|By Ralph (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 03:32 pm:|
A question came up regardng your thoughts on recording Spyder Turner at Tera Shirma.
Since you have the distinction of getting the first hit out of TS I would like to hear your thoughts on this also.
|By Tyrone (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 02:00 am:|
Thank you very very much for that information on the Originals. I would have never guessed Freddie sang the last two lines "if the man above.....). If I'm ever in Detroit, I would definitely advise you in advance (and to thank you for all that beautiful music, lunch would be on me). Thanks again and keep us posted on the new material. You are in Detroit, aren't you?
|By Clay (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 09:57 am:|
Spyder Turner was a wonderful break and unbelievable surprise to all involved, including Spyder, Myself,the Counts,Cliff Gorov the Arc/JayK
promo man who got it to MGM and helped to make it
one of the biggest records of the 60's and the first Major hit record for Tera Shirma Studio. I'd like to think that although we were all green as a pool table and twice as square we were young, hungry kids who had dreams and were'nt afraid to spend our last money trying to get something going. I had a lot of help putting it all together and Ralph,Russ and Milan Bogdan were at the root of it all. I never could have done it without those guys having my back. Spyder of course had been working cabarets and doing a version of" Stand By Me" that I happen to hear at one of the parties and felt that it sounded like a SMASH record to me and it should definitely go on tape. I did'nt know a lot about making records at the time because I was going to college and working for an insurance company,but with the help of Ralph T and his posse I was able to make my first hit record. That by the way was originally about 10 or 12 minutes long and Milan and Russ help me to cut it down to the single release. I was so afraid I would lose my job since my work office was only a block from the studio and I was down at Tera Shirma more than I was at work. So I used my nickname on the record and the Album (Butch)just in case my boss was checking up on me. It made a great opening for me to let Spyder's manager Arnie G step in and take
advantage of both Spyder and I and he ended up doing to us what Enron did to it's many workers.LOL All in All in was a labor of love and it got my motor going and with the grace of GOD I
got other opportunities,to meet and work with some of the greatest artist, musicians,writers, producers, record execs and friends in the real music business(When it was fun)Without my start at Tera Shirma I never could have owned 2 state of the arts studio's,became an audio engineer,writer,
producer,publisher,independent record label partner,artist manager,and proud Father of 8 incredibly beautiful, successful children including one daughter with a Platinum and Gold CD's on her own talent and merits. Tera Shirma was
the best studio in Detroit outside of Motown and United. I was blessed to have been one of their First. And the studio will always be a one of a kind to me.
|By Ralph (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 02:14 pm:|
Thanks Clay.You'll always be one of a kind to me. Those were great exciting times in our young lives.I said it in the TS story, but I'll say it again for the sake of the forum. I give you all the credit for helping TS get rolling.You were a great friend to me with boundless enthusiasm for making great music and with hard work you took us to where we all wanted to go.Continued good fortune to you and your family my old friend.
|By LTLFTC (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 11:01 pm:|
Clay; That version of Stand by Me was a big favorite of mine- Thank You! My question is what was edited out; were they impressions of singers other than were on the 45 or did he sing in those styles for a longer period of time?
|By Ed Wolfrum (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 01:30 am:|
I will have to add to Clay's comments, as an engineer and later chief engineer at United that TS was not just one of the best studios outside of Motown and United but was very much, thanks to Ralph, Russ and Milan in the league with United.
|By Ralph (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 02:18 am:|
Thanks Ed. That's very kind of you to say.
|By Millie (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 04:26 am:|
Could you please elaborate more on how Arnie "G" took advantage of both you and Spyder? I worked for him at Polydor Records...he was National Promotion Director, and I did local promotion here in Detroit.
|By Clay (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 10:18 am:|
Millie,It was really simple!! He set it up where all the money went to his company. It's quite obvious that after all these years I still feel he was never fair. I'm sure that Spyder and I made life a lot more comfortable for him than he did for us. He was not a Good guy.If you want my deep thoughts about Arnie G. You'll have to contact me thru my e-mail and give me your phone #. I can't say what I really feel on the forum and I can finally prove the wrong doings.
|By Clay (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 10:34 am:|
I'm glad you liked the record. The complete version had other artist and some longer versions of some of the ones you heard. I think I have an old tape somewhere with the complete 12 minutes.
It would probably be a treat for people to hear the whole version of the song Today. Maybe if I find it and it still plays I'll try to salvage it and make a few personal CD's LOL
|By acooolcat (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 01:40 pm:|
Millie, I heard that Arnie had Spyder signed to a personal contract, but Spyder thought that he'd actually signed with MGM. That was the source of the problem. MGM paid Arnie, and the buck stopped there - so to speak.
|By Ian W (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 08:33 pm:|
Clay, find those tapes - what else might be on there - I had a sharp intake of breath when I read that!
|By harryweinger (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 08:53 pm:|
CLAY - hey there! Harry Weinger here. I met Spyder at a Temptations party in 1994. The LP version of Stand By me is 5:30. If you have a longer version anywhere let me know privately.
|By John Lester (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 09:06 pm:|
And whilst you are looking for Spyder, if you find your vocal of Walk With Me Talk With Me Darling.......remember ME!
|By Eugene Brown (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 04:57 pm:|
Hey Clay, What's happening!!! This is my first time on this site and man this is great. Tell every I said hello and I'll talk to you soon.
|By Common (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 08:43 pm:|
Hello everyone. I've been lurking for awhile & I've finally got the nerve to post. I have a question for Clay McMurray. What was it like working with Gladys Knight & The Pips & The Ruffin Brothers? Any response would be appreciated. Thank you! :o)
|By Ritchie (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:02 pm:|
Hi Common! Nice to see you over here ;o)
|By Ralph (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 09:48 pm:|
Welcome to the forum. No need to feel shy here. Hang in there and sooner or later Clay will appear and I'm sure he will be happy to answer your questions.
|By John Lester (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 10:41 pm:|
Our Clay is working real hard....I have given him orders not to surface until he has finished Pree's album.
I might add that this new album is gonna be one he can be proud of...
|By Ralph (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 11:57 pm:|
I was going to mention to Common that Clay might be in the studio and unavailable for a while. You can bet your bottom dollar ( or Pound ) that whatever Clay is doing is going to be BAAAAAD!!
|By Common (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:38 am:|
Thanks you guys for the warm welcome! :o) Hey Ritchie, how are ya? :o)
I didn't know Mr. McMurray is working on new material. Matter of fact I didn't know he was still creating music. Who is he working with on his latest project?
Again, thanks everyone!
|By John Lester (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 12:07 pm:|
This album is (from what I have heard) terrific.........
|By Common (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 01:53 pm:|
Thanks John. :o) BTW, if include my email address, will it show up on the forum? Thanks again!
|By Ralph Terrana (Ralph) (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 02:18 pm:|
If you include your e-mail address people can e-mail you by clicking on your name.
|By Common (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, August 16, 2002 - 03:26 pm:|
Thanks alot Ralph. :o)
|By Clay (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:03 am:|
Welcome aboard this train. To answer your question about Gladys Knight, David and Jimmy Ruffin It was all good, I never had a bad time in the studio with Artist,because I always knew that respect was a two way street and working with those three was like Heaven on Earth. Gladys is so good in the studio that you get spoiled real fast. I flew in to Chicago to work on the G.K.& Pips anthology album and we did'nt get into the studio until after their gig (2:30am).
I left the next day with 3 of the last songs"Letter
Full of Tears,Given Up,With Every Beat Of my Heart completely finished and ready for mixing. And might I add that with Glady's it's usually no more than a few takes before it over, she's truly FANTASTIC. The Pips can sing backup vocals,tight harmony and
clever phasing in their sleep, you give them the concept and they give you one of a kind vocals. As for David R. he was a perfect gentleman in the studio and very creative with that distinctive soulful vocal he owned. With Jimmy, I had a lot of fun,because Jimmy would try anything I ask and then some and we got along great experimenting and coming up with some very clever concepts in the studio. Two songs in particuliar that I always felt were potential CHART records were "Ain't That Cold" and a remake called"You're The Entertainer"
which today should be collectors items. Anyway, I 'm currently working on 3 soon to be released CD's
and I'll probably be looking at the UK for the initial exposure. Peace
|By Clay (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:04 am:|
It won't be long now John Lester.
|By Clay (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 09:07 am:|
Oh yeah Common,
It's CLAY, Mr. McMurray was my DAD. LOL
|By John Lester (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:44 pm:|
Three!!! Woweeee Clay.
|By John Lester (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 12:52 pm:|
You know that one of my all time songs is Walk With Me Talk With Me Darling...
Harry W has just announced that there is a version from the Jean Terrell led Supremes to be issued on a 70's Supremes Anthology. What is the lowdown on that.....I remember you saying here on SD that you did the demo and then dubbed Levi. I am real excited about hearing this new version.
|By Davie G (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:09 pm:|
Thanks for the info. - Jimmy Ruffin's "The
Entertainer" is that the old Tony Clarke song ?
If so I'd love to to see it get released -
a great song that I'm sure Jimmy and your good
self did justice to.
|By Carl Dixon (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 01:54 pm:|
There is too much Jimmy Ruffin material unreleased it seems. Harry, what do you think? Mr Ruffin has one of the slickest voices in town and is still around to exploit it.
|By Clay (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:42 am:|
The songs on Jimmy Ruffin that I produced were on Polydor , so maybe Harry Winger can check them out and set up a release of some sort. I also would like to have Mr. Winger locate a song I recorded on the Spinners called "Help Bring Me Down" with GC Cameron doing a lot of the lead parts. It's a very different
type song for the Spinners and I'm sure if it is ever found it would get considerable attention. As for "Walk with Me Talk with Me" I would like to hear the version with the demo vocal myself, John. At this point it's all on Harry.
|By Ritchie (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 08:58 am:|
Mmmm - like John, whose radar blips eagerly at any mention of the Velvelettes, I spring into rapt attention at the magic word "Spinners".
It certainly appears that Bobbie and his boys were not as under-recorded at Hitsville as their woefully-thin Motown discography would suggest. "Help Bring Me Down" must be yet another Michigan State Secret patiently biding its time waiting to be declassified. Weldon, thanks for adding another Spinners item to my wish-list!
|By Ritchie (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 09:02 am:|
D'oh! Sorry - Clay.... Spinners-induced excitement. Do forgive me - it's that "posting-in-the-morning" problem again ;o)
|By HW (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 01:14 pm:|
Clay - you know my info, give me a ring or email me.
|By Common (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, August 18, 2002 - 03:34 pm:|
All I can say is "Wow"! Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my questions. I wasn't even born when the Motown Sound was created, so I find this to be truly an honor to be in the "presence" of a legend such as yourself.
Gladys Knight & the Pips have always been one of my favorite acts. The songs you mentioned are some of my favorites by them. I didn't know that you worked with them prior to them coming to Motown. I learn someting new today.:o)
Thanks so much on the info on David & Jimmy. I've always wondered what they were like in the studio.
A question: When you write or produce a song, do you have a specific artist in mind or it doesn't matter?
Again, thanks so much.
|By Davie G (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 04:55 pm:|
Those Gladys Knight tracks that Clay talked
about aren't the original hit versions - they are
Motown versions recorded for their 1970 "Greatest
Hits" album . I actually prefer them to the
originals, "Giving Up" is just gorgeous.
Now I've got to track down Gladys version of
"The Only Time You Love Me" as I've playing the
Originals version to death ( it's on their
recent "Essential Collection" CD - an apt title)
|By John Lester (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 11:33 pm:|
STML 11264 All I Need Is Time....side 1.
And play "There's a lesson to be learned" while you have the album out
|By Julian (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:45 am:|
Clay, you have GOT to find that "Stand By Me" tape!
|By Common (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 03:15 pm:|
Thanks for that info. I didn't realized that Gladys had remade those songs while she was on Motown. I would love to hear them. Do you know if these songs are featured on any greatest hits CD that Motown may have released on Gladys?
|By HW (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 04:43 pm:|
those re-records were on the 2-CD Motown Anthology Motown issued a few years ago. It may be out of print though...