By david, glasgow, scotland (213.107.27.25 - 213.107.27.25) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 05:34 pm:

As I said before, Lowell told me last year that many surprises would come out of the creation of this web site, and today I received the biggest surprise to date.

I received an e-mail from Ms Joanne Bratton asking me to call her at her home in Las Vegas.

Five minutes later I was talking to Joanne and Ed Wingate...yes Mr Wingate himself!

I mentioned that I had been talking about him during most of last week! and especially to Ed Wolfrum. They were excited to hear Ed's name. I will contact you off forum Ed.

Joanne mentioned that Bob D'Orleans still works for her. We may expect a visit from Bob I think.

Joanne must also be psychic...it had always bugged me that I didn't know the origins of the Ric Tic label name. Without any prompting, Joanne told me the background.

Joanne had a son to the boxer Johnnie Bratton whom they christened Derek Truman Bratton. Derek was knicknamed Ric and frequently called Ric Tic. Sadly Derek died aged only 12 years.

Joanne then mentioned Myto Music, one of Northern Soul's greatest Publishers. Myto was named after Joanne's Aunt Myrtle and her cousin Toni.

Finally, they both invited me out to dinner next time I'm in Vegas....and I've been there twice in the last three years!

Joanne has still to see the web site. Contact has been made thru the Free Press article.

Mr Bill McGraw of the Free Press...I owe you another beer!!

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.107.27.25 - 213.107.27.25) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 05:36 pm:

I forgot to mention they ARE married.

They are also wondering how Edwin Starr is.

If anyone sees him please pass on the message.

By David Flynn (195.92.194.11 - 195.92.194.11) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 06:51 pm:

There's a scan of an early music press advert from Golden World looking for "writers, producers, recording artists" stating to contact Joanne Bratton.....be warned this page may take a while to download as there's loadsa adverts on it.....but it's worth the wait! :-)

www.capitolsoulclub.homestead.com/Souladverts.html

Flynny!
-p.s. It's half way down on the right hand side of the page :-)

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 07:16 pm:

David,
This is ASTOUNDING news.You just never know what's going to pop up arond here!

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.107.27.25 - 213.107.27.25) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 07:20 pm:

Ralph, I knew you'd like that one. Still can't quite believe it myself.

She speaks to Berry Gordy Jr on a regular basis too. I know we will get a mention.

Hold on to your seats everyone.

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 07:26 pm:

David,
When you get time please tell us about Wingate. How is he doing? Is he in good health. I'm so pleased to learn that he and Joanne are married.This one blows my mind David.

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 07:29 pm:

Wowee, David... is this real or am I going to wake up? You must be (as we say in the North) dead chuffed! And, a mention to BG...? Now wouldn't that be something!?

I'm really pleased for you, as I'm sure everyone else is too.

PS - better send JL some bromide so he doesn't get too excited ;o)

By acooolcat (211.78.28.79 - 211.78.28.79) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 12:34 am:

David, Those two snippets of info (Myto and Ric-Tic) are great.
I remember reading about Joanne's son in the Chronicle. What a terrible loss.
Graham

By john lester (213.122.199.98 - 213.122.199.98) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 09:19 pm:

David

I am absolutely flabberghasted......we have a sizable number of our idols here and we are finding out more and more all the time....I just wish that this site could have been about in the 70's..

Did I really see BG mentioned.......my my my....Rixy ought to get Raynoma on here too.

By Ian W (62.6.65.48 - 62.6.65.48) on Friday, May 10, 2002 - 10:34 pm:

My flabber has never been more gasted too! Trouble is, once you get these idols on the Forum, how are you going to follow that?

By john lester (213.122.202.149 - 213.122.202.149) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 08:29 am:

We will get Ralph to do a soft shoe shuffle!!

HA HA HA HA

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 02:06 pm:

John,
It's funny you say that. In dealing with the various record companies, to my complete exasperation at times, I have mentioned to my partner, Teddie Morrow, that perhaps they may want me to tap dance.
You sure you're not one of these guys I have been dealing with John???

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 02:13 pm:

They're all the same - these money-men, Ralph! :o)

Was it for your partner that Goffin and King wrote the Shirelles song.. "Will You Still Love Me Ted Morrow?"

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 02:16 pm:

It's way too early here for puns Ritchie. But having said that.....not bad pal!

By john lester (213.1.131.253 - 213.1.131.253) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 03:21 pm:

HA HA HA

By acooolcat (211.78.28.92 - 211.78.28.92) on Saturday, May 11, 2002 - 03:59 pm:

Does anyone know who the "D Peoples" who wrote Hit And Run is?
Graham

By Carl Dixon London (195.153.219.170 - 195.153.219.170) on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 08:10 pm:

David - what a thrill to hear this news from LA. There is a mightier force at work here than we will ever know. I have an email address for Edwin Starr's management company. I will drop them a line and hope for a response in connection with the enquiry about him.

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 01:34 pm:

Just spoke to Joanne and she told me about this site. Oh Boy, what memories all this brings up. I sent email to John Rhys and he was surprised to hear from me, also to Edwin, he's on tour but his office told him that I called and he wants my phone number when he gets back. I'm still trying to get over the many people of the past and that I am remembered. Thank you all and I'll keep looking on your great web site. Anybody can email me or say hello.

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 01:54 pm:

Hi Bob, it's great to see your name here on the forum.
I believe you had a hand in building the studio at Golden World, and maybe at Sidra too.
Any memories of those times?
Graham

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 06:24 pm:

Hi Bob

Welcome to the forum.

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 07:25 pm:

Hi David
What a great site you have. So many people and memories. As I read the messages I remember things I had forgotten. It keeps coming back more and more. I'm supposed to hear from Edwin the first part of next month when he gets back from tour. Just seeing names like Jamerson, Bob Babbit, Popcorn Wylie, Russ, Don Davis, LeBaron Taylor and many others, I can still see them in the studio or control room, doing their thing, which was always great. My only regret was Ed selling out to Berry. Oh, well that's life. I see Joanne and Ed all the time, they live across town from me, here in Vegas. In fact, I was there yesterday and Joanne and I were reminiscing about everything. She doesn't have email or uses a computer for anything. Anytime she wants something from the internet, she calls me and I get it for her. She's a phone person.
Anyway I hope to hear from a lot of the guys and I tell my stories about anything that I remember of the glorious years. Again, thanks for the site.

By Millie (207.148.197.36 - 207.148.197.36) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

Hi Bob!

Don't know if you remember me, but when you were dating Chris Ranta (circa 1965), she introduced us at Golden World! I then met Tom Shannon through you, and we've become lifelong friends!! Hope all is well with you, and that you enjoy this wonderful site! Welcome aboard!!

Millie Bostick

By Ed Wolfrum (165.247.228.33 - 165.247.228.33) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 11:07 pm:

Hello Bob,

Boy its great to hear from you. I spoke to Jo-Ann and Ed last week and then I see you up here. Please give Dave note and have him give you my number, I would love to talk to you and have you fill me in on your life in the last 35 years.

Best,
Ed

P.S. I miss your bad jokes!!!

By bobdorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:53 am:

Millie

To be honest, I'm not quite sure who you are, but I love hearing from you. It's funny I was just thinking about all the things there and I couldn't remember a name, you gave it to me Tom Shannon. Boy, more memories. Refresh me more about you. The brain gets tired at my age.

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 02:03 am:

Ed

Just sent a note to David and asked him to give me your phone number. I've been reading Mike's threads most of the afternoon and your name kept cropping up and I remember you well from Golden World, you were the Techie, cause I sure wasn't.

By Ian W (213.123.44.202 - 213.123.44.202) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 09:38 pm:

Bob, it's wonderful to see your name here on the Forum! I can't believe it! Please could you tell us anything about your production of 'All Turned On' by Bob Wilson & the San Remo Quartet which is the b-side of 'Hungry For Love' on Ric-Tic RT-104. It's one of my favorite instrumentals and has lots of energy. When us punters regularly say "I wish I could have been in the studio when that was recorded", well this is mine! And who were the Quartet?

Many thanks from an appreciative record collector!

Ian

By DeAnne (24.234.119.126 - 24.234.119.126) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 04:30 am:

I would love to get together again with Ed and Joanne. I'm not even sure that they remember me well. Anyway...I'm here in las Vegas. My phone number at work is 315-3039, and they can call me anytime for lunch or dinner....I'm buying. They were good to me many years ago. Thanks DeAnne james.

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 08:07 pm:

Ian

I just talked to Joanne about "All Turned On".
She couldn't remember the muscians on it either. The way it came about is, when "Hungry for Love" started to be big as the "B" side of JJ Barnes, we released it on its own and had to have a "B" side for it. We were always cutting tracks that had a good feel to them, and then trying to get the right lyrics for them, sometimes it took awhile. When "Hungry for Love" came out "All Turned On" was one of those tracks and became the "B" side. It had to be the people we used a lot, like Jamerson or Babbit on bas, etc, etc.

Hope this sheds a little light on it.
BobD

By acooolcat (211.78.28.80 - 211.78.28.80) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:09 am:

Hi Bob, I think you're mixing J.J. Barnes up with Tony Micale of The Reflections. Tony recorded a vocal version of "Hungry For Love" called "I Live The Life I Love." He told me that he was asked if he minded if the instrumental track to his vocal was released, and as it was his B-side he didn't care. But it was a massive hit while his 45 sank without trace. Ring any bells?
Graham

By DeAnne (24.234.119.126 - 24.234.119.126) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:41 am:

Thanks for the call, Bob. Didn't get a chance to return it today but, I will tomorrow. Talk to you then.

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:51 pm:

Graham

You may be right about "Hungry for Love" but from my dim memory I recall J.J.. I will check with Joanne this morning, she remembers everything.

BobD

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:55 pm:

David

I spoke to Joanne about your wanting to speak to her about how GW came about and she said "no problem". I think you still have her number here, she said to call her sometime next week. Morning time here is best for her. She'll look forward to it.

BobD
PS If you don't have here number, email me and I'll give to you.

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.122.148.58 - 213.122.148.58) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:57 pm:

Bob

Thanks so much.

Should make for a great webisode folks!

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 09:40 pm:

Graham

My apologies. You were right about "Hungry for Love". According to Joanne, her recolection is that it was Tony. For some reason because I remember JJ pleading and pressuring Ed to release a record on him that I thought it was him. My apologies again.

By acooolcat (211.78.28.73 - 211.78.28.73) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 05:03 am:

Bob, there's certainly no need to apologise and I hope I didn't sound like the great dictator in my initial email. I apologise if I did.
On another tread I asked about some early Golden World and Ric-Tic 45s and wonder if you were involved in recording them in New York. Did you see this posting of mine?
BTW, If you'd like to hear some of those Detroit Golden World/Ric-Tic 45s I'd be only too happy to send you a tape. Let me know.
Graham

By acooolcat (211.78.28.73 - 211.78.28.73) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 05:28 am:

PS. Bob (D'Oreleans), I'm refering to my May 23rd post in the thread titled; Bell Sound In New York.
Graham

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 04:46 pm:

Graham

There is no need for you to apoligize either, I didn't think you were out of line in any way. Even when I told Joanne I thought it was JJ she took my word for it, until we started to run events down as they happened, and she and you were right, it was Tony.
Also, I don't remember doing anything for Joanne & Ed at Bell Sound, even though I was working there at the time. How we hooked up was while working at Bell, I helped a friend of mine, Bob Goldman, who wanted to start a studio. He had gotten my name from somebody, and said he wanted me to look at a site that he thought would OK to turn into a studio. It had been a Filipino restaurant in the Hotel American on 47th St in New York. I said we could make it work and I helped build it with him as the tech. On my off hours I would do some sessions there. Anyhow, Joanne refreshed my memory, and said she and Ed came to NYC to do some recording and needed to do it right away and evidently Bell was booked solid and somebody told the to call a couple of studios and one of them was Mirasound. Mirasound said they would get in touch with the engineer and see when and was told to come in the next day. And that was my first contact with Joanne and Ed. In fact, at the end of session is when they asked me if I would like to come to Detroit to build a studio for them. And according to Joanne, I said "Detroit???. You mean to move there?" She said "Yes". I told her I would think about. I just asked her yesterday how long it was before I answered her. She said it was three days when I called her and said I had nothing else to and I thought it would be a blast. And that was the beginning of GW Sudio. In fact when I moved to Detroit, as you know Ed owned the Twenty Grand, and next door was what was called The Manor House, and that's where I lived until I found my own place. Another aside note. While I lived there, there was somebody living above me, that at 3 or 4 in the morning, would be making these foot stomping sounds, in rythm, and it was loud. I finally asked "Who the hell is up there doing all that noise?" The answer was "A guy name Stevie Wonder". Before he became "STEVIE WONDER".
Just a little trivia.

Anyhow, YES I would like a tape of anything you have on Ric-Tic or GW. Contact me at my email and we'll get it together.

Thanks
BobD

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 05:35 pm:

Bob
I take it the manor house was on Warren on the east side of the motel?

Was your first meeting with Joanne in 1963 or 1964?

What was the Golden World building used for before Joanne bought it. Apparently it was built in 1947.

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 06:13 pm:

Bob,
Thre hotel was the America on 47th St.That is where I lived when I was playing in NYC. Mira was in the basement of the hotel. I met Bobby Blue Bland there once.

By Eli (205.188.197.169 - 205.188.197.169) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 07:02 pm:

Mirasound was the NYC studio used by Phil Spector before he settled in L.A. at Gold Star. The Crystals Uptown/ There's no Other was done there as was Hey Girl by Freddie Scott Baby It's you by the Shirelles(originally a demo), The Locomotion and a host of the Don Kirschner stuff.
The engineer of choice was Brooks Arthur and one of his trademarks was his use of tape slap on the hi hat and snare/sidestick in a 16th note pattern.
Another bit of useless trivia from the crazy mind of Eli!!

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 08:19 pm:

Bobby
Thanks for reminding me about 'Hey Girl'.

Do you anything about Allegro Sound? Also in NYC.

By Bob Olhsson (68.32.101.228 - 68.32.101.228) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 08:42 pm:

Orson Lewis, who recorded and mixed a lot of the last Detroit Temptations records, interned under Brooks Arthur. Orson talked about him all the time.

By Casey Jones (205.188.199.186 - 205.188.199.186) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 09:46 pm:

David,
Alegro Sound was in the basement of 1650 Broadway.
The Tokens used it quite extensively and He's so fine was recorded there as well as See you in September and tons of Laurie stuff. If you listen close to the end of He's so Fine you can hear the Broadway subway train going by.
Speaking of such things, at the end of Up Up and Away by the Fifth Dimension, whose vocals were done at Las Vegas Sound, a train can be heard as well. I should build a facility near a train corridor for a bit of luck and for future anoraks to enjoy, Eh???

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 11:01 pm:

Hi Casey

Nice handle for this subject!

Unfortunately I don't have a copy of The Chiffons on the premises. Over to Ritchie who may have.

Really interesting!

Anyway my interest in Allegro lies with the late great Hoagy Lands whose 'The Next In Line' on Laurie has been worshipped by me for thirty years.

Northern Soul perfection.

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 02:27 am:

Hi Bob, I'm 99% sure the recordings you were first involved were the Willie Kendrick ones; he told me he went to Mira Sound with Ed Wingate. Gotta dash, TTYL, Graham

By M.McLeanTech (64.156.149.181 - 64.156.149.181) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 02:54 am:

Bob (Dorleans),

Refering to your posting of May 25, 2002 - 4:46PM, perhaps I should add, for the benifit of the forum, something to make clear that Bob Goldman, of Mirasound, turned the recording world literally upside down when he blew all the one inch eight tracks off the map with his astounding two inch sixteen track custom built Ampex MM-1000 prototype. Talk about pioneering!

I will never forget the shock I felt when I first heard about this development. We were just getting the studios fixed up really nice with dual Scully eight tracks in each studio to provide a reliable backup, when this unheard of development came on the scene.

Bob Goldman was the fellow who took the pioneering title away from the likes of Les Paul, Atlantic, and Motown, regarding multi-track.

Further, soon after all this happened, he had at Mirasound, what had to be the first 24 track two inch machine ever built: Another custom Ampex.

I spent an afternoon with Bob Goldman once, and he even took me over to his home. What an operator! He truely knew no fear.

Mike McLean

By Eli (64.12.106.23 - 64.12.106.23) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 03:48 am:

I worked with an Ampex 24 track version around 8 years ago at a studio in Atlanta called 2560, owned by Brick. I had to anticipate the punch ins and the reels used to fly off the machine, and aligning was a nightmare, otherwise it was a decent machine. They offered me a gig there having liked my work but I am not really an engineer, per se I just have a vast knowledge of the application of the artform.
The studio was aesthetically funky which works fine for me.
Sigma was the 2nd studio to have 24 track.

By the way, the old studio, Virtue which is now an empty lot thanks to temple university,when they got their four track back in the day had people saying, "Yeah, Virtue got 4 tracks. One for hand claps, one for foot stomping, one for finger snaps and one for tambourine!!"

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 01:33 pm:

Mike

Just a note to let you know the whole story about 16 track.
Bob Goldman and I went to Ampex in Redwood City to talk to them about various things. While walking through one of their warehouses, I spotted an old RCS VTR transport. Since everybody was always asking, "More tracks", I asked Leon, "Hey, you got the transport for 2" tape, why not make a 16 track recording machine. He was doubtful, but we went to R&D and hashed it over, and then the big boys ok'd it for R&D to work on it. The biggest problem was the 16 heads, mainly crosstalk. Anyhow, the first prototype was shipped to Mirasound, by then in the Henry Hudson Hotel. Now, what do you do for a console. We took a piece of beaver board, cut 16 slots in it, put 16 cheap faders in them, wired the output directly to the machine. I called a band I worked with before, Vanilla Fudge, and asked them if they would like to come in and records whatever they wanted, using the new 16 track, at no cost. They did and , as they say, the rest is history.

Couple of aside notes.
As you know the VU meters on the previous machines were lined up vertically
1
2
3
4 ETC

When I played back the first time, reading the VU meters on the machine, the reading looked funny. I usually put the bass on 1, bass drum on 2, and so forth. When I read the VU's on the machine I realized that the R&D had done them horizontally.
1 2
3 4 etc

The other was when the Vanilla Fudge asked me to splice. There was no cutting block available for 2" tape, but thank God I had come from the old, old school when there weren't splicing blocks. Make your marks for the splice, align the marks together, demagnetized scissors, make diaganol cut, using 1" splicing tape, splice it together, it wasn't pretty but it worked.
I know it's not soul, but that's where I did the first Leslie West "Mountain" album, with Felix Pappalardi. We then used Electric Lady Studio after that.

I hope I didn't bore anyone.

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 02:00 pm:

BORE ANYONE???? BOB!!! Amazing and interestng story. Thanks for the history lesson.

By M.McLeanTech (65.59.28.117 - 65.59.28.117) on Sunday, May 26, 2002 - 02:09 pm:

Bob,

Zowie! I was unaware that you were so much involved in the 16 track development. This must have been just before you became involved with Golden World.

You mentioned "Leon." For some reason the name "Leon Wortman" popped into my mind. Have I got that right. It seems to me that this must be the Leon (at Ampex) to whom you are referring.

I wonder what ever happened to Bob Goldman. I have the impression that he developed a problem with being underfunded, but I never did know the outcome of it all.

One thing that really impressed the Hell out of me about the Mirasound that I saw at the Henry Hudson Hotel was their wonderful machine shop: Everything you needed to build your own tape recorder! Now that was my kind of recording studio!

Thanks for a fantastic offering, Bob. "...didn't bore anyone." Ha! I'm in charge of that around here. Your offering is profound recording history! If anyone is bored by it, they have no business reading this forum!

This forum is very addictive and time consuming. But oh what fun! I keep plugging away. I must get back to my letter answering. Lately I have gotten into these impromptu quickie postings, while leaving the letters hanging. There is never enough time in the day. I sure hope that you will keep hanging in there Bob, because you are one of the really heavy boys that can offer great stuff.

Best wishes,

Mike McLean

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 03:31 am:

Good morning Bob,
Here are the credits from Willie Kendrick's Golden World 45 to see if they jog your memory some more;

"Stop This Train"
written by J. Stewarrd and P. Medley
Produced by Bob Christopher
Arranged by Robert Banks

"Fine As Wine"
Written by J. Shaw and B. Stevenson
Produced by Bob Christopher
Arrnaged by Robert Banks

I think the writers were regulars at the Brill Building.
By the way; Is Mira pronounced MY-RA or MIR-RA ?

Best wishes, Graham

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 04:09 am:

Mir-ra, Grahm

By Useless info (205.188.198.159 - 205.188.198.159) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 04:56 am:

Some people in Phily and NYC called it "Mirror" as in we are gonna cut at mirror.

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 02:23 pm:

Hmmm...then it would have been the ideal studio for the Reflections to record at.

By The funky Jew (64.12.101.162 - 64.12.101.162) on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 04:55 pm:

Good point Guido!!

A subconsciosly embedded thought indeed.

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 02:30 am:

Many a true word is spoken in jest....I think some of those Golden World Reflections songs were done in NY - so they just may have been recorded at Mira.
Graham

By Ian W (213.122.28.84 - 213.122.28.84) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 09:04 pm:

Bob (D'Orleans)

Ed and Joanne had another, and it seems, more obscure label called 'J & W' which ran, I think, in 1964. Did you produce anything on this label? I'll give a discography and maybe the other chaps can add to it:

J & W - ???? - Seven Sons Singers - Running The Race
J & W - 1000 - Stewart Ames - King For A Day/Angelina Oh Angelina
J & W - 1001 - Sue Perrin - I Can't Let Go/Clickety Clack Heart
J & W - 100 - Willie Morganfield - What More Do You Want
J & W - 105 - Earnest Thomas - While I Can

The Stewart Ames' track is worth quite a bit of money and is played quite a lot over here! Sue Perrin recorded on the first Golden World series of 45s! For us Brits, Willie Morganfield sounds too much like an old Burnley/Man United football player!

Thanks for listening Bob and conveying our messages to Ed and Joanne!

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 09:11 pm:

I spoke to Joanne tonight for twenty minutes and talked about the formation of Golden World.

A follow up call has been arranged for next week.

If you have any questions which are not too deep, please let me know.

By David Flynn (213.122.200.252 - 213.122.200.252) on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 09:30 pm:

I believe that J&W #100/105 are on a totally different label to #1000/1001, are they not?

Also worth noting that "King for a day" shares (almost) the same backing track as Jock Mitchell's "Nomad woman" on Golden Hit, of which I'd love a clean playing copy, please!

Flynny

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:49 am:

Ian, I'm sure Flynny is right as I once saw one of the other J&W 45s and it had a non-Detroit address on the label.
Graham

By Ian W (194.75.128.2 - 194.75.128.2) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 06:56 am:

Flynny & Graham, I'm sure you're right - I've only ever seen the Stewart Ames' 45 when Tim Brown wafted the vinyl briefly in front on my eyes. Thanks also for clearing up Jock Mitchell's track too, I didn't know whether it was 'Nomad' or 'No Mad'!

Ian

By John Lester (213.1.136.171 - 213.1.136.171) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 07:57 am:

Stewart Ames

Rixy has my copy......says he is looking after it for safe keeping. You can see that I believe anything!!

That record was on Keith Rylatt's list for about £1 and Keith had to persuade me to take it...I hadn't heard it at the time.

By tony Micale (68.40.213.22 - 68.40.213.22) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:05 pm:

Hi JoAnn & Ed
So glad you're doing well. We are still singing
and probibly working more now, then we did in the sixties. If you have a chance you can listen to our new CD we produced and hear joey sing like Jackie Wilson. We have replaced 3 members in the group. John Dean and I are the only originals from The Reflections, Joey Fanazo from the Seminoles and Gary Banovetz,Bernie Turnbull from the Larados we think we have a better sound take a listen to the New Reflections www.reflections-music.com
Tony Micale

By Carl Dixon London (195.153.219.170 - 195.153.219.170) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:12 pm:

Tony - I recently saw an American tv special with loads of groups singing on for a charity. Little Anthony was on it as was The Reflections! Was that you I saw in that case?

By John Lester (213.1.130.35 - 213.1.130.35) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:18 pm:

Tony.....Welcome to Soulful detroit..glad you could make it..

(Ritchie..quickly scan that UK EP and the US front cover so Tony can tell us who is who)

By Carl Dixon London (195.153.219.170 - 195.153.219.170) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:24 pm:

Tony - what I also ment to say was - welcome!! and if that was you on that special, the groups vocal harmonies were fantastic. I had never seen a picture or video of the group live and it was a treat. 'Girl in the candy store' is one of my favourite Golden World tracks. Unless I am on the wrong track here - I am at work glancing through the forum quickly! I will take a look at your web page.

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.122.127.208 - 213.122.127.208) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 03:16 pm:

Hi Tony

Welcome to SoulfulDetroit!

"Just Like Romeo and Juliet" is timeless. You can be so proud of that record.

Unfortunately Ed and Joanne are not on-line. I will be speaking to Joanne next week however, and will pass on your regards.

here is a direct link for everyone http://www.reflections-music.com

By BobDorleans (24.120.26.32 - 24.120.26.32) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 07:31 pm:

Tony

I live here in Las Vegas, right across town from Joanne and Ed and see and talk to them all the time. If you don't remember me, check with David, he can refresh you. You can email at the above email.

Bob d'Orleans

By Ian W (213.122.71.231 - 213.122.71.231) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 08:59 pm:

Tony

From a fan of the Reflections and all of the Golden World output, I thank you! Also, is it true you are the Tony Michaels who sang 'Picture Me And You' and 'I Love The Life I Live (And Live The Life I Love)'? (I'm sure someone mentioned this on the Forum but I'm darned if I can find it!) That is a great record and worth a quite a bit of money among us record collectors.

I believe there is a Reflections album on Golden World but haven't seen it. All of the tracks are on 45 except 'On Broadway', 'Gonna Turn The Place Out' and 'Couldn't Make It Like That'. Have any of our Forum members heard these?

By David Flynn (213.1.136.27 - 213.1.136.27) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:05 pm:

The Reflections LP - the stand out track for me is their version of "On Broadway". Set at an uptempo pace it really kicks along culminating in a wonderful instrumental bit at the end just after the most wonderful harmony bit by the guys, "On Broooooadwaaaaaaaay".....fabulous! Quite a hard LP to find.

Flynny
-p.s. My fav Reflections track is "June bride" - great lyric, vocals, backing track.....thank you Tony for that one in particular! :-)

By Ian W (213.122.71.231 - 213.122.71.231) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:07 pm:

John, I don't suppose Keith still has a spare on his list for £1! Go on then £2! To cut a long story short, I went to a record fair in Manchester over the weekend and found Theresa Lindsey - 'It's Love' on Correc-Tone. Needless to say Gail wouldn't let me buy it! Aaaaagh! I might start collecting rare stamps instead, they've got to be less expensive. (And not the JJ Barnes & Steve Mancha album either).

By Ian W (213.122.71.231 - 213.122.71.231) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:12 pm:

Thanks Flynny, another one for me to strive and find! :<(

By Millie (207.148.197.36 - 207.148.197.36) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:24 pm:

Tony, you did it! It wasn't that hard, was it! lol! See, isn't this fun, and look at all the people who know and love your music!! Please e-mail me your website address so I can print a calendar of where you're going to be all summer! Don't forget to check your calendar for September 6th...that's the night we'll all be at the Clawson Steak House. millivanilli@earthlink.net

Millie

By John Lester (213.122.198.54 - 213.122.198.54) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 10:12 pm:

Millie

We are quite harmless really...it's only Ralph that the ladies have to be wary of

ARF ARF!!

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 10:19 pm:

Hello again Tony

Great to see you've come to join the gang! We corresponded some time ago after you found the Reflctions' pic and Golden World listing on my website. Welcome, and please come back soon.

PS - "Comin' At You" is right up there in my Top Ten Detroit 45s on my website! Maybe one day we'll see it out on CD at last...?

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 12:16 am:

John...these days the ladies just laugh at me.

By DeAnne (24.234.119.126 - 24.234.119.126) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:17 am:

Hi Tony... can't wait to see you on the 6th of September. So good to hear from you.

By Millie (65.59.46.178 - 65.59.46.178) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 02:04 am:

Oh Ralph, why would the ladies laugh at you? You still have a full head of hair (so what if it's a little grey), you still have that lean, trim body (so what if takes you an hour to get up once you sit down), you've got all of your teeth which is a good thing, and what about that wonderful laugh? Ralphie Boy, you've got it all...maybe the ladies are laughing because because ... um...I'll think of something...stay tuned. Sure love you boy!
Millie

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 02:57 am:

Boy..I gotta hear this Millie-baby.

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 03:01 am:

TIME TO CLOSE THIS THREAD DOWN FOLKS....
PLEASE CONTINUE ON JOANN BRATTEN-ED WINGATE 2.....CLOSED..............

By Tony Micale reflections (68.40.213.22 - 68.40.213.22) on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 02:26 pm:

David,
Thanks for the compliments on the songs. "June
Bride" was written for me and my wife Barbara as
a wedding gift, which I sang to my bride for the first time at the wedding reception.
thanks Tony Micale