By Garo (192.234.106.2) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 06:10 pm:

My Whole World Ended is a great record and first post-Temps hit for David Ruffin. I never hear it anymore!
Anyone know the backround? Was it recorded in Detroit or LA, and who did the great arrangement? Who's on it?

By Don (68.75.59.129) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 07:35 pm:

From what I remember there was no credits. I do know it was probally recorded in D. The Funks plays on it.

Writers: The late Johnny Bristol, Harvey Fuqua, Pam Sawyer, J. Roach, Hank Crosby,
J. Hinton, T. Kemp, Cason & Gayden, S. DePasse?,
A. Stary?, H. Gordy?, M. Johnson and D. McNeil.

By Robb_K (66.81.192.196) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 09:35 pm:

Wasn't that Hank (Henry) COSBY (not Crosby)? On the 45 it lists Fuqua & Bristol as the producers, and that pair, as well as Sawyer and Roach as the writers. DePasse and Johnson are listed as writers only on the flip side ("I've Got To Find Myself A Brand New Baby").

By Helene (217.32.166.37) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 06:03 am:

That song is one of my all time favourites.Thanks for raising this thread - I'd love to hear of any stories around the recording.

By RD (68.169.126.238) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:36 am:

Jimmy Roach and Pam Sawyer actually wrote the song prior to signing with Motown. It was one of the song's that got Roach a songwriting/arranging stint with Motown. Jimmy and Pam both worked for a another music publishing company in New York before Motown. He and Sawyer were both surprised to see Johnny Bristol and Harvey Fuqua names' added as sonwriters. BTW: Johnny Bristol produced the tune; I doubt if Harvey was even around.

By Larry (67.101.111.193) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 12:05 pm:

RD,

re: songwriting credits
This isn't the first time at Motown where a song written by someone was credited to another. A relative of mine wrote a song, had it stolen by someone at Motown, went to court to fight for ownership...and lost.

"My Whole World Ended..." is a great song though. One of Jamerson's most unusual and difficult bass lines as well.

By Don (68.75.62.146) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 12:12 pm:

I assume so Robb, at least that's how I
kinda remembered it being spelled.

By RD (68.169.126.238) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 12:32 pm:

Larry, have you ever talked to Jimmy Roach? He lives in Detroit and runs some type of variety store. He'll tell you the whole story. Roach, by the way, is originally from New York City and all of his immediate family still lives there. Roach also cut the first tracks on the Spinners that were used to get them the deal with Atlantic Records. They were set aside, however, when Thom Bell decided to produce the group.

By dvdmike (65.208.234.61) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 01:46 pm:

What were the session dates?

By KevGo (64.115.26.80) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 01:52 pm:

RD is correct about Jobete songs that were written by one composer yet credited to another.

The company I work went to bat for one of our artists who wrote songs for Jobete and actually had the paperwork showing that he sold it to another songwriter (I'm not gonna reveal names but it was a member of a well-known team).

Kevin Goins - KevGo

By RD (68.169.126.238) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 02:06 pm:

In this case Kevgo, Roach and Sawyer got credit; the issue was that Bristol and Fuqua's name was added to the credits. And who knows what percentage Roach and Sawyer received? I'll be willing to bet it was not as much as Bristol and Roach got.

Songwriters sell songs to other writers/producers all the time. This is really nothing knew. Once you do that you should relinquish all rights to the song--cause you sold them to someone else. Nearly all producers who have a lot of projects going buy songs and put their name and their co-writer(s) if any on the songs. The person who sold the song is never credited or receive any royalties.

By johneflat (152.163.253.70) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 05:50 pm:

Somebody correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't that the Originals on background vocals? I also heard (or read somewhere)that the tune was originally (no pun intended)written for the Tempts. (personally, I'm glad DR did it)

By STONEWALL (68.237.107.94) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 10:28 pm:

DAVID RUFFIN: Top 5 Favorites

1) "My Whole World Ended The Moment U Left Me"

2) "Walk Away From Love"

3) "Blood Donors Needed (Give All U Can)"

4) "Everything's Comin' Up Love"

5) "When You're Love Hand Comes Tumbling Down" [duet w/ JIMMY RUFFIN]

bonus: "Who's Lovin' U?"

By Soul Sister (68.73.160.101) on Monday, April 12, 2004 - 10:33 pm:

#1. "Statue Of A Fool"!
S.S.