By Robb_K (66.81.23.183) on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 11:04 pm:

That Was My Girl
Heart Trouble
Don't Be Sore At Me
I've Misjudged You (Motown '64 version)
I Can Feel The Ice Melting

By Ron Murphy (68.42.90.140) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 01:16 am:

!> All Your Goodies Are Gone
2. Good Old Music
3. Look At What I Missed
4. Heart Trouble

By Don (68.75.176.129) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 12:11 pm:

1. I Wanna Tesify
2. Good old Music
3. I Can Feel The Ice Melting
4. Heart Troble
5. I'll Wait

By Rich (69.72.3.153) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 01:46 pm:

1. Heart Trouble
2. Look At What I Almost Missed
3. Good Old Music
4. Don't Be Sore at Me
5. All Your Goodies are Gone

Robb K - you've heard the '64 Motown version of "I Misjudged You" ?? What's the music like?

By Robb_K (204.108.65.10) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 02:38 pm:

Actually, I haven't heard it. But, based on Don's description, The Chocolate City version, and interpolating from my knowledge of The Parliaments' sound previous to 1964, and how they sounded on "That Was My Girl", I KNOW that I would like it better than the rest of their Revilot (and Atco) cuts. "That Was My Girl" sounds so Motownish, their Motown recording of that song had to be quite similar.

By Don (68.75.61.76) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 03:12 pm:

Rich, I actually had the acetate of "I Misjudged You", now I'm not saying it was the original or another press-up. A few yrs ago there was about 3 then 2, now I hear it's down to 1? It got stolen along with my extensive record collection. I didn't like it from day one and a few more plays later. Hell, I don't see why it's in such demand as an sought after recording-to tell the truth. If I had The Parliaments acetate I'd give it away, cause it's a piece of-. Believe me the acetate really sucks Rich. By the way what Robb K described how the record sounds is the utter truth, cause I told him so, in a thread some time ago.

By Rich (69.72.3.97) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 04:03 pm:

"Give it Away", LOL - its more of a curioisity thing Don. You know how in the 70's they re-cut several tunes from the 60's and really slowed down the tempo of the song, well I've been curious to know if this was the case with "I Misjudged You". I was hoping that the original was real upbeat. The other thing I've always been curious about was, what was the planned flip-side.

Sorry to hear about the theft of your collection. Ungh, what punishment would fit that crime?

Thanks for your response Robb.

Peace

By LTLFTC (67.167.135.143) on Wednesday, March 31, 2004 - 05:17 pm:

1.Good Old Music
2.All Your Goodies are Gone
3.Look At What I almost Missed
4.A NEw Day Begins (maybe George's best vocal ever and most Smokey-esque lyrics)
5.Heart Trouble
All State Honorable Mention; "Little Man",maybe their oddest single from this era

Hey Don, I agree with Rich, 'Misjudged You' is a curiosity thing. I'm probably one of the few that likes the Chocolate City version

Steve K

By Rich (12.76.101.245) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 12:07 am:

Hey Steve, you think GC was influenced by Smokey's vocal style?

Clinton co-wrote & cut acetates for Jobete New York in 1964. I believe the hope was that the folks in Detroit would take a liking to their material and would re-record it, certianly not put it out as it was. Sombody in Detroit liked it well enough to give it a catalogue number, and I don't think it was Don.

By LTLFTC (67.167.135.143) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 12:20 am:

Yeah, Rich - I don't think Don dug it too much heheh...
I was thinking of Smokey's influence more in terms of GC's more mainstream attempts at lyrics. Some of the early Clinton stuff reminds me of the early Miracles, I was thinking particularly of "Ice Melting" and the last verse of "New Day..' but George's falsetto....I can't really place it. It's so much mellower than most of the East coast doo-wop I've heard and not as edgy as the Eddie Kendricks school, either. Maybe the Nolan Strong/Smokey school...hmmm, I wonder.

Steve K

By Rich (69.72.4.146) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 09:10 am:

Smokey/Strong - that's an interesting point Steve. You know that song "The Wind" by the Diablos featuring Nolan Strong? Supposedly, The Parliaments recorded an acetate of that one in a record booth in Newark around the end of 1955.

"Wind wind - blow wind
When the cool summer's breeze sends a chill down my spine
When I long for my love's sweet caress
I know she has gone but my love lingers on
In a dream that the wind brings to me".

Spooky lyric, possibly quite influential.

I don't think "That Was My Girl" could have been the proposed b-side of "I Misjudged You". The Tempts "My Girl" became a hit in January of 1965, more than six months after Raynoma & Eddie Singleton closed up shop with Jobete New York, and headed for DC to start the Shrine label. It had to have been something else. I think it may have been "Heart Trouble". I've read (probably here) that somewhere there's a picture of" Berry Gordy holding a "test-pressing" of "Heart Trouble". This would have certainly been the A-side.

Its interesting to me that "Heart Trouble" was released on Golden World in late-'66, meaning it was released after Motown owned the label, not before.

And to get back to your point SK, there seems to be a Smokey influence to the way Clinton sang "HT".

Peace