By MEL&THEN SOME (217.42.211.247) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 04:21 am:

Did Herb Ward sing lead with a group
known as Sunshine on a track titled
'leave me and see what happens'
on the Phil.La.of Soul Label?

also regards Herb Ward
does anyone recall as far as I know a small philly label known as
ALL BROTHERS RECORDS
and an inst. that was spun many years ago on the uk scene titled
'lets get it going'
a fast and furious stomper as I recall.

any info regards any of the above much appreciated as always.

mel

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 08:29 am:

Hi Mel, I recored Herb Ward first, I can't remember all the details, but Herb did not sing with any group at that time, the record I recored with Herb,was "Strange Change"

he did record with other labals after he left Harthon records, I remember him doing somthing on Phil.La of Soul, Then he started working with Sonny Hopson, All Brothers Records, could be one of Sonny's lables,
WELDON

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.42.211.247) on Saturday, March 27, 2004 - 02:20 pm:

Thanks Weldon
'strange change' was/still is a rare 45 over here as is his RCA pearler titled 'honest to goodness'
think he also recorded on a small label known as buddy records not certain.
cheers weldon
always great to speak to you

mel-o-delphia

By Tony.C. (195.93.34.12) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 05:14 am:

MEL.
Herb Ward was bornHerbert McCracken,his 1st single was-Hand,s off she,s mine-on Buddy in 1964,his next release i believe was on Argo(as mentioned above)in sept 1965.This was a flop and he next re-appeared as-Sunshine in 1967 with -Leave me and see what happens.Moving on his next release came out on R.C.A. as Herb Ward again,he then appears to have given up and i think i read once he was a truck driver in Canada for about 20years--what a waste!
hope this helps,mate.

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 02:54 pm:

Hi Tony.C, I ran into Herb about a year ago in the super market, he said he still lived here in Philly,
WELDON

By MEL&THEN SOME (217.42.211.236) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 03:09 pm:

Cheers Tony
mel

By trickyi also have phil la of soul (195.92.168.169) on Sunday, March 28, 2004 - 04:35 pm:

i have the sunshine track somewhere.i,m sure it was written by herb and i would say a definate yes to him being in the group as the lead sounds just like him and he has a distinctive voice.i also have phil la of soul 312.herb in his own right on the tracks wrong place at the wrong time/you can cry.

By Jocko (213.61.27.5) on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 06:26 am:

HI there

first can I say this is an amazing opportunitity to talk direct with legends of soul on here, Weldon & Bobby being the names I know best but am amazed at the names (the genuine ones!) that keep cropping up.

A question for Weldon, re the Herb Ward Strange Change, fantastic record and as someone said legendary in the UK Northern Soul scene. Listening to it again after your post it would appear to be quite a different sound for that time, do you agree, if so can you remember the thoughts behind the sound, particularly the very atmospheric build up.

Apologies if way out here on this but was only 4 years old when record out and living in UK so my ears were only exposed to what music I have found since then, i.e. no radio like the guys in the States would have.

Anyway would appreciate your thoughts.

Jock

PS Should say I listen to all sorts of soul from 60's to present date not only Northern so was comparing it generally to what soul I know from that era.

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.162.3) on Tuesday, March 30, 2004 - 11:41 am:

Hi Jocko,
I have produced so many records, it's hard to remember why and how,we came up with a particular sound,and I have not heard that record "Strange Change" in years, you guys in UK northen soul scene, have made a lot of records we did, very popular there, that did nothing here in the US,I'm going over to my man Val's record store, and get the record, and get back to you and try to answer your questions,
WELDON