|By brianday (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 10:35 pm:|
aq little query ,i went to a northern soul do on friday,they played a number by ronnie "lady in red" a uptempo number it sounded like mfsb was backing ,i have looked on cdnow for it,did he do a whole album in the studio ,because it sounded
great , is it available on cd also bobby what album or tracks did you do with eng huperdink ,i have been looking for them
|By Ritchie (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 10:40 pm:|
Hi Brian.. and Bobby
Can I add a little query here too?? Can you tell us anything about Eddie Holman, as I suspect you might have worked with him (or am I really going out on a limb here?)
|By phillysoulman (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 10:44 pm:|
The first Ronnie Dyson album done in Philly with Thom Bell in 1972 was called One Man Band and it had the original version of Just don't want to be lonely on Columbia.
Lady in red was produced by Norman Harris around 1975 in Philly. I also produced an album on Ronnie in NYC on Cotillion called Phase 2 and we had an American soul hit called Heart to Heart.
In the mid eighties he had a few singles produced by The Ingrams. I miss him . He was very underrated.
The Englebert album was called After the lovin' and it was a huge American smash, although I do not mention it much because I felt that it would deminish my "soul credibility" therefore putting me forever in adult contemporary heaven.
|By phillysoulman (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 10:48 pm:|
Edie Holman was initially put into the forfront by Weldon and he recorded for Parkway via Harthon on a song called This cant be true, and Been so long and some more that Weldon acan fill in. In 1970 he had a hit with Hey there lonely girl on Abc paramount produced by Pete De Angeles. He later went to Salsoul around 1976. He works regulary and can sing his ass off!!
|By Ritchie (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 10:50 pm:|
Wasn't Weldon one of the Larks?
|By brianday (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 10:51 pm:|
thanks bobby gonna buy that eng album now and and try and find the ronnie dyson album
|By phillysoulman (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 11:12 pm:|
Weldon was the bass singer for the Larks, and not the L.A. group but the Philly one.
Also on the Englebert LP please dont laugh at the "schmaltzy" arrangements. Get a magnifying glass to read my credits!!
|By Ritchie (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 11:29 pm:|
You KNOW which "Larks" I was asking about!
|By John Lester (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 11:46 pm:|
I thought you was larking about......
Please don't throw bricks at me!
|By Ritchie (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 12:06 am:|
Me - larking?
It's a FREE COUNTRY
I'M NOT GONNA GIVE UP
And if I do
YOU CAN TELL
I'LL CRY 1,000 TEARS
YOU KNOW THAT I WILL
OK - I'm off to bed. I know
WHERE I'M NOT WANTED
|By John Lester (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Saturday, March 16, 2002 - 09:30 am:|
You'll be back!!
You can't keep a good man down!
|By phillysoulman (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 05:13 pm:|
Ronnie did a cover of Band of gold , although I am not sure of it's release, or the album on which it appeared, but I will check it out further.
|By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 06:28 pm:|
Hi Weldon here, the Larks was my group, and we did all the back ground singing on Eddie Holmans recodings done on Parkway records,I talked to Eddie last week,I told him about the forum,he told me he liked it,look for him to be on any day.
|By Ritchie Hardin (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 06:57 pm:|
That's great. I was thinking about Eddie the other day, and hought the Forum was the best place to raise the subject!
Speaking of the Larks....
|By Billy Jackson (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 - 10:06 pm:|
I believe I recorded the first album with Ronnie at Columbia ,"If You let me make love to You"(Why Can't I Touch You" "Fever" and "Band of Gold". Thanks,to a Detroit DJ,and radio station there ,who believed in it ,and stayed with it until the Columbia family and the late great,Granny White brought it home.Thanks Detroit!!!!
The"Real" Billy Jackson. I signed Ronnie right the broadway show "Hair".I turned Ronnie over to Thom Bell, when Ronnie's Mother insisted to Clive that I record gospel song's from her churchmembers.Ah,if I only had vision and legal prowess.
|By John Lester (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 09:43 pm:|
My idol, Hank Cosby produced Ronnie Dyson too....
|By Phillysoulman (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 10:54 pm:|
Ronnie could have been a MAJOR star had it not been for his drug abuse problem(heroin)
It did not affect him in the studio, though.
In 1981 Atlantic signed him based on my belief in him and only if he would stop using.
We had somewhat of a hit with Heart To Heart" . He was on Soul Train and it was destined to explode but the powers that be fell short on having it go all the way.
I loved recording Ronnie, and if he were still with us I would do a gospel album on him, as his roots are definitely there. I have some CBS demos
of him doing gospel tunes. Amazing stuff.
|By Ritchie (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Friday, March 22, 2002 - 11:30 pm:|
I loved his cut of When You Get Right Down To It - pure magic!
Those demos sound interesting :o)
|By Billy Jackson (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, March 23, 2002 - 09:46 pm:|
Soulman: Would those CBS demo's be, "God Save The Children", "Black California" or "Ship of Fools"
Ronnie had many ,many problems,Mother,Heroin and immaturity. Still his vocal capabilities were those of an "pure" instrument.I worked very,very hard trying to develop his other talents and abilities. Arethra's problem at Columbia was that she wanted to be Barbra Streisand and that's why Columbia missed her calling. Ronnie's, when I signed him was an enfant compared to her. Anyway,Gospel was never Columbia's great suit.
|By Mike Stewart (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:08 pm:|
You produced lots of stuff on the Tymes....So much in love and also when they came back in the 70s. One was a favourite of mine at the time The Crutch,only an album track but it got quite a lot of plays on late night radio (including mine)in the UK (possibly because the dj could clear off for a cup of coffee etc as it was very long !
Are the guys still around?
|By Carl Dixon London (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 05:26 pm:|
Goin' through the motions - love it!
|By Vinnie Barrett (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Tuesday, July 09, 2002 - 04:47 am:|
Norman Harris and I wrote "Lady in Red'. Thanks for the mention..Vinnie
|By Mark Speck (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 04:49 am:|
Has anyone ever seen the underground movie classic "Putney Swope", directed by Robert Downey, Sr.? Ronnie has a hilarious cameo in this film singing a jingle for acne cream.
It must be SEEN and HEARD to be believed! Rent the movie if you can.
|By Keith Herschell - London (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 10:40 am:|
There is a great Ronnie Dyson track that would be do well in the clubs called 'We can make it last forever'. The only problem for club play is the slow intro. Were there any versions made without it? Incidentally, what a beautiful voice the man had - and what a waste of a great talent.
Also could I ask any of the Philly men that come on the site about a favourite record of mine, 'Your love has got me chained and bound' by Alfreda Brockington on Phi LA of Soul label. What a powerhouse of a song and performance but there is something that has puzzled me for years. As the song progresses, it seems to speed up. Did any of you work on this session, and is the speeding up the fault of the musicians (and if it is would you own up to it?) or is it a problem with the equipment. Or do I need to get my hearing checked.
|By John Lester (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, July 10, 2002 - 07:54 pm:|
We Can Make It Forever..another classic co-written and co-arranged but wholly produced by HANK COSBY.....1974
UK CBS 2430
|By email@example.com (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 06:20 am:|
anyone know what album "lady in red " is on as i cant find the single ,but loads of albums?
|By gary (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 09:00 pm:|
Ronnie Dyson's When You Get Right Down to It is one of my all time favorites. It was released in the spring of 1971 when I was a high school senior and it was a sort of theme song for our senior class. It doesn't get anywhere near the radio airplay it deserves, but it always evokes fond memories for me whenever I hear it BTW, can someone tell me when Ronnie passed away? It's a shame that he left us long before his time like so many others.
|By Greg (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, July 27, 2002 - 10:34 pm:|
I have a spare copy of the "Lady in red" single if you're interested. Contact me off the forum at firstname.lastname@example.org
|By email@example.com (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, July 28, 2002 - 12:30 pm:|
thanks have emailed you
|By Mark Speck (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 - 10:19 pm:|
I believe Ronnie passed away in 1990. If I remember the obit correctly, he'd been in a nursing home for a few years prior to his death.
|By Brian Chin NYC (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 03:09 pm:|
My goodness, what a forum! I can't believe the fine music people the discussion has drawn! Just wanted to mention that there is a very good Ronnie Dyson compilation on Collectables, which incorporates the whole of the "One Man Band" album including my own favorite, "Give In To Love," one more bit of proof that Thom Bell and Linda Creed really were the R&B Bacharach and David.
|By Ralph (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 03:40 pm:|
I believe you're new to the forum. We would like to welcome you here.
|By John Lester (22.214.171.124 - 126.96.36.199) on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:11 pm:|
Give In To Love........isn't that the same as what Dee Dee Bridgewater did on her fabulous Thom Bell LP.....worth the price of that whole album.
Its a pity that I haven't seen that album on CD......
Bobby Eli is on the album, as you would expect.
|By damo (188.8.131.52 - 184.108.40.206) on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 04:23 pm:|
My favourite Ronnie Dyson cut is 1983's "All Over Your Face" - produced by Butch Ingram. It reminds me of dancin' n' groovin' in late night manhatten clubs. what a new york flavor!
|By Phil Reeves (220.127.116.11 - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, August 15, 2002 - 05:52 pm:|
There's a gospel LP track for HOB which is worth hearing if you're a fan who must have EVERYTHING by the man!... "Walk together children".. by The Celestial Choir of Washington Temple ..soloist Ronnie Dyson.