By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 05:54 pm:

I LIKE TO DOWNLOAD MUSIC....AND I'VE BEEN USING KAZAA.....BUT I FIND THAT IT IS REALLY HARD TO FIND ALOT OF R&B MATERIAL AND WHEN I DO FIND THE ARTISTS I'M LOOKING FOR IT'S JUST THE MORE POPULAR SONGS THEY'VE MADE. DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY OTHER SITES WHERE I CAN FIND REALLY HARD TO GET OR EXTENDED SONG TITLES BY PRIMARILY R&B / SOUL ARTIST ?

By Luke Soulwalker (65.81.198.151) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 06:41 pm:

Filetopia or Soulseek are very good programs for finding rare soul/r&b

By Juicefree20 (68.161.49.152) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

I've had a lot of trouble getting Soulseek to work. For classic Soul, Filetopia seems to be the best. Winmx has a lot of music, but, files stay enqueued too long.

Juice

By Rodmann (12.223.170.105) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 07:57 pm:

You need to try Soulseek again Juice! It's worth it. Filetopia is a sick joke compared to SS. The search engine sucks on Filetopia.

By Juicefree20 (68.161.49.152) on Monday, April 05, 2004 - 09:39 pm:

Hey Rod!! I found that Filetopia works well once you join a particular channel. The only problem was that the files were usually the same ones continually. I had problems getting Soulseek to work with XP. I haven't been on either for quite awhile now, with the RIAA forcing ISPs to give up subscribers info. Maybe I'll check them out. Neither compare to Napster or Audio Galaxy. Those were the days.

Juice

By Rodmann (12.223.170.105) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 12:41 am:

What's up Juice. I started out years ago with Napster and moved on to Audio Galaxy then to Kazaa and now Soulseek. Out of them all Soulseek is one of the best IMO. I've read that the RIAA has decided to leave Soulseek users alone because new releases make up only a small fraction of what's being traded on that program. It's mainly used for rare Soul and Jazz from the 60's and 70's.

You're right about AudioGalaxy though. It was good but man I'm telling you Soulseek is good too. I can't begin to tell you how much rare stuff I've found on there! I tried Filetopia but the search engine sucked and I wasn't quite sure how to get the good stuff from the users in the rooms so I deleted the whole program off of my PC. I don't fell comfortable at all talking about this on this forum and I know that I've probably said way too much already! LOL. Just email me if you've got anymore questions man.

By acooolcat (210.200.105.225) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 01:30 am:

http://the.soulclub.org/

Try this one

Graham

By Rodmann (12.223.170.105) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 01:44 am:

Hey Graham. Thanks for the link. I've been to that site before years ago and it's very nice. The only thing I didn't like was that Doris Willingham's 'You Can't Do That' is too short. LOL. It's one of my favorite 45's in my collection and I always look forward to that kickass vamp on the tail end of that record. (see the Nice Ends thread going now) For some reason it was cut sort when someone transferred it to mp3. It's too bad that the folks who frequent that site can't hear it because it's one of the best! But the site itself is still excellent.

By Clinton D. (68.62.14.22) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 02:38 am:

If your looking for a link to some pretty groovy music, check out a local Detroit band that's really doin it to it called Bump @ http://www.bumpgroove.com/music.htm
You can also check out this music archive site called Etree that hosts a lot of music very similar to it @ http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php

By zebop (64.12.117.14) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 03:29 am:

Kazaa Lite's good too. No ads, same search capabilities, a whole lot less BS.

By Pogo (66.129.42.17) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 11:52 am:

Rodman,
Been trying Soulseek but having problems. Any suggestions? I must be doing something wrong.

Graham,
Been trying to go to the soulclub but apparently they're in a repair mode? HJave you tried recently?

Pogo

By anti ripoff (68.43.229.136) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 12:04 pm:

Looks like nobody wants to touch this one so I will..

Why don't you consider buying the records just like 'back in the day' before stealing err.. I mean.. filesharing became popular?

-anti

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 12:48 pm:

anti ripoff:
I WOULD GLADLY BUY THE RECORDS OR TAPES OR CD'S IF THEY WERE AVAILABLE.....IT'S NOT NEW MUSIC I'M LOOKING FOR.....IT'S OLD 70's AND 80's STUFF THAT IS NO LONGER IN PRINT AND NOT AVAILABLE ON CD.....MUSIC SHARING IS NOT A RIPOFF....JUST PEOPLE WITH A MUTUAL HOBBY SHARING THEIR WARES....I ALSO GIVE MUSIC TO SHARE.....YOU SHOULD TRY IT.

By Pogo (66.129.42.43) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 01:13 pm:

Anti-ripoff,
There are many, many, web-sites that offer free dowmloads, Doo-Wop Cafe is one. As NY-DELL stated a lot of the old songs are not available anymore. Maybe you can inform us where to buy the CDs with the music we are looking for? Just my opinion.
Pogo

By NY-DELL (38.117.188.10) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 01:31 pm:

Pogo:

THANK YOU

By G_WIZ (68.43.17.149) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 04:34 pm:

http://the.soulclub.org/


this is the fist time ive seen innverision anywhere since it came out in 1976,,its the funks with earl,robert,johnny griffin,pistol,ect,charts by dave vandepit, horns johnny trudell,,check it out ,i think you'll like it,,,by the way produced by johnny powers


wiz

By SisDetroit (68.42.211.240) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 04:50 pm:

G_Wiz - I know the lead singer for Innervision. His name is Lloyd Robinson who still live in the Detroit area. "Got To Find A Way" is a great song.

By G_WIZ (68.43.17.149) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 05:54 pm:

hi sis


i think lloyd lives in southfield,i havent seen or talked to him in years,he was great reminded me of levi,,,also lonnie turner and james nelson were in that group,,,are you in touch with lloyd id love to talk to him,,,,ty


wiz

By SisDetroit (68.42.211.240) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 06:02 pm:

G_Wiz - Yes, Lloyd is with the contemporary gospel group "The Emmanuels." They have released a CD, and have a fan club. Lloyd was to bring me a copy of their CD in exchange for a CD I put together of songs by Innervision, but he hasn't come over yet. Here is a link for his group. I plan to go to one of their shows in the near future.
http://www.dorohn.com/dorohn/2003_html/emmanuels.html

By Pogo (66.129.42.85) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 06:34 pm:

Guys & Gals,
WFMU website has two good shows available on archives - Mr. Fine Wine & Mr. C - check them out. Nice soul. WFMU.org
Pogo

By G_WIZ (68.43.17.149) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 06:56 pm:

hey sis

give him my phone number 586-995-6000 tell him glenn wants to see him ,,,,thanks


wiz

By SisDetroit (68.42.211.240) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 07:08 pm:

G-Wiz - Try this: Lrobinson144@comcast.net

By G_WIZ (68.43.17.149) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 07:34 pm:

hey sis


thank you,ive missed him and glad we can reconnect,,,,,owe you one


wiz

By Juicefree20 (68.161.24.101) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 10:57 pm:

Hey anti-ripoff, obviously you've never been here before. I've got an idea for you, why don't you get the licenses for the music that we want that whether you know it or not happens to be LONG OUT OF PRINT! If you can license the songs & put them out, you've got my money. I can't buy what isn't for sale. However, Thank you for your totally useless remark. You've helped edify all of us immensely with your statement. Obviously, we're looking for music that's out of print, that the record companies deem unworthy of re-release. It seems to me that you can't buy or steal something that's not commercially available for purchase. Write back when you can offer some real help!
As you have a problem with ...err...stealing, perhaps you can help some of those artists recoup some of their...err....ahh....ROYALTIES! Think that you can do that? Yeah, err, aah, I thought not. Get off your soapbox if you have no solutions for the problem. Err...Aaaah...
Peace!

Juice

By Juicefree20 (68.161.24.101) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 11:01 pm:

Rod, mthanks for the info, perhaps I'll try again someday. I had checked out Soulclub some months ago. They had some interesting music, I'm looking for a bit more variety though.

Juice

By Rodmann (12.223.170.105) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 08:42 am:

Juice, your response to "anti ripoff" about summed up exactly how I feel about filesharing as well. Anti, I'm a music collector with a collection that includes over 500 LP's, about 700 78's, easily over 1000 45 rpm singles and countless CD's and tapes that I PAID FOR! I definitely don't have a problem paying for music IF IT'S AVAILABLE! We're not talking new music here, we're talkin' about RARE SOUL MUSIC from the 60's and 70's that is almost impossible to find and probably will never be re-released.

Why is it OK for music collectors to spend a fortune in record auctions, set sales and record stores for vinyl and bootleg CD's (all of which I did FOR YEARS) when the artists never see any of those royalties? But it's not OK for collectors to find exactly what they're looking for in the privacy of their own home FOR FREE? GIVE ME A BREAK!

Pogo, email me privately if you have any questions about Soulseek. I'll be glad to help.

By Pogo (66.129.42.20) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 09:33 am:

Rodman,
Tried to e-mail you but to no avail. Will try again.
Pogo

By Rodmann (12.223.170.105) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 09:39 am:

Oh I'm sorry Pogo. It's rodmann2981@insightbb.com. I forgot an "n" when I wrote it last time.

By Juicefree20 (68.161.33.245) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 06:34 pm:

By the way, how is this different from people taping off the radio & not purchasing records? I thought that there was a tax factored in the cost of Cassette tapes, CDs & certain electronic equipment, to compensate for this. Am I not remembering correctly?

Juice

By Eli (68.236.50.173) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 09:05 pm:

hey Juice,

Im back home.
I had a great time with you and Kev yesterday.
You realy know your stuff!
Thanks for the friendship and great vibes!

By Juicefree20 (68.161.20.57) on Wednesday, April 07, 2004 - 11:13 pm:

Hey Eli! It's Good to hear from you. That was a nice get together & I had a lot of fun. Likewise, thanks to you & Kev as well. I always seem to learn something & the positivity is great. It was nice to meet you & Kev & I look forward to hooking us again. Maybe we can get Vonnie & a few of our other New York folks together as well! I wish you the best with the Detroit trip. I hope that all will be fruitful & I look forward to hearing the results. It's great to make new friends, consider yourself one.

Peace!

Juice

By G_WIZ (68.43.17.149) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:03 am:

sis detroit

lloyd called me today were getting together soon just wanted to thank you,,,

wiz

By Eli (68.236.50.173) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:14 am:

Hey Juice,
Looking forward to hoking up soon.
You just HAVE to go to Detroit with us man!!!

By SisDetroit (68.42.211.240) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 01:52 am:

G_WIZ - That is great. Would you please ask him to bring me the new CD which he promised me, and let me know the date of the next show. If he doesn't bring me the CD, I am not going to promote his group to anyone else. :o)

By G_WIZ (68.43.17.149) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 10:20 am:

sis
you should hear some of the innervision stuff that was left in the can,,,,what hurt this group was disco..it started around the same time,i told clarence paul we should do a disco mix ,clarence said "disco "what the f is disco,,,a year later i called clarence in calif with the billboard disco charts in front of me and i said "ill bet you know what disco is now....lol


i wasnt a big disco fan but believe you go with the current trend of you can get in early enough,,,,,


wiz

By SisDetroit (68.42.211.240) on Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 02:15 pm:

G_WIZ - I wish I could hear some of those that didn't make it to the records. Lloyd could sing anything. He has a great voice. He said he normally does not sing lead with this new group, but just plays the piano. I guess you know he is the lead vocalist on the song "The Mighty Lover." Wheather the group is called "The Ideals" or "The Mighty Lovers." It is the same cut.

By Juicefree20 (68.161.33.206) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:20 am:

Hey Bobby, what's up? Man, I gotta tell you, I have to check out D.T. I'm a chump when it comes to flying, I guess it will have to be the rails for me. Go Greyhound!!! I'll have to plan something around my vacation time, whenever the good old P.O. posts them I guess. I'll be speaking with you later & say hello to Ms Vonnie for me.

Peace!
Juice

By Soul - Brother (217.234.170.114) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:50 am:

Hi all,
Saw the comments on 'Innervision'.. as far as I know.. they only had 3 singles released..all excellent..then got lost in the d...o period.

By Soul-Brother (217.234.170.114) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:56 am:

I have a group on Filetopia..I've been around since Napster..Aimster..Audiogalaxy .. where I got the group together.. all soul lovers.. and they followed me to Filetopia.
While Souseek is maybe sounder as regards downloading.. there are so many users who just want whole albums.to say.. I have all these!!You mostly have to ask, even beg, to get files.
Filetopia.. in my group.. we can chat about music.. you can SEND files to others..will be happy to give more info..send me an email to get info..
or
go to my webpage
www.soulcellar.co.uk

The opening message in my group reads
'I have no scruples about sharing the music.The artists never got paid back then - and they ain't gonna get it now!!!
I share loads of rare soul from the 60's & 70's and also send out my radio show every two weeks..the best of soul.
OK Guys and Ladies..gonna lie down after all that...

By Juicefree20 (68.161.34.190) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 05:44 pm:

Hey Soul Brother, I know you well from FT. I haven't been on since the RIAA began their Persecution... I mean prosecution of kids. Is Sonny still around & how's FT faring these days? Good to see you, I've got to pass through soon.

Peace
Juice

By Juicefree20 (68.161.34.190) on Friday, April 09, 2004 - 05:45 pm:

Soul Brother, By the way, did you ever locate Someday We'll Be Together - Johnny & Jackie or Bad Conditions - Lloyd Price?

Juice

By Soul-Brother (217.234.181.186) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 05:20 am:

Yes Juice.. I have the track
Played it on my radio show recently..4 days later.. Johnny passed away..

By G_WIZ (68.43.17.149) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 05:37 pm:

soul brother


can you play gotta find away to get back home.would be new too most people ,after all it is the funk bros ,,,,
wiz

By Juicefree20 (68.161.46.173) on Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 07:00 pm:

Hey Soul Brother! I just downloaded your show. I'll be checking it out for sure. Again, thanks a lot, I appreciate your soulful efforts.

Peace

Juice