|By R&B (220.127.116.11) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 11:52 am:|
HEY GANG IT'S S-A-T-U-R-D-A-Y AND YOU KNOW I WANNA HAVE SOME FUN,SO HERE GOES,NAME SOME GROUPS OR SOLO ARTIST THAT ASSUMED DIFFERENT NAMES TO SING ON ANOTHER ARTIST SONG OR ONE OF THIER OWN[THE TEMPS AS THE PIRATES,MIND OVER MATTER..THE DELLS AS THE PLAYERS,HE'LL BE BACK..THE ADAUTES AS THE SUPREMES..THE COMPOSER,OR AS THE MARVELETTES,MARIONETTE]COME ON OUT AN PLAY,WHATCHA GOT?
|By E (18.104.22.168) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 11:55 am:|
Esau Isaac= Johnny Newbag
Four Seasons= Four Lovers
|By Soul Sister (22.214.171.124) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 12:26 pm:|
Statesman/Dulcets/The Manhattans/Manhattans/The Manhattans.
The Chesterfeilds/Little Anthony & The Imperials
The Mascots/The O'Jays
The Genies/The Jive Five/The Jive 5/The Jyve Fyve/The Jive Five.
The Distants/The Primes/The Temptations
The Primettes/The Supremes/Diana Ross & The Supremes/The Supremes.
The Miracles/Smokey Robinson & The Miracles/The Miracles.
|By manny (126.96.36.199) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 12:29 pm:|
Hi, R & B,
I'm not totally sure if I understand correctly the questio.
Anyway, i knows The Masqueraders appears in the credits as The Raders when are they the composers of the tunes.
|By Soul Sister (188.8.131.52) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 12:53 pm:|
Now I'm confused...what did you mean?
The Dells as The Players ??? What's that about???
I know the Andante's sang backgrounds on Supremes, Vandellas, etc... records, is that what you were looking for?
|By Soul Sister (184.108.40.206) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 12:54 pm:|
The Dells/The 5 Heartbeats/The Dells
|By R&B (220.127.116.11) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 01:02 pm:|
YES,S.S.WHEN THE SONG[I'LL BE BACK]WAS RECORDED THE DELLS WERE USED TO SING THE BACKGROUND AND ONLY THE LEAD SINGER OF THE PLAYERS WAS USED,AND YES ALTHOUGH THEY WEREN'T CALLED BY THE GROUPS MAMES THE ADANTES SANG IN THE PLACE OF MARY AND CINDY ON THE LATER RECORDINGS AND ON THE MARVELLETTES LAST SONGS,AND MANNY YOU'RE CLOSE ENOUGH.
|By Soul Sister (18.104.22.168) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 01:11 pm:|
Okay gotcha, thanks for the 411 on the Players. Did The Dells also sing on all the songs in their album? I love the lead singer's voice especially on "I'm So Glad You Waited", what was his name again (my album is in a storage box with the rest)?
The Dells backing Dinah Washington in the studio.
|By Heikki (22.214.171.124) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 01:55 pm:|
For the Players' He'll Be Back Calvin Carter and Al Smith regarded the members of the band not good enough voices, so they were replaced by the Dells (without Marvin) leaving the Players' lead, Herbert Butler, as the only member of the group to sing on that single. Also on some later Players' tracks Chuck Barksdale attended.
|By Soul Sister (126.96.36.199) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 02:02 pm:|
Thanks for the 411 on The Players & Herb Butler.
All The Best,
|By Juicefree20 (188.8.131.52) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 08:53 pm:|
Hi Soul Sister Robert Prueters books Chicago Soul & Chicago DooWop was excellent info regarding The Dells, The Players & the cross-pollenation between many Chicago groups. The relationships are quite broad & interesting.
Take care & say hi to Jimmy!
|By Juicefree20 (184.108.40.206) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 08:58 pm:|
Issac Hayes once recorded as Sir Issac & The DooDads. Regarding The Players & The Dells, listen to the sound of I'm So Glad I Waited by The Players. This was their follow up to He'll Be Back & the only voice to accompany Herberts was the bassman of The Dells. The record truly needed the harmonies that were present in He'll Be Back. Johnny Carters falsetto was sorely missed.
|By Soul Sister (220.127.116.11) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 09:08 pm:|
I have that book (Chicago Soul, that is) in with my other music books in storage boxes but must admit I never read it through.
Thanks for the 411, "I'm So Glad I Waited" is my favorite, then "He'll Be Back", in fact I like most of The Player's tracks on their album.
Jimmy says "Hi" to you too!
|By Juicefree20 (18.104.22.168) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 09:36 pm:|
The Four Seasons recorded Don't Think Twice, It's Alright as the Wonder Who. Also The Dells were not credited for singing background for Barbara Lewis' Hello Stranger, or on a few of JoAnn Garretts' singles as well. Smokey & Ronnie White recorded "It" as Ron & Bill. And how about Valerie Simpson as Tammi Terrell on The Onion Song & others? Didn't The Cadets record as The Jacks? How about Patti LaBelle & The BlueBelles performing I Sold My Heart To The Junkman as The Starlets? Minnie Riperton recorded as Andrea Davis. Baby Washington recorded both as Jeanette & Justine Washington.The Vibrations recorded as The Jayhawks. The Persuaders recorded Give A Damn as The Internationals. Prince recorded as TAFKAP & as a glyph. Joe Tex, Don Covay, Solomon Burke, Ben E King & Arthur Conley recorded as The Soul Clan. Sonny & Cher recorded as Anthony & Cleo. L Rawls, Teddy P, D D Sharp, The O'Jays, B Paul & A Bell recorded as The Philadelphia International All Stars. Of course, Parliament recorded as Funkadelic. Jesse Belvin & John Watson recorded as The Shields. Harmon Bethea recorded as Maskman & The Agents. Darlene Love sang as everyone.
|By Juicefree20 (22.214.171.124) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 10:32 pm:|
Hey Soul Sister, I'll always love He'll Be Back, Johnny sings his behind off & Herbert had such a great voice. My cousin was in Vietnam & I was 6. My Grandmother used to cry whenever that song came on. It took me years to find that 45 again, didn't find it until the 80s. Of course, it would later come out on CD. I liked I'm So Glad I Waited, but, there seemed to be a big hole there. With only Herbert & the Chuck on the tune, there were too many holes in the song for my taste. It needed those supporting background harmonies & I think that the lack of it hurt their records. Regardless, I have liked The Players from the age of 6 & I always will.
Sis, if you want to see the relationship between so many great groups & singers of the 60s & 70s, Robert Preuters Chicago Soul & Chicago DooWop are the greatest. Chuicago DooWop expanded even further when it came to Herbert Butler & the origins of The Players. I never knew any of this, as back then I was a baby & the music was so regionalized. I was amazed to learn how the different members of groups were intertwined with one another. Great books, simply great!
As always, it's great to see you here. God bless, always
|By Soul Sister (126.96.36.199) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 10:53 pm:|
Thanks Juice, the feeling is mutual.
I also love "Why Did I Lie", their verson of "Since I Don't Have You", and thought they did a good job with "Sunny". I liked the sentimentality of "I'm So Glad I Waited". I understand where your Grandmother was coming from, thats deep, I hope your cousin made it back alright Juice.
Jimmy is here bugging me to come upstairs and get the fights on HBO, Jermaine Taylor is boxing, middleweights are my faves. Gotta run, enjoy your night.
Take Care & Best Always,
S.S. & J.
|By Heikki (188.8.131.52) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 02:27 am:|
You really seem to be a Players and Dells fan.
The Dells did uncredited background on many records.
Marvin: "...we made a living doing backgrounds. We were a studio group. We went and did things behind Bo Diddley, Chuck Berry and many others."
Chuck: "There was a time period in Chicago, when the Dells were probably the most sought-after background group..."
"...A lot of these people we did background for, we may not have known personally. We were the background vocal sound everybody was after."
Michael: "Calvin Carter at Vee-Jay had almost made us a studio group..."
They contributed to the sides by Barbara Acklin, Betty Everett, Wade Flemons, Andre Williams, Etta James, the Players etc. - and Joe Murphy:
Michael: "We did 'So Blue Without You' and another song. Joe's dead now. He was a big old vigorous, fun-loving guy. He had a very good voice like the guy with the Spinners, Philippe Wynne. A great singer, but never exposed."
(Soul Express, The Dells Story).
|By SPYDER (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 03:49 am:|
SPYDER TURNER-DWIGHT DAVID-THEME SONG FROM "THE LAST DRAGON"
|By Uptight (220.127.116.11) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 04:24 am:|
Eivets Rednow = Stevie Wonder on a late 1960s Gordy label LP.
|By TRI-PHI (18.104.22.168) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 06:13 am:|
BOBBY LESTER & THE MOONLIGHTERS- THE MOONGLOWS
THE PIRATES- TEMPTATIONS
THE DARNELLES- MARVELETTES
TAMMI TERRELL- VALARIE SIMPSON (EASY LP)
THE VELLS- VANDELLAS (WITH ORIGINAL LEAD SINGER)
EIVETS REDNOW-STEVIE WONDER
|By TRI-PHI (22.214.171.124) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 06:28 am:|
LOE & JOE-LORRI RUDOLPH/JOE CHARLES OF THE SATINTONES
TOM AND JERRY-SIMON AND GARFUNKEL
CEASAR AND CLEO-SUNNY AND CHER
THE QUARRYMEN- THE BEATLES
THE DOMINGOS-THE SPINNERS
THE VOICE MATERS- THE ORIGINALS
LAMONT ANTHONY-LAMONT DOZIER
THE 5 MASTERS-SATINTONES
LITTLE DAVID BUSH-DAVID(DAVIS)RUFFIN
DAVID ENGLISH-MELVIN FRANKLIN
OTIS MILES-OTIS WILLIAMS
THE MAJESTICS-THE MONITORS
FOUR AIMS-FOUR TOPS
CHARLES HATCHER-EDWIN STARR
THE DOWNBEATS-THE ELGINS (MINUS SAUNDRA EDWARDS)
THE SUPREMES-THE ROMANTICS (MINUS RUBY)
STEVLAND MORRIS JUDKINS-STEVIE WONDER
JAMESETTA HAWKINS-ETTA JAMES
|By Helene (126.96.36.199) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 10:28 am:|
Python Lee Jackson - Rod Stewart.(In a broken dream).
|By manny (188.8.131.52) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 12:01 pm:|
Hello again, soulful friends!
Some others (i think) examples:
-Mr. Emotion / Bundino Sigalucci / Bunny O'Sigler = Bunny Sigler
-TB & BT = Thom Bell & Bobby Taylor
-Dee Dee Sharp / Dee Dee Sharp Gamble
-Airto / Airto Moreira
-Airto Moreira & Flora Purim / Fourth World
-Eveling "Champagne" King / Eveling King
-Moments / Ray, Goodman & Brown
-Jazz crusaders / Crusaders
Peace & Soul Food!
|By Juicefree20 (184.108.40.206) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 01:45 pm:|
How did I forget Stevie Wonder recorded an LP as Eivets Rednow in the '60s?
|By Don (220.127.116.11) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 06:29 pm:|
I know one. 50's Chicago dowop group The Eldorados that recorded "When Lights Are Low" for Vee Jay (Records), we're replaced by The Cool Gents except for the Eldorados bassist.
|By TRI-PHI (18.104.22.168) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 06:52 pm:|
DAVID JONES-DAVID BOWIE
|By JSmith (22.214.171.124) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 02:18 am:|
Didn't Ron Dunbar record as Ronnie Love ???
If so, I guess Ronnie Dunbar wasn't considered a hip name for a singer in the 60's (although it sounds OK to me).
|By Eli (126.96.36.199) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 02:43 am:|
MFSB= The Family, The Salsoul Orchestra, Assembled Multitude, Monster Orchestra,
The Ritchie Family)orch) Gamble- Huff Orchestra, Montana,Eli's Second Coming
|By Juicefree20 (188.8.131.52) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 05:23 pm:|
Hey Bobby E, didn't you forget The Electrified Indian, or something like that?
|By john c (184.108.40.206) on Monday, March 29, 2004 - 07:07 pm:|
Paul McCartney - Bernard Webb
George Harrison - L'Angelo Misterioso
Tony Hicks/Allan Clarke/Graham Nash - L. Ransford
|By Don (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 01:14 pm:|
Geraldine Jones = Geraldine Hunt ?
|By Grubman Indursky & Schindler (18.104.22.168) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 01:19 pm:|
Aurra = Deja
|By KevGo (22.214.171.124) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 04:11 pm:|
Roquel Billy Davis a/k/a Tyran Carlo (his songwriting name).
Ahmet Ertegun a/k/a A. Nugetre (his songwriting name as well!)
Robert Gordy (Berry's brother) a/k/a Bob Kayli (minor hit with "Everybody Was There")
Bobby Darin a/k/a The Rinky Dinks (had an "almost hit" with "Early In The Morning" on Brunswick AND Atco - a long story!)
Ron Dante & Toni Wine a/k/a the Archies a/k/a the Cuff Links (of "Tracy" fame)
Barry Manilow a/k/a Featherbed (first single on Bell - "Amy"; also recorded an early bubblegum version of "Could It Be Magic")
Hudson Brothers a/k/a Everyday Hudson (minor hit with "Laugh, Funny Funny")
Rupert Holmes a/k/a Street People ("Jennifer Tompkins" was a small hit on Musicor)
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By Eli (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 06:00 pm:|
The Electric Indian, were the Madara and White studio cats who were:
Robert Cupit- percussion
|By KevGo (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 06:12 pm:|
Where are you today! I left messages on your cell phone and home number!
Kevin Goins - KevGo
|By E (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:30 pm:|
Im on witness protection with paulie3$hoes, capice???#$^&*(
|By Pogo (220.127.116.11) on Thursday, April 01, 2004 - 08:44 pm:|
Chicago Transit Authority - Chicago
Survivors - Beachboys
Average White band - AWB
|By TRI-PHI (18.104.22.168) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 10:37 pm:|
ROCKWELL- KENNEDY GORDY
BOB KAYLI- ROBERT GORDY
AUTRY DEWALT- JR. WALKER
FREDRICK LONG- SHORTY LONG
AGATHA NATALIE WESTON- KIM WESTON
CHERLYN SARKESIAN- CHER
RICHARD VALENZUELA- RITCHIE VALENS
J.P RICHARDSON- THE BIG BOPPER
ROBERT DALLAS- BOBBY LESTER (MOONGLOWS)
ALEX WALTON- PETE GRAVES (MOONGLOWS)
THE 5 CHIMES/MADADORS- MIRACLES
THE CRAZY SOUNDS- MOONGLOWS
THOMASINA MONTGOMERY- TAMMI TERRELL
LYNDA TUCKER- LYNDA LAURENCE
PATRICIA HOLT- PATTI LABELLE
THE CRAZY SOUNDS- MOONGLOWS
|By douglasm (22.214.171.124) on Saturday, April 03, 2004 - 10:49 pm:|
Bill Parsons--Bobby Bare
Would The American Breed--Rufus count?
|By Don (126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 07:10 pm:|
1. The Turnpikes + The Tokays = Tavares
2. Barbara Jean & Lyrics/ Barbara Jean is
3. The Emaers = The Seminoles
4. The Pirates = The Temptations
5. Frances Nero = Freda Payne
6. The Vows = The Younghearts
7. From Chicago; The Vows + The Majors + Fuzzy
& The Majors = The Major IV
8. Earl Van Dyke & The Soul Brothers + San
Remo Golden Strings = The Funk Brothers
9. The Aprils + Fern & the Aprils + The
Nattu'relles = Sister Love
10. The Mar-Kays + The Van dells + Steve Crooper
and _________ = Booker T. & The MG's
11. The Parliaments + Funkadelic + Parliament =
George Clinton & The P-Funk Allstars
12. The Ohio Untouchables = The Ohio Players
13. The Hutchington Sunbeam = The Emotions
14. The Moments = Ray, Goodman & Brown
15. The Parliaments + Funkadelics + Parliament =
|By Don (188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, April 06, 2004 - 07:15 pm:|
Tammy Montgomery (a.k.a.) Tammi Terrell
The Primettes (a.k.a.) The Supremes
The Primes (a.k.a.) The Temptations
|By Don (184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 11:58 am:|
Sweet Thimg by Willie Walker recorded for Willie Mitchell's Hi Records is aka Sam Moore of Sam & Dave.
|By STONEWALL (220.127.116.11) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 12:58 pm:|
To think, there are still at least a half-dozen that no one mentioned:
VERONICA = RONNIE SPECTOR ("Why Won't They Let Us Fall In Love?")
THE ICE MAN = JERRY BUTLER
MARTHA LaVALLE = MARTHA REEVES (early solo, pre-MRV)
BONNIE & THE TREASURES = RONNIE SPECTOR & THE RONETTES
DARLENE LOVE & THE BLOSSOMS = THE CRYSTALS on two hit songs ("He's A Rebel" and "He's Sure The Boy I Love")
BOB B. SOXX & THE BLUE JEANS = BOBBY SHEEN and DARLENE LOVE & THE BLOSSOMS ("Zip-a-Dee Doo-Dah", "Why Do Lovers Break Each Other's Hearts?", "Not Too Young To Get Married", "Bells Of St. Mary's" and others)
Was gonna mention but someone pulled a Mary and "U beat to the punch (this time)"....
THE MARVELETTES as THE DARNELLS singing "Too Hurt To Cry, Too Much In Love To Say Goodbye" (1963)
Note: "Eivets Rednow" is STEVIE WONDER spelled backwards!
|By STONEWALL (18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 01:16 pm:|
Shame on y'all and "Stand!"
SYLVESTER STEWART = SLY STONE..... as in SLY & THE FAMILY STONE!
P.S. SLY just turned the big "6-Oh" last month on March 15th -- supremely right in between MARI (Mar. 6) and DIANA (Mar. 26), ironically, all the same age.
|By STONEWALL (22.214.171.124) on Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - 01:26 pm:|
Oh, No! No U didn't! U didn't forget the "Shotgun" man!? C'mon. This is supposed to be the Soulful DETROIT forum. Mr. JUNIOR is quite Detroit, y'all. U need some "Home Cookin'".
AUTRY DeWALT = JUNIOR WALKER as in..... Motown's JUNIOR WALKER & THE ALL STARS
Note: After all, he did use Autry DeWalt for all his songwritng credits, didn't he?
|By Robb_K (126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 08:11 pm:|
Like the El Capris once sang-"Oh, But She Did", .... oh, but they did: Tri Phi listed Autrey Dewalt earlier on this thread.
|By STONEWALL (188.8.131.52) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 10:45 pm:|
Right U are, Robb the K, there was a duplication with "Gene Autry". No matter. Let's see if any of these household names biggies were duped.
Another dozen of "A.K.A.s" from Mr. STONEWALL:
> FRANCES GUMM == JUDY GARLAND
> OL' BLUE EYES == FRANK SINATRA
> IKE & TINA == IKE TURNER & TINA TURNER
> ANTHONY GOURDINE == LITTLE ANTHONY
> CHUCK & MAXENE == CHUCK JACKSON & MAXENE BROWN
> REGINALD DWIGHT == ELTON JOHN
> OTIS & CARLA == OTIS REDDING & CARLA THOMAS
> GEORGE O'DOWD == BOY GEORGE
> MARVIN & TAMMI == MARVIN GAYE & TAMMI TERRELL
> GEORGIOS PANAYVOTOU == GEORGE MICHAEL
> SCHERRIE, MARY & SUSAYE == THE SUPREMES
> GRAND FUNK RAILROAD == GRAND FUNK
|By STONEWALL (184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 10:53 pm:|
U didn't think that I, Mr. STONEWALL, would 4-get the "Original Queen of Rock 'n' Roll 'n' Soul"...
didya? Good, Golly, Miss Molly!
> RICHARD WAYNE PENNIMAN == LITTLE RICHARD
"Can we talk?", Lucille!
|By CORNBREAD (220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 11:04 pm:|
Hey anyone know what's Rupaul's other name?
|By STONEWALL (18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 11:31 pm:|
Yes, Corny, how could STONEWALL leave her "OUT"?
> RuPAUL CHARLES == RuPAUL
"RuPaul" is actually his/her first name.
Ironically, she lives on Charles Street in G.V. in Manhattan, NY.
P.S. Check out MARTHA REEVES pic I posted today on "M-45" t.v. show file.
|By Mark Speck (22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - 11:56 pm:|
The Hudson Brothers were first known as the New Yorkers (after the popular Chrysler car, not the city).
Junior Lewis=C.L. Blast
George Jones='Thumper' Jones (his rockabilly name)
Jerry Lee Lewis=The Hawk
Hank Williams Sr.=Luke the Drifter
Hank Williams Jr.=Bocephus
|By Robb_K (126.96.36.199) on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 05:02 am:|
Don,-are you SURE that Barbara Jean (of The Lyrics) was Barbara Mason? I thought they were a local Detroit group with a connection to Johnnie Mae Matthews? Barbara Mason was already successful in Philadelphia by 1967. Why would she record for a local Detroit label which had no national distribution? The Lyrics were a local Detroit group. Why would they bring in a successful singer, and not exploit her fame?
Also, I find it hard to believe that Frances Nero was Freda Payne. It was quoted here on SD, that Frances Nero only had the one record on a Motown label, because she won a talent contest (no contract). Freda Payne had already been singing for several years (ABC) before Nero's record was recorded and released. Also, their voices sound different to me. Where did you get your information for these two assertions?
I find your guess that Geraldine Jones might be Geraldine Hunt, intriguing. I'll have to play their songs back-to-back, to hear if their voices seem to be the same person.
|By STONEWALL (188.8.131.52) on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 06:33 am:|
Responses to enquiries by Robb the K ---
BARBARA MASON was only & always Barbara Mason - I had some one ask her grown son, who is a musician in her band.
P.S. If U don't have her c.d. already, "The Best Of Barbara Mason", from "Yes, I'm Ready" to "Another Man", get it. Barbara as soulful, sweet and sexy as ever, has re-recorded all of her songs for this great collection.
FREDA PAYNE only sung under her name FREDA PAYNE. As Robb stated, she was FREDA PAYNE at ABC Records. I have some of her singles from ABC. From there she went directly to Invictus in 1970. Much as Motown wanted her, Freda never sang for Motown.
|By STONEWALL (184.108.40.206) on Thursday, April 15, 2004 - 01:13 pm:|
FYI, our own talent scout/record producer/music historian Weldon McDougal is the one who actually brought BARBARA MASON into the recording studio in 1965 in Philadelphia for Arctic Records. Ask him!
Bi the way, B.M. recorded her international hit, "Yes, I'm Ready", in just two takes.
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