By brianday@cwcom.net (212.137.141.155 - 212.137.141.155) on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 08:02 am:

digging around my record collection i found a album i have never played on invictus
a artiste called luciffer ,it sounds truly awful a cross between dr hook and the chipmunks any info?

lookimg through the singles list from john manship there is a motown artiste with at least
6 singles realeased uk and usa called
debbie dean ,who is she? i have never heard a single by her despite the big push on this artiste
and cant rember spinning her back in the glory years

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 08:20 am:

As I understand it, Debbie Dean is reportedly the first white female to sign with Motown, pre-dating Conny Van Dyke or Chris Clark. I've heard her Motown tracks - and they're not bad at all. Her best-known record is probably (Don't Let Him) Shop Around - an "answer" to the Miracles' hit.

By John Lester (213.1.136.77 - 213.1.136.77) on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 09:50 am:

Brian....you are a star for raising the subject of Debbie Dean. So Soulful detroiters, I want your help....I mention some words and you tell me if you know of any links...

Debbie Dean

Deke Richards
Dean Lussier

With Debbie DEAN, DEAN Lussier wrote the in demand Northern track "Why Am I Loving You" (I think that needs to be on a "Hard To Find Volume 104" in the future) for Debbie DEAN issued on VIP.

(Je pense que Deke et Dennis est le meme personne et que Debbie est la soeur de Deke?

Over here in the UK, we kind of believed that Debbie was, errrrr, a "good friend" of Berry Gordy's. Debbie seems to have some nice songs not issued and circulating on acetates - that reminds me there is a version of the Chris Clark song "Don't Be Too Long" and in talking of Chris, wasn't she also (according to Raynoma's book) .....errr...a good friend of Berry's!

Our Mr Berry Gordy seems to have been a popular man with the ladies.....(not unlike someone else we know, don't you agree, Mr T3 - mind you, I bet he thanks his lucky stars he didn't marry them all)! LOL!

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 10:28 am:

Debbie Dean - I have both "Don't Be Too Long" and "You Ask Me" - both of which are excellent, (and both came from dubious sources!) For anyone who hasn't head her, Debbie had a light, melodic voice, not dissimilar to Mary Wells.

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 02:21 pm:

John,
The word was that if a lady became Berry's "girlfriend " for any period of time, she ended up with a house. I sure couldn't match that generousity.

By John Lester (213.1.128.214 - 213.1.128.214) on Saturday, June 29, 2002 - 02:51 pm:

But I bet you had a great time trying!!!

LOL

By brianday@cwcom.net (212.137.226.89 - 212.137.226.89) on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 02:45 pm:

whats all this gossip,talking in code eccetra
sounds like a good book to me ,in there.
motown the true story . or even a tribute album
(the ladys man vol 1) . still never heard a debbie dean track ,maybe one day

By Ian W (213.122.165.31 - 213.122.165.31) on Sunday, June 30, 2002 - 10:13 pm:

The b-side of 'Why Am I Loving You' called 'Stay My Love' is an absolute belter! I don't know your two tracks though Ritchie, sigh!

By John Lester (213.122.203.162 - 213.122.203.162) on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 06:52 am:

Ritchie

It's called "You ASKED me" - written by Sidney Barnes and George Kerr.

I am not convinced it is Debbie Dean

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 07:21 am:

John

Fair enough. Track IDs are often off-the-mark, so you never can tell with these dubious collections. E.G. according to "Lost In The Vaults", Jimmy Ruffin is Frank Wilson!

(You AskED Me is a nice track though - whoever the lady is in reality.)

By john Lester (213.122.203.162 - 213.122.203.162) on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 07:35 am:

Very New York sound though....don't you think!

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Monday, July 01, 2002 - 08:33 am:

John - I take your point. The sound is very Wand-ish.

By brianday@cwcom.net (212.137.227.43 - 212.137.227.43) on Friday, July 05, 2002 - 10:10 pm:

iam still waiting for the answer on luccifer,was this invictus forey into c&w? which didnt work