By Pogo (208.153.180.51 - 208.153.180.51) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 02:45 am:

I am looking for a copy of "Black & Blue" by the Gigolos, circa: early 1960's. Anyone have a copy and would drop it on a CD. Maybe swap for some early soul found on Detroit radio??

By Joe Moorehouse (152.163.207.203 - 152.163.207.203) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:45 pm:

I've got some of their stuff, but I don't know whether I have this one. What label is it on?

By the count (64.152.154.165 - 64.152.154.165) on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 09:00 pm:

Hey Pogo,i HAVE EVERYTHING BY THE gigolo'S,and Jamie Coe and The Gigolos.Let me know what you would like and I can record it onto CD.for you.((lables very from big top to addison)I was the drummer for the 5ive Invictas and we did a few shows with Gigolos.Its to bad we lost Vic Olson the sax player for the Gigolos.If tou ever heard CLEOPATRA by Jamie Coe and The Gigolos,the sax part was bad as hell,short but bad. Steve The Count Gronas.

By pogo (208.153.180.55 - 208.153.180.55) on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 12:29 pm:

Count,
I will e-mail you about what I want and what I can record for you. Pogo

By Marilyn (67.217.183.52 - 67.217.183.52) on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 08:41 pm:

Pogo-
I recorded Jamie Coe's FIRST record,& have released a CD with all his AND the Gigolos recordings. Are you in the states or overseas? Get in touch if you want a copy. e-mail ,phone (517-536-0891) or mail.
P.O.Box 148
Norvell,Mi.
49263

Tunefully yours,
Marilyn Bond

By THE COUNT (64.152.153.154 - 64.152.153.154) on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 11:10 pm:

Marilyn,that cd you did for Jamie Coe, did you record it from an album Jamie lent to you?i gave Jamie an album of Jamie Coe for his birthday about 3 years ago at his usual birthday parties, he about s---tThe album had Jamie Coe on one side and The Phantom NICK TOOD on the other side,it shure sounds like it was taken from this particular album. I have the cdyou did.Susie (jAMIES WIFE)WAS SELLING THEM AT jAMIES AND THE MONEY WAS GOING TO A CHAIRITY,SO I BOUGHT 6 OF THEM.All of the Gigolos songs are not on the album,but i have all the Gigolos records that were released,&some DJ sample copys(45's) I am putting these on one of the cd's i'am doing for LEE ALAN,4 IN ALL OF LEE'S YEARS ON THE WQTE,WXYZ,CKLW ETC.COMPLETE WITH ALL THE JINGLES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS,Along with Don Zee, Brother Joe and many more. You know what?you tickle me baby.I also have all the 45's and promo copy's of The Royal Jokers,which will also be in spots of the cd's.Man this site is like Edgewater park,P.O.P.,PAY ONE PRICE,RIDE ALL DAY,RIDE ALL NIGHT,USE THE P.O.P.BARGAIN PLAN. STEVE THE COUNT

By Dennis Coffey (152.163.201.202 - 152.163.201.202) on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 11:29 pm:

Hi folks. I remember going to Chicago and playing guitar on the record The Fool with Jamie. I think it was The Gigolos and me. That was quite awhile back. I still stop in and see Jamie once in awhile at Windjammers. He stills sounds good.

Dennis Coffey

By Ian W (62.6.95.187 - 62.6.95.187) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:12 pm:

Hi Dennis. Your mentioning of Windjammers reminded me of a record I have on Brunswick:

Brunswick B55456 - Windjammer Strings - Windjammer (What Are You Going To Be Doing This Summer)

Now I know where the name comes from! Many thanks!

Ian

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 05:39 pm:

Hey Count,
you mentioned Edgewater....it was there I first heard the Wurltzer electric piano coming over the loudspeakers playing records. Ray Charles' What'd I Say. I said to the guys I was with " What the hell is that?? " Did some investigating and new I had to have one. I was the second guy in the band circuit to get the Wurlitzer. The first, I believe, goes to the Popoff brother who had one in the late, great Royaltones.

By Millie (65.59.40.102 - 65.59.40.102) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 06:17 pm:

Ralph:
I can't believe you were second to get the Wurlitzer...Speaking of the Royaltones, I just listened to "See Saw"/"Poor Boy" about an hour ago! You've always known I live in the past! Yes, the past...you know where you've been, but you don't know where you're going...ah, yes, the past! Speaking of the past, what's new with "The Roaring of the Room"???

By the count (65.59.35.114 - 65.59.35.114) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 06:53 pm:

HEY RALPH,yes i also remember that wonderful sound OF the Wurlitzer elec. piano.Thats kool as hell man.THAT SHOULD BE IN THE DETROIT TRIVIA OF WHO'S WHO AND WHAT OF the Detroit sound.I also dig the sound of the Fender Roads elec. piano which were a big part of the Rock and ROOL INSTURMENTALS,1958--1965,ESPECIALY the slow insturmentals,the back seat music.But why did the windows fog up?I'am looking for a 1960--1962 model of the Fender Roads.Let me know if you hear of one for sale.....Tell yo mama--tell yo pa--tell everone to keep an eye or ears open for one.Thanks Ralph.PS>Gil has a new girlfriend******oowwww---wweee.Steve The Count.

By Ian W (213.122.56.13 - 213.122.56.13) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 09:23 pm:

The Fender Rhodes does it for me too - sounds a dream with all the effects gear too! Another thing I never had!

By Pogo (208.153.180.180 - 208.153.180.180) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 12:50 pm:

Marilyn,
Thanks for the info, actually I'm just looking for "Black & Blue". I'm trying to copy all my old instrumentals from the '50s & '60s onto a CD and I don't have the one by the Gigolos. Will pass your info onto others interested.

Pogo

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 01:59 pm:

Millie,

I actually did record something several years ago based on " The Roaring Of The Room ". It became very wierd and meandered into various styles. All in all I wasn't very happy with it. Maybe some day I'll re-work it and have Elina take a shot at it. Hmmmm....

Count,

I've owned two Fender Rhodes. As far as durabilty, they were a giant step up from the Wurltzers, but they had a terrible action and were tedious to play at times. You had to completely re-orient your touch to play a Rhodes. I was fortunate enough to have lunch with Harold Rhodes one day and discuss with him the pianos limitations regarding touch. The Wurlitzer had a ligitimit piano action, therefore the touch was authentic. The main problem with the Wurlitzer was breaking reeds.All in all though these two pianos were great breakthroughs for us keyboard players, as archaic as they may seem today.

So Gil has a new babe huh? If you see him, tell him I said to be careful...he's getting older now.

By the count (65.56.185.233 - 65.56.185.233) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 10:47 pm:

Cavoya Ralph, hey man,thanks for the info on the two great pianos.I've been a drummer all my life,but always digged the sound of that rhoads,and still do...If i can find one,i'll tickle the ivories,for self pleasure and exp..I will give Gil your message and will tell him to call you.....He swears by VIAGRA,but i told him it's the Rigamortis hes feeling,or maybe he takes it so he dont roll out of bed....Gil is great and good hearted guy and loves to be humered.HOPE TO MEET WITH YOU SOMEDAY SOON RALPH.Steve (the count)

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 11:34 pm:

I'm looking forward to meeting you also Count.

By john lester (213.1.137.146 - 213.1.137.146) on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 08:25 pm:

Tell Gil not to take a 100mg of that Viagra..or he might find it a bit difficult to ROLL anywhere.
Well, maybe 180 degrees and that's about the limit!!


Ooops, sorry about that!

By Ian W (213.122.107.26 - 213.122.107.26) on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:49 pm:

Is that from experience John?

By john lester (213.1.137.146 - 213.1.137.146) on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:12 pm:

Now ...I am blushing!!

Listen, it's this old man's best friend these days!

By BOB BABBITT (152.163.204.206 - 152.163.204.206) on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 04:35 am:

HEY MO-FU'S..........."BLACK AND BLUE"......
FROM WHAT I REMEMBER THE GIGALOS WERE NOT THE GROUP WHO RECORDED THAT RECORD............
THE GROUP THAT I REMEMBER RECORDING IT WAS THE "DYNATONES".........ONE OF THE SAX PLAYERS IN THE GIGALOS WAS DAVE KOVARICK...WHO ORGINALY WAS IN THE DYNATONES AND HE WAS THE SAX PLAYER ON THE RECORD..GEORGE KATSAKIS PLAYS WITH DAVE SOMETIMES AND HE MAY BE ABLE TO VERIFY THIS......
BOB BABBITT

By Marilyn (67.217.183.102 - 67.217.183.102) on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 08:22 pm:

Okay guys,time to clear a few things up again. Dennis (of the Gigolos) played sax on "Black & Blue". No,Steve (Count),I did NOT copy the cd from an album. If there ever was one,it must have been a bootleg,because Jamie never had a legit one out. That's why I licensed everything & put out the CD. "Black & Blue" was recorded by several people. It was a very popular song at the time. When I put out the CD,we even had t-shirts made up. We had a ball selling them. Jamie is well-known for donating a lot of money to charity. He's a nice guy that way.
Marilyn

By The Count (65.59.39.83 - 65.59.39.83) on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 08:36 pm:

Marilyn,the album I gave to Jamie was no bootleg.Even the picture of Jamie on the cover of the CD is from that album of Jamie Coe & The Gigolos,Other side of album was The Phantom(Nick Tood).. Next time you talk to Jamie ask him about the album i gave him for his birthday.Even the scratchie parts from the album on some of the songs appear in the CD>I even lent a other copy of that album to Tom Knight,which i never got back from him along with 21 other records i lent Tom.. Thats why he had a huge collection, he would borrow and never return....Steve The Count.

By mb4music (67.217.183.50 - 67.217.183.50) on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 05:56 pm:

Well,Steve,you obviously know more about my business than I do,so I guess I just must have copied this mysterious album of yours. That makes me a bootleggert too,eh?
Marilyn

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.71 - 66.3.224.71) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:51 am:

BLACK AND BLUE WAS RECORDED BY THE GIGOLOS IN THE YEAR OF 1959. THE BAND CONSISTED OF
BO SAVICH--- DRUMS
GRANT SMITH--- BASS
JACK RAINWATER--- GUITAR
DAVID KOVARIK--- LEAD TENOR
VIC OLSON SECOND TENOR
IT WAS RECORDED I THINK ON TOP DOG.
I STARTED WITH THE GIGOLOS IN 1959 AND STAYED FOR ONE YEAR TO GO PLAY IN NEW YORK CITY WITH A SHOW GROUP.I REJOINED THE GIGOLOS IN THE YEAR OF 1963 UNTIL 1971, SOME OF THE BARS WE PLAYED WERE ROSE BAR, THE MILITARY INN,KING ARTHURS,GAY HAVEN,WEST FORT TAVERN,DUN ROVEN,WEST SIDE SIX,FUNNY FARM, SIP AND CHAT,POMPEI,WHEN I LEFT TO PLAY WITH TERRY AND THE TOPICS. AT THE SIDE DOOR LOUNGE ON TELEGRAPH ROAD.AS FAR AS KNOW THE ONLY REMAING COPY OF BLACK AND BLUE ( 45 ) IS OWNED BY JACK RAINWATER.I HAVE THE POSTER OF THE ORIGINAL GIGOLOS TAKEN AT THE FUNNY FARM, BUT THAT HAS RAY HOGAN ON DRUMS.I WOULDNT HAVE THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED THE DYNA TONES BABBIT. NICE HEARING FROM YOU MAN. WHATS UP WITH YOU???
DAVID KOVARIK

By David Flynn (213.122.196.198 - 213.122.196.198) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:06 am:

GRANT SMITH--- BASS

David,
Was this the same guy who recorded "Thinking about you" on MGM in '68 as Grant Smith & The Power?

Flynny

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 10:27 am:

Hi David K and Babbit,
I thought that the Top Dog label dated from the mid-late 60s. Were you (DK) recording for Artie Fields?
The only Dynatones 45 I know is called "The Fyfe Piper" (sp?) which, from memory, was on the HBR label. It's dominated by a flute and I haven't heard it in donkey's years. A great record.
Graham

By Lynn Bruce (68.41.108.38 - 68.41.108.38) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:19 pm:

Hey, David Kovarick, How,s your brother Quanter? I think you have your dates wrong as in the spring of 1960 I joined you Jack Rainwater,&Jimmy Van in Gary Ind. then we played in Massena,N.Y.Washington D.C. under the Gigalos name and THEN we went to Rose,s to join Jamie at that time Bo was still with Johnny &the Hurricanes although afew weeks later we switched places. To this day I still think he got the better end of the deal in the long run,but I did get to meet a lot of cool people in the Hurricanes I still love the sound of your sax playing no matter how many years go by. Hope your doing well.Do you mean the time before Bo went with the Hurricanes, that all this took place? Lynn P.S. Remember that ratty hotel in Massena that only had sinks in the room that we had to use as urinal,s. The good old day,s!!!!!

By Eric (67.25.218.135 - 67.25.218.135) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 02:01 pm:

{Gigolo}

By Eric (67.25.218.135 - 67.25.218.135) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 02:05 pm:

By David Flynn (213.122.195.112 - 213.122.195.112) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 06:12 pm:

The Dynatones "The fife piper" originally came out on St.Clair Records (#117) before going to HBR (#494). They are also slightly different versions, with the local copy being harder, if one can use that term when there's a flute in the track?! ;-)

Flynny

By thecount (64.152.157.115 - 64.152.157.115) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 09:06 pm:

Hey Lynn, Steve The Count here from the 5IVE INVICTAS. We toured N.Y.durring 1962&63.I can relate to those stale beer smellin hotels.How do you know if your in a hotel in Massena N.Y.?--when you call the front desk and say, hey man I've gotta leak in my sink,and he says,go ahead. Steve"The Count"

By Ian W (213.122.16.27 - 213.122.16.27) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 10:22 pm:

Great scan, Eric, I've never seen the label. I don't think I've seen a ZTSC number that low either!

By thecount (64.152.157.115 - 64.152.157.115) on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 11:54 pm:

Hey Dave,Got your E-mail today. Good to here from you. The last time we seen each other was at Jamies Jammer 2,and you were with your wife and I told you I was going to Vegas,and would be seeing George Sheehan,and you gave me your card to give to him and have him call you.You and I have known each other and of each other for about 40 yrs. Anyhow, I can make you a CD of YOU TICKLE BABY,but I only have one copy of the record and I'am not a record trader or seller,just collected so many over the years and never got rid of them . I've lost some and lent some out that never returned,some worth their groove in gold, but what can you do?.IF YOU WANT THE 45, I CAN PROBABLY LOCATE ONE FOR YOU. STEVE "THE COUNT" GRONAS. PS I got a call from Lee Alan today, he wants to meet me at the Clawson Sat.I'am gonna try to make it,I told him to try to make it at Jamies instead.Are you going Sat.? If not, come to Jamies Sat. Call me at 313-BR.8-3031...

By Millie (166.90.233.147 - 166.90.233.147) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 12:01 am:

Hey Steve!
I know someone who has the master of "You Tickle Me Baby"...why don't you come to the Clawson Saturday night...that's where everyone else is going to be, including Lee Alan, Dennis Coffey, Steve Fischer, Gordon Prince and Johnny Powers, along with a few other people. You can go to Jammer's any time!
Millie

By thecount (209.244.88.169 - 209.244.88.169) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 12:46 am:

Hey Eric how did you get your image to post. I am using ie6 and I cant find the automatic image loading option. Can you help? email me at ss62409@netzero.net...thanks The Count

By thecount (63.212.147.215 - 63.212.147.215) on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:15 pm:

HI Millie,I spoke with Lee Alan again today and he insists we meet at the CLAWSON.We have some things to close a deal on so,I guess I better just be there,besides,it will be a pleasure to see you and all the flat top cats and dungaree dolls again!!!How the heck do I get there from DEARBORN?Call me at 313 BR.8-3031. Steve "The Count"

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.54 - 66.3.224.54) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 03:09 am:

STEVE,
THANKS SO MUCH FOR OFFERING TO MAKE ME A COPY OF YOU TICLE ME BABY. THAT IS ALL I REALLY WANT JUST A CD COPY. SO GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU.I AM VACATION IN FLORIDA RIGHT NOW. BUT WILL BE AT THE CLAWSON SEPT. 6TH. LETS GET TOGETHER THEN. WHAT ARE YOU DOING NOW???? I AM STILL WITH FORDS BUT HAVE PICKED UP MY HORN AGAIN. AFTER TO MANY YEARS.NICK PALISE, GEORGE K AND GIL, AND ANOTHER GUY HAVE BEEN GETTING TOGETHER ON SUNDAYS REHEARSING. GETTING BACK OUR READING ABILITIES.LOVE TO HEAR FROM THE OLD GUYS.TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF AND THANKS AGAIN FOR THE ANSWER.JAMIE IS STILL GOING STRONG.HE IS STILL ONE OF THE FEW BARS AROUND THAT DRAWS A GREAT CROWD OF DANCERS. THAT IS NOT TO DISCOUNT THE CLAWSON, GREAT GROUP OF GUYS. SAT IN THERE AND HAD A BLAST.
KEEP IN TOUCH
DAVID KOVARIK

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.54 - 66.3.224.54) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 03:36 am:

COOLCAT,
THIS IS DAVID KOVARIK AND YES I DID LOTS OF SESSIONS FOR ARTIE FIELDS.I DONT KNOW IF WE KNOW EACH OTHER OR NOT??? WELL IF WE DONT I AM AN OLD SAX PLAYER FROM THE GIGOLO ERA. I PLAYED A LITTLE WITH A LOT OF THE OLD GROUPS AROUND.AND PLAYED MANY OF THE OLD ROACH MOTEL BARS IN THE CITY.AND LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF IT.NOW I AM CURRENTLY AT FORD MOTOR CO. HAVE BEEN FOR 29 YEARS. BUT I AM BACK PLAYING. I WILL BE SITTING IN WITH GEORGE AT THE CLAWSON HOUSE SEPT 6 TH HOPE YOU CAN MAKE IT.LOOK FOR ME IN THE FUTURE.
DAVID KOVARIK

By BETTY THE GROUPIE (66.3.224.54 - 66.3.224.54) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 03:41 am:

MARILYN,
TO CLEAR THINGS UP THE GUYS NAME THAT PLAYED SAX IN THE GIGOLOS WAS DAVE KOVARIK. DENNIS WAS HIS BROTHER, HE PLAYED BASS.

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.54 - 66.3.224.54) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 04:11 am:

LYNN,
THIS IS MY SECOND ATTEMPT AT THIS FOR YOU. I GUESS I HIT THE DELETE KEY. ANYWAY YOU ARE SO RIGHT ABOUT THE DATES. DO I REMEMBER MESSINA NEW YORK??? YOU BET I DO, I THOUGHT WE WERE ON TOP THEN. WHAT A LAUGH, BUT WE HAD A HELL OF A LOT OF FUN DIDNT WE. JIMMY VAN IS IN ARIZONIA MY WIFE KEEPS IN TOUCH WITH HIM. HE IS SELLING ORGANS AND PLAYING WITH A DOO WOOP GROUP. QUANNER IS THE OWNER AND OPERATOR OF A WEDDING CHAPEL IN VEGAS. DOING GREAT FOR HIMSELF.HE HAS A BRAND NEW BABY ALSO. I AM STILL AT FORDS AFTER 29 YEARS. I RETIRE THIS YEAR. I HAVE BEEN PRACTICING WITH GIL, NICK AND GEORGE K.WE ARE ALL GETTING OUR READING BACK. AND OF COURSE I AM STILL LOOKING FOR MY LIP.YOU CAN TAKE THE MUSIC AWAY FROM THE MAN, BUT YOU CANT TAKE THE MAN AWAY FROM HIS MUSIC. NOT FOREVER ANYWAY.I AM LOVING BEING BACK AT IT.I AM ON VACATION NOW IN FLORIDA, I BROUGHT MY AX DOWN HERE. I SIT IN WITH THE BOB ROBERTS SOCIETY BAND WHEN I COME DOWN. IT IS AN 18 PIECE ORCHESTRA. WE HAVE A GOOD TIME. DIFFERENT FROM ROSE BAR. BUT I WOULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN. DO YOU REMEMBER ERNIE THE OWNER OF ROSES??? GREAT GUY. ALSO REMEMBER GEORGE HI HO SILVER??? DOES ANYONE OUT THERE FROM ROSE BAR KNOW IF GEORGE IS STILL WITH US??? THERE WERE SO MANY OF THE SMALL DUMPS I LOVE TO RECALL THEM ALL WITH FOND MEMORIES.HOPE YOU ARE WELL TO. WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU DOWN AT THE CLAWSON ON SEPTEMBER 6 TH. IF YOUR NOT GOING GIVE ME A CALL I AM IN THE BOOK IN SOUTH LYON.I SAW JACK RAINWATER IN FIESTAS RESTAURANT NOT TO LONG AGO, HE IS DOING GREAT.I SAT IN WITH NICK PALISE AT EMMITTS, AND MET UP WITH SOME GUYS FROM THE GAY HAVEN. WHAT A BLAST FROM THE PAST THAT WAS.GREAT TO TALK WITH YOU LYNN KEEP IN TOUCH.IT HAS BEEN TO MANY YEARS TO LOOSE EACH OTHER AGAIN.
DAVID KOVARIK
JAMIE IS DOING GREAT ALSO. SOME OF US ARE STILL AROUND. WE SEE HIM EVERY NOW AND THEN.HE STILL KICKS BUTT WITH THE DANCERS.HIS CROWD IS STILL UP THERE AFTER ALL THESE YEARS.THE GUYS AT THE CLAWSON REALLY DO A GREAT JOB.HOPE YOU CAN MAKE IT.

By MISS BETTY (66.3.224.54 - 66.3.224.54) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 04:19 am:

Of all the groups around, and I saw most of them. the gigolos were the best in their day.I followed them every where.I use to love to see Dave k play his two horns. he was the first.I would love to see an old gigolos reunion, to bad most of them are gone.I seen Dave and Nick P at the Reddog in Milford they kicked some ass there.keep it up guys.
one of your old fans and a groupie of. George. Coloves
Betty

By acoolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 05:11 am:

David K
I'm pretty sure I've never had the pleasure of meeting you as I'm British and currently live in Taiwan.
But, I'll be coming to Detroit in September and will hopefully see you on the 6th.
Graham

By thecount (65.59.39.46 - 65.59.39.46) on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 11:26 pm:

HI David,okay, i will make you yhe CD,and I'll put some other surprises on it for you.Where at FO.MO.CO. do you work?I'am still playing drums and singing some DOO_WOP with 4 other members of my KAR KLUB,(Kontinentals,The Doo-Wop Kruisers)(5 of us in my klub sing accapella and have a good time and for fun.at the time we have 35 members in the Kar Klub, but we want it small,after all,it's hard to find guys that fit our image,d.a. hair cuts and points and just Kool and commited to the Detroit sound and Doo-Wop. and iam working for FO.MO.CO. also.I do the custom paint and body build of the concepts,and we do all the FO.MO.CO. commercials.Thats how I get to travel so much and fortunate to see DEANN when in Vegas,at lease 4--5 times a year.Yes,the Clawson is very KOOL,but when your with friends of the past that you havent seen in so long,and amungst all the great talent,even DEHOCO would be Kool.(going to dehoco-na na na na yay ya)Cant wait to see you and hear you play again live.I hear you everyday,Kause all i play is the good ol Detroit sound AT HOME,at work,and always. See ya soon, Steve "The Count"

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.27 - 66.3.224.27) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 02:30 am:

COUNT,
THIS IS DAVID K. IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION ABOUT WHICH FORDS, I WORK OUT IN RAWSONVILLE.IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT WORKING. I HAVE ABOUT 13 MECHANICS THAT I OVERSEE, AND DO ALL THE ORDERING FOR FORDS TRANSPORTATION GARAGES.MOSTLY I DO CROSSWORDS.THANKS FOR THE OFFER TO MAKE ME THE CD.DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW JACK BARR??? HE HAS A CAR CLUB ALSO. CANT REMEMBER THE NAME. HE IS AN OLD JAMIE COE FOLLOWER. DANCES HIS BUTT OFF.WHICH FORDS ARE YOU AT??? I ALSO WORKED MILAN FORDS FOR 9 YEARS.HEY I WOULD LOVE TO GET ALL THE OLD GUYS TOGETHER AND GO BACK AND ENTERTAIN THE BOYS IN DEHOCO. I USE TO LOVE TO DO THE PRISONS. SOMEHOW THEY LOVED US. AND WE LOVED DOING IT.THE CLAWSON IS A FUN PLACE, BUT JUST BECAUSE OF THE GUYS WHO ARE IN THE BAND. GEORGE AND I HAVE BEEN FRIENDS FOR MANY MANY YEARS.AND I LIKE GUY AND DENNIS VERY MUCH.THEY ARE VERY GRACIOUS ABOUT LETTING MUSICIANS SIT IN AND JUST JAM WITH THEM.. SO YOU ARE SO RIGHT IT ISNT THE PLACE, BUT THE COMPANY YOU KEEP.LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING DEANN AGAIN.SHE IS A GREAT GAL.AS I SAID BEFORE I JUST PICKED MY AX BACK UP AFTER MANY YEARS.I AM NOW ENJOYING THE SITTING IN HERE AND THERE.HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE CLAWSON.SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER FOR ALL THE DETROIT MUSICIANS OF THE GOOD OLD DAYS.
KEEP IN TOUCH I AM IN THE SOUTH LYON PHONE BOOK, GIVE ME A SHOUT.I AM IN FLORIDA NOW BUT WILL BE HOME MAY 25 TH.
WISH I COULD SAY I HAD A DA HAIR CUT, I DONT HAVE MUCH LEFT.
LOL
DAVID K

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.27 - 66.3.224.27) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 02:37 am:

GRAHAM,
YOUR PROBABLY RIGHT. WE HAVE NEVER MET. BUT I DO LOOK FOWARD TO MEETING YOU.I GUESS YOU COULD SAY I HAVE BEEN PART OF THE DETROIT SCENE FOREVER. I HAVE PLAYED EVERY BAR I THINK IN THE CITY, AT ONE TIME OR THE OTHER.I PLAY TENOR, ALTO, AND ALL THE WOOD WINDS ACTUALLY.AS A YOUTH I WANTED TO PLAY JUST LIKE CHARLIE PARKER. THE BIRD WAS MY IDOL.BUT I THINK I FELL SHORT. LOL I HAVE BEEN AWAY FROM PLAYING FOR A FEW YEARS BUT I AM BACK,AND FIFTY YEARS LATER I AM STILL HOPING TO CAPTURE THE BIRDS SOUND.
TAKE CARE AND HOPE WE GET A CHANCE TO TALK AT THE CLAWSON.
DAVID K

By thecount (166.90.227.249 - 166.90.227.249) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 02:52 am:

HI Dave,Yes I know Jack Barr,spent time with him in 14th. precent.He is in my Kar Klub,Kontinentals--the doo-wop kruisers.What a nutso.We are at Jamies about every Sat. night.I work for D.S.T. we are a vender and service to FO.MO.CO.I'am goeing to be painting some flames on Jack Barrs Prowler soon.He thinks he has a hot rod,but he is a member and we love him in the club.His wife Joyce does our 50-50 on our Kruise nites and man does she let it hang out,and the ticket sales are teriffic..But she has the personelity to go along with it. See you soon. Steve "The Count"

By Millie (65.59.43.195 - 65.59.43.195) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 03:03 am:

Hi Dave!
It's been years...how are you? Sorry you missed Steve Fischer when he was in town last weekend. He hadn't played in 15 years, didn't bring his sax, but he did bring a reed and mouthpiece, so he was able to play George's sax! Didn't miss a beat! What part of Florida do you live in? Steve's in Miami, and owns a gunsmithing shop. You two should get together...he'd love to see you. I've got his phone numbers if you want them. Let me know.
Millie

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 05:00 pm:

Steve
please email me the image(s)

david@soulfuldetroit.com

By thecount (64.152.152.55 - 64.152.152.55) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 07:50 pm:

trying with ie6 to upload this pic of jamie

By thecount (64.152.152.55 - 64.152.152.55) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 08:32 pm:

Some more pictures at Jamies, the last year George (Terry) Sheehan was in Detroit, Jamie demanded me and Terry to perform. Here are the two Counts together. Me on drums...Steve the Count/George singing, the crowd loved it as they always loved George's performance and his personality. He is a lovable person that is missed by all. George had more friends than this forum could ever hold.
Steve the Count

First picture is Terry and the Topics at the side door. If you ever missed them there, you missed one of a kind Detroit sound.

By thecount (64.152.152.55 - 64.152.152.55) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 08:34 pm:

Me and Terry

By thecount (64.152.152.55 - 64.152.152.55) on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 08:35 pm:

The Count on Drums

By D. KOVARIK (66.3.224.7 - 66.3.224.7) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 03:18 am:

COUNT,
GREAT PICTURES OF BOTH GEORGES. AND HOW RIGHT YOU ARE ABOUT TERRY BEING LOVED BY ALL.HE AND I SURE TIPPED A FEW BREWS TOGETHER.WE ALWAYS HAD A GREAT TIME.HE IS REALLY MISSED.SO MANY OF MY GREAT BUDDIES ARE GONE.DO YOU REMEMBER THE BARTENDER AND MANAGER OF THE WEST SIDE SIX??? HIS NAME WAS RAY EWALD. NICKNAME WAS RAYZO. CRAZY F@#$#%$#ER. HE IS GONE AND MISSED GREATLY BY ALL THAT KNEW HIM.LOVED THE PICTURE OF JAMIE. GREAT HAIR TO AUCTION OFF FOR CHARITY.
AH YES JACK BARR IS A MANIAC.WE SEE HIM QUITE A BIT. HE AND JOYCE SPENT NEW YEARS EVE WITH PAM AND I.WE ARE VERY GOOD FRIENDS WITH MARTY AND BETTY LAHTI. HE IS A GOOD FRIEND OF JACKS ALSO. MARTY WAS THE BOUNCER IN ALL THE SEWERS WE PLAYED.MY WIFE WENT TO THE DO WOP NIGHT AT CLARENCVILLE, TO SEE THE REFLECTIONS WITH MARTY AND HIS WIFE.I KNOW THE GUYS FROM THE OLD CAR CLUB WERE THERE WERE YOU???? PAM MY WIFE WAS IN THE FIRST ROW.MARTY IS FRIENDS WITH THE GUY WHO PUTS IT ON.EDDIE MORELLI DO YOU KNOW HIM???WELL GLAD TO SEE IF JAMIE WAS GOING TO GO ON THE WEB IT WAS WITH A MICHIGAN SHIRT ON.
TALK WITH YOU SOON. SMALL WORLD.IF YOU SEE JACK AND JOYCE TELL THEM WE SAID HELLO.
DAVID KOVARIK

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.7 - 66.3.224.7) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 03:28 am:

MILLIE,
NICE TO HEAR YOUR STILL IN THE MUSIC SCENE.ALSO NICE TO HEAR FROM YOU, AFTER SO MANY YEARS. I AM IN PALM BEACH. ACTUALLY OCEAN RIDGE, IT IS AN ISLAND BETWEEN THE ATLANTIC OCEAN AND THE INTER-COASTAL.THIS IS WHERE I SPEND MY TIME WHEN IM NOT AT FORDS.I CALLED STEVE THIS WEEK AND HE DIDNT RETURN THE CALL, SO I AM SURE HE MUST BE BUSY. I KNOW HE JUST GOT BACK HERE ON TUESDAY. PAM AND I WERE GOING TO DRIVE TO MIAMI TO SEE HIM, BUT WE ARE LEAVING TO COME HOME ON SATURDAY. SO IT IS A LITTLE LATE. BUT FOR SURE THE NEXT TIME WE ARE DOWN, WE WILL LOOK HIM UP. IT IS ONLY AN HOUR AWAY.WE GO DOWN TO SOUTH BEACH QUITE A LOT, AND NEVER KNEW STEVE WAS IN MIAMI.AS YOU HAVE PROBABLY HEARD I AM BACK PLAYING OR TRYING TO PLAY ANYWAY.I WILL BE AT THE CLAWSON ON THE 6TH.TAKE CAR OF YOURSELF AND WE WILL SEE YOU THERE,
DAVID KOVARIK

By Millie (63.212.144.200 - 63.212.144.200) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 03:40 am:

Hi Dave!
Are you sure you have the right number for Steve? He definately would have returned your call...here's his cell: 786 348-6369...he always has it with him! We've got to figure out a way for him to come back the weekend of September 6th because I think our fundraiser will be on Sunday, the 8th... a whole weekend of memories and music!!We're still really early in the planning stages, but it looks like it's going to be big! Saw Jerry Schiapetta in an old commercial the other day...he looks so old! Oh..he is old!!!!! Take care.

By DKOVARIK (66.3.224.7 - 66.3.224.7) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 04:18 am:

MILLIE,
I HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBERS FOR STEVE BUT DONT FORGET HE HAS BEEN TO DETROIT AND IS PROBABLY REALLY BUSY, SINCE HE JUST GOT BACK. I HEARD HE DID A GREAT JOB SITTING IN.GLAD TO HEAR HE IS STILL PLAYING.I HAVENT SEEN JERRY IN A LOT OF YEARS AND YOU GOT IT WE ARE ALL OLD.ALTHOUGH THAT IS JUST A STATE OF MIND.UNFORTUNATELY EVERY MORNING AROUND 3 AM WHEN THE ALARM GOES OFF,I TRY AND REMIND MYSELF ABOUT THAT STATE OF MIND SHIT.AND IT NEVER QUITE WORKS.
TALK WITH YOU SOON,
DAVID KOVARIK

By DeAnne (24.234.119.126 - 24.234.119.126) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 04:24 am:

Dear Dave...
Can't wait to see you and Pam on the 6th. I am sooo glad that you are playing again... there's nothing like a solo on your sax during a great ballad. Only a singer can remember how you can compliment a voice on a ballad. Miss you much.

By Lynn Bruce (68.41.108.38 - 68.41.108.38) on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 03:38 pm:

Hi Dave,I just had a new computer built by my computer teacher.My daughter let us use her old one at christmas.I felt like the last guy on the block to get a telephone.I knew I needed lessons when my 10 year old grandson laughed at me because I didn't know how to turn it on.I,m still in Dearborn.I,m retired from Northwest Airlines (3 years ago)I,ve been playing till alittle over a year ago.For the last thirty years I'd get home from a gig at 2:30 a.m.&get up at 4:00 am usually on fri,sat,&sun go to work.WHAT A DRAG!! Now that I'm retired, I'm not playing in a group at the moment.Oh,the injustice of it all.I,m glad you &Quanner are doing well.I hope to see you soon,we have a lot of (talking about use to be} to do.Remember at Roses bar,when to get aJohn Lee Hooker Boogie Chillin sound, Jack Rainwater would crank his amp up full blast and we would throw all the covers on the speaker.It got that sound,but I'm not sure how often Jack had to replace his speakers!!! Your long lost pal,Lynn

By DKOVARIK (66.3.224.44 - 66.3.224.44) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:55 am:

LYNN BRUCE

LOOKING FOWARD TO GETTING TOGETHER.COME ON OUT SEPT 6 TH IF YOU CAN TO THE CLAWSON. IT IS GOING TO BE JAMMED BUT HOPEFULLY WE COULD TALK SOME SHIT.IF NOT WHY DONT YOU COME OUT TO THE HOUSE SOME NIGHT.I AM IN THE SOUTH LYON PHONE BOOK.WE MOVED THERE ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO.WE LOVE IT.I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN ABOUT THESE COMPUTERS. MY GRANDCHILDREN HAD TO SET OUR INSTANT MESSAGE UP. ALTHOUGH PAM MY WIFE LOVES THE COMPUTER.SHE DOES ALL MY TYPING FOR ME, I AM A ONE FINGER PICKER.I USE A COMPUTER ALL DAY AT WORK, BUT IN A MUCH DIFFERENT MANNER.IT IS JUST A BLAST FROM THE PAST TO HEAR FROM YOU.GOD THE SHIT WE DIDNT DO AT ROSE BAR.WHERE ARE YOU FROM IN DEARBORN??? MY WIFE AND I BOTH WERE FROM DEARBORN.CALL ME AFTER THE MEMORIAL WEEK END. I AM IN FLORIDA.WE HAVE A PLACE DOWN HERE AND THIS IS MY SALVATION. WE ARE IN PALM BEACH, AND LOVE IT.
I HAVE BEEN PLAYING WITH NICK PALISE, GEORGE KASTKAS,AND GIL. WE ARE HAVING FUN. ALTHOUGH I WOULD HATE THE BAR SCENE NOW TO.I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT GOING FORWARD WAS MUCH MORE FUN THAN GOING BACKWARDS.
TALK TO YOU SOON
YOUR FRIEND
DAVID KOVARIK

By DKOVARIK (66.3.224.44 - 66.3.224.44) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:05 am:

DEANN,
WHAT A VERY NICE THING TO SAY. I ALWAYS LOVED THE WAY WE COMPLIMENTED EACH OTHER.YOUR VOICE AND MY HORN AND A SOLO MAKES FOR PERFECT TIMIMG.WE SURELY HAD SOME GREAT TIMES TOGETHER.PAM IS VERY EXCITED ABOUT SEEING YOU TO. SHE SAID YOU TWO HAD A NICE TALK THE LAST TIME SHE WAS IN VEGAS.IS KELLY COMING??IT SEEMS LIKE YESTERDAY HER AND MY SON WERE BORN.I ONLY WISH TERRY HAD STUCK AROUND TO SEE US ALL BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. ALTHOUGH HE REALLY IS STILL WATCHING IT ALL, AND LOVING IT.THANKS AGAIN FOR THE LOVELY COMPLIMENT------- FROM A LOVELY FRIEND.I HOPE I DONT DISAPPOINTMENT YOU IN SEPTEMBER IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.PAM SAYS I AM LIKE AN OLD BOTTLE OF WINE.I AM AGING.
TAKE CARE OF YOU,
DAVID KOVARIK

By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.44 - 66.3.224.44) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:14 am:

MILLIE,
GOT IN TOUCH WITH STEVE FINALLY. WE ARE MEETING UP FOR DINNER TOMORROW IN MIAMI. WE ARE ALSO GOING OVER TO HIS BUSINESS TO SEE SOME OF HIS GUNS, AS PAM AND I BOTH SHOOT WE ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT HE IS DOING.OUR OLDEST SON AT AGE 15 WORKED FOR STEVE WHEN HE WAS ON FORD ROAD.THANKS FOR TRYING TO HELP SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER.
DAVID

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:14 am:

THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED...PLEASE CONTINUE ON GIGOLOS 2

By thecount (166.90.226.98 - 166.90.226.98) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:52 am:

Dave,there is no way in hell you could ever lose the touch,when you have the finest horn players around like yourself George"The Kat",Steve Fisher,Gil Bridges,its impossible.It don't matter how long you been away from it,whats touching is the fact David Kovarik is blowing that horn again,and thats what makes it the way we all remember,just seeing you with that horn in your hand is saying it all,and that sweet sound will speak for itself.I agree with Pam,your like a old bottle of wine,it gets better with age...HHHHUUUMMMM,I have a bottle of unopened Cadillac Club Nature Boy,I wonder how good this will be..We will make Jack Barr take the first pull to find out..Man Dave,we got to get together and talk some good old shit and fun.was your horn manufactured in Pakistan,by a Pakistan watch maker,it is true,over 40 years to develope the fine tone of the David Kovarik fine toned horn,registered with lords of lundon and guarded by 15 pinkertonmen everynite in the vaults.(A line from Lee Alan) Steve "The Count" P.S.when we do this reunion in Dec.I hope I will be invited to set in also,we will make Vic,George Sheehan,Bo Savitch,and everyone else in ROCK@ROLL HEAVEN proud of us all.

By Millie (209.244.91.107 - 209.244.91.107) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 02:12 am:

Dave:
Steve called me from his cell earlier tonite and before his phone died, he said he'd be having dinner with you tomorrow! So glad you two are finally getting together...you have so much in common...horns and guns!! Hey, that would make a great title for a song...oh, Guns & Roses already did it!! Tell me about your kids. You and Pam must be grandparents by now! I've got a daughter 21 and a son almost 15...where does the time go? Remember when I got your kids on the Bozo Show?lol

By Millie (209.244.91.107 - 209.244.91.107) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 02:17 am:

Dave, forgot to mention something to you. Remember my friend Kit? She died in January...how sad. I didn't find out until April, which would have been her 54th birthday. Too many people are dying much too young.

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.122.192.111 - 213.122.192.111) on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 07:53 am:

When Ralph closes threads down, he does so to keep the thread loose for those on 56k modems.

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By DAVID KOVARIK (66.3.224.75 - 66.3.224.75) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 03:44 am:

STEVE THE COUNT,
THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE VOTE OF CONFIDENCE. I DO HOPE TO SEE YOU SEPT. 6 TH. TALKED WITH STEVE FISHER HE IS GOING TO TRY AND MAKE IT, BUT HE IS SHOOTING SPORTING CLAY IN GERMANY AT THAT TIME.HE SHOOTS COMETITION.WE WENT TO MIAMI TODAY TOO SEE HIS GUN SHOP. WE TALKED SOME SHIT TO. ITS GREAT SEEING EVEYONE AFTER SO LONG.I AM QUITE SURE THEY WILL ASK YOU TO SIT IN. AS A MATTER OF FACT I HOPE THEY ASK ME.YOU SURE BOOSTED MY EGO. MY WIFE TELLS ME JUST KEEP PRACTICING HONEY AND SOON YOU WILL SOUND BETTER. LOL
PS WE WILL MAKE JACK BARR THE WHOLE BOTTLE OF THUNDERBIRD, BETTER HIM THAN ME, I HAVENT HAD A DRINK IN TWELVE YEARS.AND I ALMOST TURNED CATHOLIC TO LOL.BY THE WAY HE DOESNT KNOW IT YET BUT MY WIFE IS MAKING HIM COME TO THE CLAWSON IF HE IS IN TOWN.MY WIFE LOVES JACK AND HIS WIFE.
WHATS THE WORD???????????? THUNDERBIRD
WHATS THE PRICE???????????44 X 2
KEEP IN TOUCH,
DAVID KOVARIK

By DAVE KOVARIK (66.3.224.75 - 66.3.224.75) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 03:55 am:

COUNT,
FORGOT TO MENTION, I WISH THEY WOULD ASK EVERYONE TO SIT IN IN REMEMBERENCE OF ALL OUR BUDDIES WHO LEFT US TO EARLY.BUT I MUST ADMIT WE SURE HAD SOME FINE PARTYING GOING ON IN THOSE DAYS.I CANT BELIEVE AFTER ALL THE SHIT I PULLED MY WIFE STILL LIKES ME.LET ALONE STAYED MARRIED TO ME FOR OVER FORTY YEARS. LOL THE MUSICIANS FROM YEARS BACK WERE NUTS. AND I WAS ONE OF THEM.I SHOULD PREFACE THAT BY SAY MOST OF THE BAR URCANTS WERE CRAZY.

DK

By thecount (65.59.42.41 - 65.59.42.41) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 02:17 pm:

Hey dave,lets get together somenite soon at Jamies.We can sit and B.S. about all the good ol times and crazy days we lived(I still do).Jack and Joyce are always at Jamies Saturday nites.But he does know about the 6th. and they are going to be there,we will probably come together....Speaking of crazy times,I'am barred from the ladies restroom at Jamies by Jamie himself.He told me I'am not allowed in there anymore because I walked in and mooned the girls.I tried to explain that Jack Barr bet me 100.00 dollars that I would'nt do it.Anyhow,when Jamie went back on stage to sing,I danced with Joyce and mooned Jamie,he about shit and brought Lisa up to finish the set,he was laughing so much he couldn't finish the set.So as you can see we still have some good old fashion fun and crazy times.One nite I brought a can of blue spray paint to Jamies with me and was gonna have Jack spray my ass with it,and then when I asked Jamie to do Blue Moon,he said noway,I dont trust you,so it never happened(not yet anyhow) Keep in touch.P.S.I dont know how my wife puts up with me either after all these yrs..She dont go out much but I'am always out,but I always tell her i'll be home by dark30.We have a very unusual marrage problem,we get along. See ya,Steve "the Count"

By Ralph (209.240.222.130 - 209.240.222.130) on Saturday, May 25, 2002 - 03:05 pm:

Count and Dave. We are trying to archive this thread. Please post on GIGOLOS 2. Thanks...Ralph
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