By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 11:49 am:

The following are songs taken from the Jobete catalogue, Jan 1959 - March 1967. Some of these may have been written by George, Grady Thomas, Clarence "Fuzzy" Haskins, Sidney Barnes, et al while they were signed to Motown's New York office; or they could have been written while they were at Golden World. Motown bought all Myto (Golden World) published songs in September 1966.
The Parliaments Golden World 45 "Heart Trouble" was listed, but I don't know if any of these others also made onto vinyl. Any info/comments would be great.

A Lover's Hayride - G Kerr, S Barnes
A Love So Fine - G Kerr, S Barnes, The Tokens
A Small Part Of You - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskins
Accidental Love - G Clinton
Be On Your Way - G Clinton
Girlfriend - G Clinton, Tamala Lewis, Grady Thomas, C Haskins
Heresay - G Clinton, larry Fallon, James Miller
Hold On - G Clinton, E Harris
Holy Smoke - G Clinton, G Thomas, C Haskin
I Feel Good - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
If You Can Stabnd Me - G Clinton
I Found Out The Hard Way - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
I Misjudged You - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
I Waited - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
I Want To Thank You - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
I'm Never Going To Tell - G Clinton, L Fallon, J Miller
I Say Yea - G Clinton, Joy Evans, G Thomas, C
Haskin
It's Unfair - G Clinton
I've Got To Find This Girl - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
Junk Man - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
Keep On Keeping On - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin
Let's Make Some Noise - G Clinton, C Haskin, G Thomas
Love On A Lease Plan - Soloman Burke, L Dixon, Andre Williams, Karl Tarleton. (Was this legally released & who really recorded it?)
Little Fooler - G Clinton, Rose Marie McCoy, J Jackson
Make Plans For Two - G Clinton, S Barnes
Ooo Mother - G Clinton, E Harris
One Girl Too Many - G Cinton, Tamala Lewis
The Beat - Don Davis, J Stribling
The House That Jack Built - R Morris, J J Barnes
West Side Party - G Clinton, Joe Evans, G Thomas, C Haskin
What Did He Do - G Clinton
ditto (That I Didn't Do) - G Clinton, G Thomas, C Haskin
Who Knows It - G Clinton, L Fallon, J Miller
Why Did She Lie - G Clinton, G Thomas, C Haskin
Woe Is Me - G Clintomn, G Thomas, C Haskin
You Are The One - G Clinton, G Thomas, C Haskin
Your Honor - G Clinton, L Fallon, J Miller
Your Love Is Worth The Try - G Clinton, G Thomas, C Haskin
You Won't Say Nothing - G Clinton, E Harris, C Haskin (Is this the Tamala Lewis 45?)

There's quiet a few! I wonder if they were recorded and are in the vaults somewhere. Mmmm...

Graham

By Rich (162.33.235.183 - 162.33.235.183) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 01:57 pm:

Alright Graham !!, I mean ALRIGHT GRAHAM !!!! what a great list. A million Thank-a-roos Dawg, that's great info.

"Accidental Love" was recorded by fellow barber Roy Handy and came out on ther Laurie Label in '63. "What Did We Do" was the flip and is credited as Roy Handy and the Parlets. There were Parlets back in '63!!

"You Won't Say Nothing" is the Vivian "Tawala" Lewis (who is also the mother of George's son Tracey) 45 that came out on Marton in '63. "If You Can Stand Me" was the flip side

"I Misjudged You" was recorded by the Parliaments for Motown's V.I.P. label but went unreleased. Parliament re-cut it for their Chocolate City LP in '75 that came out on Casablanca

"One Girl Too Many" was recorded by Norma Jenkins and came out on George Kerr's Kerr label in '73

"I Say Yeah" was done on The Pets in '65 and "West Side Party" was the flip

I was told that Roy Handy recorded another song for the ill-fated Funkadelic label that released only one 45 in 1968 (Rose Williams of Hot Buttered Soul's great Motown sounding "Whatever Makes My Baby Feel Good"). Wonder which song it was that Roy recorded.

"I'm Never Going to Tell" Hmmmm ... Funkadelic & Phillipe Wynne both recorded a great northern soul sounding song song entitled "I'm Never Gonna Tell it". Given Clinton's re-rehash past, I'm thinking they're the same .. I'll Bet You.

"A Love So Fine" may (I said may) have been recorded by the Tokens who were the vocal group that George Kerr & Sidney Barnes were in together while at Jobete NY.

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 02:05 pm:

Thanks for all the info Rich. Do you know when George signed with Miss Ray/Jobete in New York?
Graham

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 02:10 pm:

Rich

One tiny point to add - A LOVE SO FINE was cut by the Chiffons on Laurie 3195.
(Yes, it is the same song - the writers credit is exactly the same.)

Forgive me for saying this - I always thought the Tokens were a white group: Jay Siegel, Hank Medress, Phil & Mitch Margo. Plus, I believe they started out along with Carole King, Neil Sedaka and Neil Diamond - all destined for the Brill Building and greater success as artists. Any comments??

By Rich (162.33.235.183 - 162.33.235.183) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 02:36 pm:

Well let me think Ritchie, maybe the Tokens isn't right. Clinton, George Kerr, JJ Jackson & Sid Barnes did work outta the Brill building in '63. I've checked it was the Sereneders that was Sid & Kerr's group. I don't know why I trust my memory. Norma Jenkins was in a group known as the Dolls and they recorded for Maltese Records in the early 60's but I don't know of any songs they recorded.

My understanding is that GC worked for Raynoma during part of '63, so the first Parliaments audition was before that possibly in '62. By '65 GC was commuting to Detroit and working for Ed Wingate with Mike Terry & Sidney Barnes. I take known facts and fill in the missing with best guesses, no first hand knowledge.

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 02:46 pm:

Rich

I guess we're possibly both "right". The Tokens began as a loose-knit kind of recording outfit - singers and songwriters, led by Jay Siegel and Hank Medress. The "official" group was possibly created as an entity to put faces to the name, (after the hit The Lion Sleeps Tonight...?) but in the studio, there may well have been others involved - including SB and GC. (I suspect that the "Tokens" writer credit equates to "Siegel/Medress")

A little off-topic but might help..???

By john lester (213.122.204.247 - 213.122.204.247) on Friday, April 12, 2002 - 11:07 pm:

JJ Barnes recorded The House That Jack Built at Hitsville USA

and I Misjudged You...I seen that refernced too..

Have not heard either though

By Mark Speck (65.56.223.117 - 65.56.223.117) on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 05:34 am:

The Tokens discovered the Chiffons and also produced their singles as well (Bright Tunes Productions was the Tokens' company; B.T. Puppy records was the off-shoot of the production company).

So there may be a connection here?

Best,

Mark

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 11:06 am:

Hi Mark

As far as I was aware, the Chiffons - one of my favourite girl-groups - were discovered by Ronnie mack, who went on to manage them. He handed production over to Bright Tunes (aka The Tokens), and the names Margo/Medress/Siegel (and variations) loom large in the Chiffons songbook. Exactly what this has to do with George Clinton, I can't say, but the girls DID make some damn-fine records!

By john lester (213.122.193.70 - 213.122.193.70) on Saturday, April 13, 2002 - 11:51 am:

.....and Ronnie Mack did provide the inspiration for Jimmy Mack..

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 06:49 am:

Rich, Didn't The Dolls had something of a hit with "This Is Our Day" - released on the Maltese label?
Graham

By Ian W (213.122.110.100 - 213.122.110.100) on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 02:36 pm:

Rich

.. and another on Maltese - Norma Jenkins & The Dolls - 'Aeroplane Song'/'A Lover's Stand' which is very hard to find. Did it originally take off?

Graham

'Love On A Lease Plan' was auctioned not too long ago by John Manship on a Golden World acetate and came out on a Goldmine cd. It was attributed to Johnnie Taylor.

By john lester (213.1.128.212 - 213.1.128.212) on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 02:50 pm:

how much did Kim Weston's on Tamla A Little More Love go for...

The auction lasted for so long, I forgot all about it until you mentioned Manship

By Ian W (213.122.6.35 - 213.122.6.35) on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 07:38 pm:

Sorry John, it's too tear-jerking to hear the final bid, so I never find out. He also had the Oma Heard 'My Lonely Heart' in VIP for auction. Is this rare? When I find a new record, I add it to the database along with any pricing I find. I have £15 marked alongside Oma Heard. I suppose some records aren't considered rare until they are - if that makes any sense! (It didn't to me)!

By john lester (213.122.198.43 - 213.122.198.43) on Sunday, April 14, 2002 - 07:43 pm:

trouble is I am not sure I would get to know the final bid if I ring his office..

Oma Heard was hard to find even when I was a boy, let alone now..

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 03:04 am:

"One Girl Too Many" was also released on Maltese -recorded by The Perigents (who were they?). It actualy has Jobete Pub on the label and I guess it's from around 1966 - 67.
I have a couple of Kim Weston EPs (UK Tamla Motown)- one of which includes "A Little More Love" - one of my favorite Motown songs.
Graham

By Rich (162.33.234.209 - 162.33.234.209) on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 12:16 pm:

Ahh, so the version of "One Girl Too Many" that George Kerr did on Norma Jenkins was a re-make. Good lookin' out Graham. The only hit I know of that Norma Jenkins ever had was "Gimme Some (of Your Love)" in 1976 on the Desert Moon label. Although, I believe she was active in the biz & singing back-up for a number of years because I remember seeing her credited on some P-Funk related release but I can't remember what it was. I'm thinking it was in the early 80's. I don't know much about the Maltese label.

By Bob Olhsson (68.53.120.100 - 68.53.120.100) on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 04:04 pm:

I think I remember hearing at the time that Jobete acquired all of Wingate's publishing along with the labels, studio and artists so it could be complex to figure out who originally owned what.

By Ian W (213.1.182.183 - 213.1.182.183) on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 06:07 pm:

There is another thread with Maltese - check out 'Rusty Day' and 'Tera Shirma' threads. Re. 'I Gotta Move', did anyone find out what is the B-side of MLT-104? Also, anyone know if MLT-108 and -109 exist?

Also, I just noticed that the publishing company of Edwin Starr's Ric-Tic item 'I Have Faith In You' is Maltese Music!

By john lester (213.122.200.199 - 213.122.200.199) on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 08:18 pm:

Ricthie

Even I can think of a joke about that record label....or is this TOO obvious for you!

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Monday, April 15, 2002 - 09:31 pm:

No, John - I can't think of a joke.

I think the Falcons were contracted to
somebody else at that time anyway....

Casablanca perhaps?

By Andy rix (195.93.48.189 - 195.93.48.189) on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 10:06 pm:

According to George Kerr Maltese was owned by Bud Grandhoff (my spelling) and was based in New Jersey .... Norma Jenkins was used to demo many of the Kerr-Barnes NY songs including the Motown version of 'Try Love (one more time)', which is unreleased ... George co-wrote 'I have faith in you' but put his wife's name on the credit due to some contractual situation .. without looking at the 45 I want to say her surname was Green but stand to be corrected ... he wrote the 'Airplane somg' as a direct result of a bad flight ... 'This is our day' by the Dolls on Maltese was co-written by Alice Ossman ..Miss Ray's sister ... and she had never heard the song until I sent her a copy some years ago

Andy

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 02:26 am:

Thanks Andy.
Do you know how they came to share the same Detroit address as Golden World? (in Yellow Pages)
Graham

By Marilyn (67.217.183.7 - 67.217.183.7) on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 05:19 pm:

That's funny about Ronnie Mack managing the Chiffons. I never knew him to be into anything but singing rockabilly & pushing "roots" music. I managed him for about 3 years during the 80s,when I lived in Cal. His band backed up a lot of oldies artists for big shows,plus he and James Intveld sang together at many local clubs. He also opened for Ricky Nelson a lot. I have great photos of him & James.
Marilyn

By Rich (162.33.234.231 - 162.33.234.231) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 12:32 pm:

The song "I Misjudged You" was one of the tunes recorded for Motown by the Parliaments around '64, for release on the V.I.P. label but never came out. The song was written by George Clinton, Fuzzy Haskins (parliament vocalist) & Ernie Harris (GC's barbershop partner). The song was eventually re-recorded and released on Parliament's Chocolate City album in '75. The song was published by Sea Agate Publishing. Not Myto (Ed Wingate/Golden World)or Groovesville (Don Davis/LeBaron Taylor/Revilot) or even GClinton's Malbiz. My guess is that this is one of his earlier tunes from his Newark NJ/NYC days. Anybody ever heard of Sea Agate Publishing?

By Cookin with Ian W (62.6.95.187 - 62.6.95.187) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:28 pm:

Also, any American former presidents ever heard of Wart Agate Publishing?

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 07:02 pm:

How about Little Richard Nixon - aka the Georgia Impeach...?

By Ian W (213.122.56.13 - 213.122.56.13) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 09:30 pm:

Tricky, but I think he'd get away with Headline News!

By john lester (213.122.203.171 - 213.122.203.171) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 09:51 pm:

Ian W

Stop encouraging Ritchie...you know what he's like..once he starts...

LOLOLOL

(BUT, even I had to laugh!)

By Ian W (213.122.56.13 - 213.122.56.13) on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 10:12 pm:

John, as though he needs encouraging!

By Looking for Fuzzy (136.181.195.17 - 136.181.195.17) on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 06:24 pm:

Where are the Parliaments now, I know they are touring somewhere, (fuzzy,Grady ect.) they preform
under the name the Original P.

By matt (208.130.56.167 - 208.130.56.167) on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 08:03 pm:

re "love on a lease plan":

this was released as a bootleg 45 on a made-up label called joanne in detroit in the late eighties or early nineties. the b-side, just as good, is called "me and my baby." the (also made-up) singer's name is listed as johnny burke (i think that's where the inaccurate "solomon burke" writing credit comes from). according to andre williams, the singer on those tracks was johnny taylor.

matt

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Monday, July 15, 2002 - 08:12 pm:

I'm sure I've posted this before, but JT's Love On A Lease Plan is out on an official release - Goldmine's "Groovesville Review" Vol.2. The quality is not A1, suggesting it may have been remastered from an acetate, or a copy several generations down from the master. I've never heard of a "B-side" for this track. As the 45 was a boot, is it certain that it actually is Johnnie Taylor?

By Tyrone (192.128.167.68 - 192.128.167.68) on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 12:04 am:

Don't know how revelent this is but George Clinton also wrote "Can't Shake It Loose" off the Diana Ross and the Supremes Love Child allbum. If my memory serves me correctly, Sidney Barnes also had a hand in this song.

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 11:55 am:

Tyrone - that was a song he wrote while at Golden World; it was origianally recorded by Pat Lewis and has a great bass intro' from James Jamerson.
Graham

By Livonia Ken (136.1.1.33 - 136.1.1.33) on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 - 01:24 pm:

According to the Funkadelic Singles Collection liner notes, the credited composers for "Can't Shake it Loose" are Clinton, Barnes, Rose Marie McCoy, & J. Jackson.

By Ian W (62.6.96.113 - 62.6.96.113) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 09:55 pm:

Matt & Ritchie

'Love On A Lease Plan' by Johnnie Taylor (on a Golden World acetate) was auctioned on John Manship's website quite a few months back. I wish I had the money to bid for it!

I've been on holiday recently and am now panicking about catching up on all the new Forum entries. Hello all Forum members!

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.6 - 62.252.128.6) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:08 pm:

Ian

Nice to have you back.

I think you missed Steve Mancha.

Not to worry!

By RonS (65.30.225.13 - 65.30.225.13) on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:42 am:

Rich,
The song "I Misjudged You" by George Clinton, Haskins and Harris is published by Stone Agate Publishing which is part of Jobete and EMI. This is according to the BMI database.

Ron

By Ian W (213.122.52.120 - 213.122.52.120) on Monday, August 05, 2002 - 08:56 pm:

David, thanks for the welcome! I found the Steve/Clyde mail. Now I found Mike Terry praising Levi Stubbs. As quite a few deejays say 'It doesn't get much better than this'.

I am frantically trying to catch up with the Forum entries after the holidays. I've also been fighting with a Yamaha sound card for several weeks now. A description of this would involve language not necessary on the Forum. I think a fair summary would be ...AAAAGH!

By HW (68.37.217.106 - 68.37.217.106) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 01:00 am:

Are we sure the intro for Pat Lewis's "Can't Shake It Loose" is Jamerson? Babbit did a lot at Golden World. I've been listening to it and I know I should be sure which plays it - but I'm not. Clues, please.

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:23 am:

Harry - I once interviewed a bass player named Frank Bryant, who was half of the Just Brothers. He used to hang around the studio and did some sessions for Golden World - he told me he and Jamerson played on Can't Shake It Loose.
Best wishes, Graham

By John Lester (213.1.137.227 - 213.1.137.227) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 07:07 pm:

Graham

You have interviewed alot of people...did these interviews ever get into print....

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:17 am:

Apart from Rose - no, not yet John; I'm saving them for a book I'm working on; but if you have specific questions just drop me a line and I'll do my best to help.
BTW - how did you get on with The Barbee's?
Best wishes, Graham

By John Lester (213.122.202.216 - 213.122.202.216) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:23 am:

Graham.......ok, you made me feel bad now....

I am on the case...but I been up to eyes in "end of financial year" accounts

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:00 am:

Don't fret John. Here's another question for you... What's the story behind the Dot And The Velvelettes 45 on Teek?
Graham

By Greg (192.147.58.6 - 192.147.58.6) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:45 pm:

Teek was a St. Louis, MO label. I haven't quite figured out the Detroit connection, though. I did speak some years ago with a guy named Freeman Bosley who was involved with the label, but I couldn't really get a definitive answer on whether he owned the label or not. I think his name is on one of the Jimmey Soul Clark records on Teek.

By john lester (213.1.133.58 - 213.1.133.58) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 09:51 pm:

You mean "Searching for my man" - I played it so many times now I actually like it. I spoke to Cal about it.........

NOT ME she says DEFINITELY NOT ME.

I think that settles that one for me.

Graham, that one is VERY esoteric...!!! YOU must be a Velv's fan!!!

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:45 am:

John - I don't have many 45s - Motown or otherwise - but I do have Lonely Girl Am I, which I love. The flip is good too.
Graham

By John Lester (213.122.202.39 - 213.122.202.39) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:07 am:

Graham

And wot a classic that one is....

When the Velvelettes appeared at Cleethorpes, me and Cal thought that "These Things" would be the song to repeat. However, "Lonely Lonely Girl Am I" received a HUGE response as the second song of their performance. Ady asked for this song to be the encore and the crowd went WILD. All very emotional it was for me, to see SO MANY people appreciating my favourite ladies. I wish you had been there to see it all