By Reg Bartlette (24.82.241.114 - 24.82.241.114) on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 06:58 pm:

I'm seeking any and all information on an obscure 60's record label out of Detroit called HIDEOUT.
It's a green label with black print, with releases by a number of odd artists. Can you help out?
Require usual information such as artist, titles, run times to tracks, ZTSC matrix numbers for each track, and, if known, release dates.

Reg Bartlette

By detroit gal (152.163.197.81 - 152.163.197.81) on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 07:01 pm:

It wasn't so obscure here, Reg. Started by Dave Leone and Punch Andrews as an adjunct to the Hideout teen clubs they ran in suburban Detroit. There's still a "Hideout Lounge" on 14 Mile Rd. in Clawson, where one of the Hideouts was.

Bob Seger had some singles on Hideout and he was hardly odd or obscure.

Punch Andrews went on to manage Seger, and now, Kid Rock as well. There's a Hideout compilation CD out there if you do an amazon.com search.

By Davie Gordon (213.251.162.249 - 213.251.162.249) on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 07:22 pm:

Hi Reg,

I'm amazed you think Hideout is obscure - it
miust have been in it's time the premier teen label in Detroit - OK there's no soul on the label
but the label started the careers of Bob Seger,
the Rationals, the Underdogs ( yes, the VIP
group ), the Pleasure Seekers and later on
Brownsville Station.

I'm not at home at this minute but I'll get back to this.

By detroit gal (205.188.192.156 - 205.188.192.156) on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 09:36 pm:

The Rationals counted as blue-eyed soul in Detroit, Davie! Scott Morgan was and is a great vocalist ...

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 09:43 pm:

Brownsville Station....

OK, Cub Koda - I guess that's your cue to join us!

By Mark Speck (65.57.18.45 - 65.57.18.45) on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 10:20 pm:

Uh, Ritchie...

that would be a nice trick if he could do it. Cub passed away late last year from kidney failure.

Best,

Mark

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 10:33 pm:

Awww, shucks. Sorry about that. I really had no idea :o(

I was only reading yet another of his reviews today. Well, he'll be up there with Jimmy Reed, Elmore James, Muddy, Robert Johnson... and having a ball.

By Joe Moorehouse (152.163.207.214 - 152.163.207.214) on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 03:02 pm:

Hi Reg.

Recordmaster.com has most of the Hideout discography, albeit with some errors, as follows:

The records they list as Hideout 1002 and 1008--Torquays and Doug Brown--are not actually on Hideout but on Punch (but it's the same numbering system and label really). The record they list as Hideout 1010 is actually on Are You Kidding Me? but is also a legit Hideout release. There is one omission in their listing of 45s:

Punch 1009 Henchmen: Livin' b/w Please Tell Me

And four omissions in their listing of LPs:

Hideout LP 1002: Best of the Hideouts
Hideout LP 1003: Ron Coden at the Raven Gallery
Hideout LP 1003: Pep Perrine--Live and in Person
Hideout LP 1007: Jim Freeman--The Game of Rock and Roll

Note that 1003 was used twice. There are no releases with numbers 1004-1006.

Finally, be aware that the 45 by the Yorkshires that the Recordmaster discography shows as 1007 is unconfirmed. This is the only place I have ever seen it listed, and no one I've ever talked to has seen a copy--including members of the band. It is unlikely, but not impossible, that it exists.

By Joe Moorehouse (64.12.101.169 - 64.12.101.169) on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 05:44 pm:

And one minor correction to a couple of notes posted earlier in this thread--the Rationals had nothing to do with Hideout. Their relationship in the mid-60s was with Jeep Holland at A-Square records in Ann Arbor, and they never hooked up with Dave Leone at all. Glenn Frey (then spelling his name Fry) was in a couple of Hideout bands, though--a later incarnation of the Four of Us, and the Mushrooms. In any event, Hideout remains one of the country's most revered garage-band labels. Too bad they didn't do soul...

By 12q (213.122.203.96 - 213.122.203.96) on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 06:02 pm:

Reg

Are you intending to put this information into a commercially available CD? If so, when might it be available?

By Willy Wilson (64.27.214.115 - 64.27.214.115) on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 03:28 pm:

Norton Records put out the Hideout Records
comp Friday at the Hideout (both CD & LP).
They lisenced the material from Dave Leone
before he died. Unfortunately there are no
Seger tracks. Bob and Punch kept the rights
when they split off Dave in the 60's. The
comp is great, filled with great photos and
coolliner notes

By mhc (172.129.255.218 - 172.129.255.218) on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 04:35 pm:

I can't understand why Bob Seger's Hideout Records material isn't out on a CD. In my opinion (and as a matter of fact..) it's far and away the best stuff he ever did.

By detroit gal (64.244.93.44 - 64.244.93.44) on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 06:09 pm:

It's great stuff -- but Punch and Bob have been sitting on his early stuff from both Hideout, Cameo Parkway, and some of the early Capitol isn't available on CD. Bob said a while back when I asked about the Hideout singles, "that stuff sounds like punk." Precisely! --SW

By Ed Wolfrum (165.247.229.13 - 165.247.229.13) on Friday, June 21, 2002 - 11:28 pm:

Danny Dallas did a lot of those Hideout sessions at United when he was there before he went to Pioneer. Punch was one of his steady clients, and I assume he followed him to Pioneer. There was a lot of work done by Danny to get that RAW, "garage band" sound in a studio like United. Ralph, Russ and I can attest to that. I can tell tales about the skip problems on the disc on HEAVY MUSIC.

Pax,
Ed Wolfrum