far as what goes
on in a group, if we are not in the group.
i think the public likes both eban and russell.

By Piano Man (4.239.204.76) on Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 12:41 am:

It is very important to DISCUSS whatever is needed to be discuss.Good Arguements are fine! It is the People who speak as though they know the real deal. I welcome them with open Arms..I only REPLY to all opinions or Statements made that are express in a crazy way.Your comment"i think the public likes both eban and russell".is one that is fair and A respectable opinion.We all can respect each other opinions..I do!!!!

By Piano Man (4.239.204.76) on Sunday, April 11, 2004 - 12:45 am:

Nimah!
Thanks for your Reply..Much respect to you!!!
Peace!

By Fan2 (64.12.117.14) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 04:12 am:

I like both Mr. Thompkins sound and Eban. I note some difference,but in our society there is always duplication of music. White groups duplicate music that African- Americans have been singing often. Russell Thompkins has a beautiful voice and the Other Stylistics were great on PBS.

By STONEWALL (68.237.107.94) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 04:50 am:

Stylistic Update: I found out two new things --

I already knew that Airrion is Gay -- and that's kool -- so that's not one of them. Thanx "Hello" for re-confirming it. Congratz to Airrion and his longtime boyfriend.

First, that P.B.S. (Ch. 13) show that "THE STYLISTICS" were on was not called "Rhythm, Love and Soul" as stated butt was the newer P.B.S. show from this year, "Soul Superstars of the Seventies". In fact, after her big opening number, the show was hosted by Diva Patti LaBelle.

Secondly, the word "flawless" was ascribed to the performance of "The Stylistics"; however, one word was inadvertently 'lost in traslation'. The group of friends that saw them actually on t.v. said that the group they witnessed were "flawless impersonators" (of the original Stylistics featuring RUSSELL THOMPKINS, Jr,). Sorry, for the initial half-411. All of them, bi the way, who saw the P.B.S. special for free on t.v., have bought tickets to see Russell & The Stylistics at The Beacon Theatre (NY) at the end of the month (4/30).

Fayette, U are too much as a humorist -- and a great "Degree'd" singer. Best overt laugh on this file: U tellin' Mr. Fix-It that he's "going to Hell wearing gasoline drawers". LMAO.

By Mr. Fixit (64.12.117.14) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 08:34 am:

Vonnie
Now all of a sudden you want to get spiritual after you have displayed how much you are not spiritual. well, i dont want to hear it, and God bless you too.

By STONEWALL (68.237.107.94) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 10:27 am:

Oh, Piano Man, my post including Airrion's Gay sexual orientation should not have been directed to U but to the old storm maker, Mr. Fixit. Anyway, to answer your question, it's been a fact in the G.L.B.T. community for over three decades and counting, sort of like Michael Jax, Elton John, George Michael, et al. but minus the grand talent and notoriety. Props go to Airrion for actually doin' the right thing in having an actual civil union service with his partner. Now, if only Herb and he can re-build the blown-up bridge w/ Russell, Jr.!

By Nosey (152.163.253.70) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 11:04 am:

Boy has this thread hit an all time low. I doubt if the "other" Stylistics even know about this board due to work schedules, etc let alone come on and debate issues that may be litigated down the road. If they do know about this board/thread, I applaud their lack of participation; that tells me they are indeed a class act. Whether they sang a note on the records or not does not matter to me, the old marketing plan worked! I like the "other" Stylistics and there is room in my life for Russell Thompkins and his group of Stylistics.

A sincere question: Would any of you pay money to see Phil Hurtt, Bunny Sigler, Carl Helm, etal sing the Stylistics songs? I wouldn't; there is no history there for me.

BTW, Piano Man, my email to you came back last week.

By Piano Man (66.155.229.162) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:11 pm:

Nosey..
ktmpc@yahoo.com

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:15 pm:

Nosey:

THE PEOPLE YOU NAMED DO HAVE A HISTORY. THOSE OF US WHO'VE BEEN MUSICALLY INVOLVED...HAVE HEARD THEIR NAMES FOR YEARS AND KNOW THEIR CREDENTIALS AND WHERE THEY'VE BEEN AND WHO THEY'VE HELPED....IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THEM PERFORM TOGETHER LIVE BILLED AS THE REAL VOICES BEHIND "WHOMEVER" THEY'D BREAK ALOT OF HEARTS AND CLEAR UP MANY OF THE VERY DISAGREEMENTS THAT ARE DISCUSSED ON THIS FORUM

By Nosey (152.163.253.70) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 12:45 pm:

NY-Dell: I said they have no history for me. I never knew they sang on the Stylistics records until recently. I do know their musical history and accomplishments as artists and producers. I do know that Phil Hurtt has recently produced a young lady by the name of Ava Williams' new gospel CD.

Maybe you would pay to see them perform as the voices of the Stylistics but I sincerely believe most people wouldn't. jmo.

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 01:10 pm:

NOSEY:

DON'T GET ME WRONG...I FEEL WHAT YOUR SAYING....BUT THEY WOULDN'T JUST BE PERFORMING AS THE VOICE OF THE STYLISTICS....THE LIST WOULD BE LONGER...BLUE MAGIC, HAROLD MELVIN AND THE BLUENOTES, etc....,,,,I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING AND FOR PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T KNOW VERY ENJOYABLE.....I THINK MORE PEOPLE THAN YOU THINK WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IT OUT...BUT I FEEL YOU.

By Mr. Fixit (64.12.117.14) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 02:04 pm:

stonewall
I just want to say that I dont consider myself a old storm maker. when i ask the question concerning arion, some people took that question and turned it into a statment. I have heard alot of talk around the city and i also heard russel's interview on the radio when he was here in NY, and he said that he lead all the songs and song background as well. I heard russel will be in NY soon and i plan to be at that show as well because they are the best in my book.

By Nosey (152.163.253.70) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 09:13 pm:

Open question: There has been a lot of emphasis on this thread on who sang in the studio and who didn't. Who do you believe works the hardest the studio singers or the group who sings live on stage and tours? Just a honest question and not attempting to devalue anyone's role. (Please read what I just typed and not see anything there that isn't.)

By Juicefree20 (141.149.40.232) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 09:36 pm:

Hey there Nosey, it's been a while. I must touch base with you soon. If I had to guess, I would suspect that the studio singer has to be more technically proficient. Studio time is costly & the record is the finished product that will be heard everywhere & is also what has to sell. They have to be on point & have to be pretty accurate, straight out the box.

The groups who sings live, has a bit more leeway. Most performances aren't done exactly note for note. Sometimes they change the tempo, vamp & stretch the song a bit. Sometimes, the song performed live, bears only a vague resemblance to the original recording. The road group usually has to be pretty good at dancing & should exude charisma. They have to be "on", no one wants to spend money to see a performer having a bad night. If a athlete has a bad game, there's always another game the next day. If a performer has a bad day, you may not see them in your town again for years. Not to mention they must endure the rigors of the road & the stresses & temptations that are present. Then there's the separation from their families. From that standpoint, I would guess that their job is tougher.

Peace
Juice

By STONEWALL (68.237.107.94) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 11:21 pm:

Attn: Mr. Fixit!

If U would look above on today's posts, U'll see that I posted when and where THE STYLISTICS featuring RUSSELL are performing. See above.

P.S. How did U get the name "Mr. Fixit". Are U, for example, a home repairperson or a mechanic?

By Nosey (66.153.113.238) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 11:23 am:

Juice: Thanks for the noninflamatory answer. You da man as usual!

By STONEWALL (68.237.107.94) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 11:52 am:

STOP SHOUTING AT US!!!!!!!!!! THE BIGGEST OFFENDERS ARE FROM TWO DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE FENCE: NY-DELL AND LAWYER JACKIE A**.

U see, worldwide cyber etiquette dictates that ALL SOLID CAPITAL LETTERS is "SHOUTING". Besides, if U put everything in CAPS, what good is it? It loses its effect. Do U know that many, many internet boarders do not even read entries that are ALL CAPS shouting at them? I know I don't. Use capital letters occasionally for emphasis or perhaps the 1st mention of an artist's name in your post. So, as far as the shouting goes, STOP! it and chill out. Today's message is being brought to U by: "Re-Lax", the new board sedative.

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:58 pm:

STONEWALL:
Message rec'd and accepted.....apologies to all

By CORNBREAD (66.185.84.74) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 05:08 pm:

Hey STONEWALL: I hope you can reform longtime poster STUBASS. He uses capitals only. He hasn't posted in the last two months.

Where's STUBASS ?????

By STONEWALL (68.237.107.94) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 05:27 pm:

Hey, CORN, on that shouter subject (Mr. Ass), no news is good news.

For NY-DELL, U are a gentleman and an asset to the forum. Accepting rational and constructive criticism is a sign of intelligence, it is widely believed. And, after all, we do want to be STYLISTIC.

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 06:49 pm:

STONEWALL:

I live, I learn....thank you for bringing it to my attention.

By Mr. Fixit (152.163.253.70) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 08:43 am:

ATT: Stonewall
Yes i an a contractor, that's where i got the name Mr Fixit. How did you get the name Stonewall?

By STONEWALL (68.237.107.94) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 01:43 pm:

That's an excellent question, Mr. Fixit!

My nickname, STONEWALL, given to me by the people, refers to the now famous 1969 Stonewall Rebellion in Greenwich Village, New York at The Stonewall Club on June 27, 1969. The following month, on July 11, I founded the STONEWALL Veterans' Association, consisting of the participants in the now-historic rebellion. It is celebrated every year with Gay Pride parades worldwide. Loads of music! The 1st parade was right here in Manhattan. In our 35th year, the S.V.A. meets every month come rain or come shine. From firsthand knowledge, I also authored the copyrighted "Songs of The Stonewall".

Visit: www.STONEWALLvets.org