By darnez (216.28.195.147 - 216.28.195.147) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 03:54 pm:

Hi Bobby, My name is Darryl and I am the youngest son of Philly Pioneer D.J. Kae Williams. I am gathering information about my Dad and I was told by Weldon McDougal that you have had some dealings with my dad. Dould you comment.

Thanks

By jack ashford (216.78.131.56 - 216.78.131.56) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:11 pm:

Hi Darryl My name is Jack Ashford, and I had some dealings with your dad. Mike Terry and I produced one of his Artist named Evyon Fair. along time ago. He was a wonderful man . jack ashford

By jack ashford (216.78.131.56 - 216.78.131.56) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:13 pm:

I may not have the name right but I think That was her name. Jack

By darnez (216.28.194.202 - 216.28.194.202) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:30 pm:

Could that be Yvonne Baker from the Sensations (Let Me In)?


Darryl

By phillysoulman (64.12.97.13 - 64.12.97.13) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:35 pm:

Hi Jack ,

Bobby Eli here. It was Yvonne Fair who sang lead with Yvonne Fair and the Sensatios, who were famous for "Let Me In", and the original version
( a ballad version) of I sold my heart to the junkman. When Weldon and I helped out Ian Levine in the search to find the Philly artists for the "Northern Soul" bio-pic, we went to visit Yvonne at her home in North Philly which was across the street from my old junior high school, James G. Blaine!! Originally she was from west Philly. There is a "Northern" favorite which recorded and it is more than likely the one that you and Mike produced.
She was reluctant to perform, as the others had done, due to her bitterness toward the biz. She did although,agree to an interview.
Darryl, E-mail me and we can discuss anything that you like regarding your dad.
Also your brother ,Kae junior is and lod friend of mine.

Cheers,

Bobby Eli

By Soultwine (195.93.48.168 - 195.93.48.168) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:37 pm:

Hi Darryl
sorry to butt in here but I think its Yvonne Fair
of "Stay a little longer" & "It should have been me" fame on Motown.
Also are we talking of the Kae Williams Jr.
who produced those wonderful records on Curtis Hairston in the eighties or is that someone else?.
Phil

By phillysoulman (64.12.97.13 - 64.12.97.13) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 06:37 pm:

OOps, it WAS Yvonne Baker!!!! My Bad.
Typo, and a memory lapse. My lady's name is also Yvonne!!! So there you go!!

By Davie G (213.251.162.249 - 213.251.162.249) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:02 pm:

Bobby,

Yvonne Fair was married to, I think, Sammy
Strain of the O'Jays

By darnez (216.28.195.82 - 216.28.195.82) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:38 pm:

Okay,

Thanks Bobby. I will send you a e-mail with my contact info.

And PHIL, Kae JR. is my brother, Kae Sr. our father who had the Jr Records label in the fifties/sixties.


Darryl

By The 3rd (68.80.164.254 - 68.80.164.254) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 07:53 pm:

Hi guys Kae Williams was a very importent DJ here in Philly, he got me the job at chips dis: he had a morning show, he was the only dj to play blues,in Philly, and he had a record co: called JR RECORDS Solaman Burks, Lee Andrews and the hearts,Yvonne Baker Sensation, and the Silawats(GET A JOB).he did a lot here in Philly
WELDON A. Mc Dougal III

By Billy Jackson (68.80.164.254 - 68.80.164.254) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 09:18 pm:

hey!I am Billy Jackson.I produced the Yvonne Baker recording with Kae, "You Didn't Say a Word"
We recorded it at Reco-Arts in Philadelphia(Today known as "Sigma Sound". Joe Renzetti was the arranger, also from Philly.Kae was our forceful leader, Solomon Burkes, Get A JOb , the silouettes,Let Me In,to name a few, anything.... "True 'N Blue" ,he rccorded. Kae and his lovely wife and partner Vi,were my fist Heroes because they would always have that minute to listen, and advise me which way to go.

By Carl Dixon London (62.31.40.173 - 62.31.40.173) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 09:20 pm:

Billy Jackson

are you the gentleman behind ' Trustmaker' by The Tymes and Flowerpot Productions??

Good to see you hear!

Carl

By Carl Dixon London (62.31.40.173 - 62.31.40.173) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 09:22 pm:

Or should I say - good to see you here!!! And hear your work!

Cheers

Carl

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Tuesday, February 19, 2002 - 09:34 pm:

welcome to the forum billy and darnez

billy were you also known as gene dozier?

'you didn't say a word' is a fabulous recording.

the name billy jackson is so important on the northern soul scene.

By jack ashford (67.32.81.35 - 67.32.81.35) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 02:37 am:

Hi Darryl I just remember the group that we produced had the name sensations in it. Jack ashford

By phillysoulman (205.188.198.179 - 205.188.198.179) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 02:49 am:

David,

Eli here. Here's the story. Billy Jackson who just came on the forum,and Gene Dozier are two different people. The mixup is that Gene(Ugene) Doziers' real name is William Jackson!!!
He made up the name Ugene Dozier, as a tribute to Lamont, and to make people think that he was Lamont's cousin!!!!!!! He used to work on early G&H things like Dusty The Sweets, and Pickett.
No one seems to know where he is now.

By darnez (64.108.107.90 - 64.108.107.90) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 03:59 am:

Another fact I thought about mentioning is the Jr. Records catalog is actually around ( my brother Kae Jr and inherited from Kae Sr.) and if anyone is interested we would be more than happy to hear from you.

By Billy Jackson (205.188.198.174 - 205.188.198.174) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 04:56 am:

Thanks Bobby. I am glad to see that it was nothing personal. I ,however would like to receive some of the royalty funds and recognition Eugene has received in "our" name.
Thanks David and Carl, it is really me and thanks for the kind words and I am glad to be Here, thanks to my pal Weldon Arthur Macdougal the Third..... typos and all.

By billy Jackson (205.188.198.174 - 205.188.198.174) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 05:04 am:

P.S Yes I recorded "Trustmaker", "Miss Grace" and all the others, Including 'The Crutch" I am also so very proud of my Northern contribution. I shall travel there this comming March. P. S. Kae Williams was also known as Daddy Kae!

By Carl Dixon London (62.31.40.173 - 62.31.40.173) on Wednesday, February 20, 2002 - 09:06 am:

Mr Jackson - another honour for us to cherish.

I walked in to a record shop in 1974 and asked what's new out? The guy said take a listen to this - It's called 'you little trustmaker' by The Tymes. It started and I looked at my friend in the eye with surprise. It was different and seemed to 'float'. Then, just a few months later Miss Grace and that opening - it's just like you've gone to heaven, the angels are singing and they are checking your paperwork at the gate to let you in! And then 'Someway Somehow' - great song too. The Tymes have wonderful, wonderful voices and their seasoned style was so evident. To see those disco lights flashing, people moving on the dance floor and most of all being happy makes me so honoured to have been there and witnessed something special in my life. I used to stand on the side of the dance floor trying to work out how you all did this and so well. The strings, guitar and vibes, the bass line that jumps out and vocals. Why didn't I like the same music as most of my friends? Why could I tell a good song at 100 paces - well, to me anyway? It goes so deep and there is an answer that keeps coming up 'tyme and tyme' again! I think it is spiritual and moving and that explains the 'trance' I would be in whilst dissecting all this music. I still do it now and would not be without it. When I bought The Tymes CD it had the slightly different mixes on compared to the hit versions here and I love the extended 'God's gonna punish you', which I hold in very high esteem. My best friend sadly passed on at only 40 years old and he adored the song. He bought the single and never stopped playing it. He always liked more 'modern' soul, things like 'God's gonna' and I remember he bought 'Walk away from Love' by David Ruffin and I could not get to like it! Now, 24 years later, I play these two and I cry for him and the time we spent growing up together at school and our first ventures into the disco, where we started to hear a different type of music like this and learning to dance. Very special music and very special times created by special people.

I thank you

Carl Dixon

By lester (213.122.196.145 - 213.122.196.145) on Friday, February 22, 2002 - 11:51 pm:

Is there anyone else like me who sits and reads a few posts after missing out on a few nights and then sits and gasps at the names on the Forum.

My mouth remains wide open...permanently

By lawway (205.188.201.148 - 205.188.201.148) on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 03:21 am:

Lester
Believe me wandering into this site has opened up a whole new world for me. I actually happened onto this site when I was looking for information on the "Standing in the Shadows of Motown film". Alan Slutsky and a group of high school kids including me played in a Soul band for about 3 years before we all went our separate ways. However I have been in contact with his family and they have been keeping me informed about the progress of the film as well. Besides that my bother former DJ Carl Helm worked with Kae at WDAS and I had the good fortune of meeting him when he was in the studio doing his thing. When I saw Bobby Eli's name I just started remembering all the music that came off of those turntables and watching the lights on the phone light up. There was nothing like the music coming out of Detroit and Philly when I was going through my teen years. This forum is fantastic! Who knows if this site continues to grow like it is and the right connections are made. I'll bet you'll see a new revolution of old heads jamming it up!

There ain't nuttin like that Philly Groove!

Regards

Lonnie

By recordboyusa (208.61.5.193 - 208.61.5.193) on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 04:14 am:

"You Didn't Say A Word" by Yvonne Baker is a fabulous record. I wonder if you were intentionally going for a "Goldfinger" kind of sound with the backing track.

Yvonne Fair (different person) was also quite talented. She even did one record here in Miami, "Say Yeah Yeah", for Henry Stone's Dade label.

Jeff Lemlich
http://www.limestonerecords.com

By John Lester (213.122.204.212 - 213.122.204.212) on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 07:50 am:

Are you all aware of a duet between Chuck Jackson and Yvonne Fair on Motown..........if you don't, you soon will do!!

Watch the release schedules!

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Saturday, February 23, 2002 - 02:48 pm:

welcome lonnie.

yes, i'm sure there are more surprises to come.

stay tuned!

By kaewilliamsjr (63.214.199.210 - 63.214.199.210) on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 03:03 am:

HI My name is KAEWILLIAMSJR son of radio announcer
KAEWILLIAMSJR.I to have entered the record bussiness as a keyboardist and song writer producer for the band breakwater.darnez{my brother}and welden mcdougal3 informed me of
your site and how great it is.I have to say this is a wonderful situation and hope for the best to
you with it.looking forward to hearing from you and many others.I'll also let you and bobby eli
one of our living legends im still kickin it.
Feel free to reach me any time.
GOD BLESS

By Rich (205.188.196.32 - 205.188.196.32) on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 03:42 am:

'Sup Kae, do you mean Breakwater that did "Work It Out"??? This was a Philly Band? Maybe I'm way off bass. Not exactly northern soul but some they made some great jazz-funk that got released around '80, I've got the first album around here and I think there was at least one other. Let's keep talkin Philly up in here.

Peace

By phillysoulman (205.188.197.183 - 205.188.197.183) on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 03:14 pm:

Bobby Eli here.
Key Kae, wassup???? I am glad you found the site. It's a m*******r***r isn't it?
I just want to say to everyone that Kae is indeed
the very talented keyboardist/writer with Breakwater, one of the most underrated Philly self contained bands. He also produced Pretty Poison and The BBQ band and played on many sessions including a lot with Nick Martinelli, and he has a superb, super funky solo cd waiting to be released. My man Kae!!!Truly the best.

By Weldon A. Mc Dougal III (68.80.164.254 - 68.80.164.254) on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 07:05 pm:

this is my main man, I call him the FUNKMASTER,
he has a CD that is going to rock the world, glad to see you on the forum Kae,
WELDON

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 08:29 pm:

welcome to the forum kae.

do you have any pics of your father that we could post on the forum?

By Soultwine (195.93.49.171 - 195.93.49.171) on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 08:49 pm:

Hi Kae,
i'm looking forward to getting your cd.I loved your work especially with Curtis Hairston & BB&Q.
It was a big loss to soul music when he died.
Did you make it over to the UK with Curtis when he did his promo visit?.
Please tell us more about your Dad's work and your latest project.
Phil

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.107.27.25 - 213.107.27.25) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 07:02 pm:

here's a fantastic pic of kae snr supplied by his family.

By Carl Dixon London (62.31.40.173 - 62.31.40.173) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 07:47 pm:

Hi Kae from London! Great photo. I am one of those sad people that loves Radio identifications and memorabilia as well as great soul sounds from Detroit and Philly. I have had a look around and the nearest I got to WDAS, was this;

http://www.reelradio.com/ideas/index.html#gavin71

If you scroll down to 'The R & B dj of the year' section and hit play, then once Real Player is up, move down to 1' 37". You can listen to Philly DJ Jimmy Bishop when he was nominated for the award in 1970! I will see if I can find anything on WDAS and Kae senior. Just love those old jingles.

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.107.27.25 - 213.107.27.25) on Wednesday, March 06, 2002 - 08:23 pm:

carl your surfing skills are amazing!

keep 'em coming.

By phillysoulman (205.188.198.162 - 205.188.198.162) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 03:12 am:

Here I go again!! When I lived on 32nd and Diamond sts. while growing up, that is when I was
first weened off of clasical music DIRECTLY into R&b. The money that I got to buy my lunch was put toward the latest 45. The first single that I bought upon recommendation from a friend was "Come go with me" by the Del Vikings.
I took the 60 cents that my dad gave me and walked DIRECTLY to the KAE WILLIAMS RECORD SHOP
on York street between 32nd and 33rd. street, not far from Fairmount Park. I spent many a day going there on the way home from school and on Saturday afternoons. His lovely wife Vi, and Ruthie, one of the girls who worked there would always let me go through al of the latest releases , some of which were promo items as well. Many times they gave me freebies as well. His store had many , many photos on the wall which today would be priceless. I remember Vi playing me "Get a job" on a 78 on Kaiser, the rarest version of it, then Junior and finally Ember, on two different label types!!! If anyone knows the origin of"Kaiser", you will get a gold medal!!( not you Kae or Daryl)
The rare followup was Headin for the poorhouse.
I first heard Yvonne Baker and the sensations there , Teardrops by Lee andrews and the Hearts, so many future classics right in that funky little store on York street.
On the radio, Kae's primary love was the blues, the REAL BLUES. Howlin Wolf, Muddy,T- Bone,
Etta James,Guitar Slim,Slim Harpo and of course, Jimmy Reed. Every now and then he would sneak in a white record and he would say "here is a little pop number for you all" like At the hop, by Danny and the Juniors for his ehite listeners, although I think that he didn't want to play that stuff by the sound of his voice but he had to.(payola, the five finger handshaake) A man had to feed his kids. Wages were not high at all for Black radio people and they were so underappreciated by the white, Jewish station owners. Max Leon owned WDAS and Dolly Banks owned WHAT.
Kae was an original indeed . Most do not know that he was the bass voice on Get a Job because the real one did not show up at Robinson Labs , next to Gimbels department store where it was cut. WIP radio shared the facility.
Daddy Kae, what can I say!!!!
B.Eli

By darnez (64.108.104.67 - 64.108.104.67) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 03:13 am:

If anyone is interested, I do have some radio stuff of my Dad's from the sixties on WHAT. Drop me message if you like.

Darryl

By Carl Dixon London (195.153.219.170 - 195.153.219.170) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 03:18 am:

Darryl

I have emailed reelradio. I may get a reply. If I do I will let you know!

Cheers

Carl

By darnez (64.108.104.67 - 64.108.104.67) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 03:21 am:

Bobby, Weldon mentioned too me that my Dad sang the bass part on "Get A Job", and I find that very interesting indeed. Seems like you spent quite a bit of time at the record shop indeed. I have a pic of my Mom with Johnny and Joe (Over the mountain) standing in front of the record shop. Unfortunately, many of the pics and other stuff of my dad's has gotten away. My brother and I do have his catalog and my brother is in the process of putting some stuff together from the Junior Records material. You probably saw me at the record shop at least once. Yes as little Darryl though.

I think this site is tremendous indeed and really look forward to checking for the new stuff.

Darryl

By phillysoulman (64.12.101.161 - 64.12.101.161) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 07:28 am:

Hey Darryl,

I do indeed remember you at the shop!!
Man I spent so much time there itis uvbelievable.
You and Kae are so blessed to part of that rich legacy!! Your dad's show echoes in my mind as I write this post, as if it were 1958.
In the 70's and early 80's , when 'das would have
the new years day alumni shows, I couldn't wait to head dad playing those songs of his as only he could. What a memory indeed.

Eli

By darnez (64.108.106.115 - 64.108.106.115) on Thursday, March 07, 2002 - 01:08 pm:

Thanks

By darnez (216.28.193.144 - 216.28.193.144) on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 06:37 pm:

Hey Bobby,

How familiar are you with the early days of Independent Phiily labels such as Junior Records etc...I am trying to look into something about my dad and the early days of Independent record producers. Any info wil be helpful.

Darryl

By darnez (66.72.130.67 - 66.72.130.67) on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 03:22 pm:

If anyone is interested in a radio clip of Kae's I have placed one on this site.

Darryl

http://www.freshtouchconsultants.com/pioneer.htm

By GEOCASSELL (195.93.50.183 - 195.93.50.183) on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 07:49 pm:

HEY FOLKS,
I SEE THAT 'DID'NT SAY A WORD' IS MENTIONED A FEW TIMES. THE ONLY VERSION I KNOW IS THE ONE DONE BY PATTI AUSTIN IN 1972, AND PRODUCED BY NO OTHER THAN BILLY JACKSON IN DETROIT.
LAST YEAR ON SANCTUARY/CASTLE RECORDS OVER HERE IN THE UK, A DOUBLE ALBUM OF NORTHERN SOUL CALLED 'THE IN CROWD' CAME OUT, WITH MOST OF THE TRACKS FULLY REMASTERED, AND INCLUDES PATTI VERSION AMONGST MANY OTHERS.
JUST THOUGHT I'D SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL, BUT I WILL CHECK OUT YVONNE BAKERs VERSION
GEO CASSELL

By david, glasgow, scotland (213.107.27.25 - 213.107.27.25) on Thursday, March 21, 2002 - 10:11 pm:

hi darryl

i got your dad's song ok and what a voice he had. great blues.

i can't access the 'what' option however. can you help?

By darnez (64.108.105.22 - 64.108.105.22) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 07:48 pm:

Does anyone know if Bobby Martin or Bobby Bennett are still around. They did some work with my dad and I am trying to contact as many people I can that worked with him trying to gather information.

Thanks Darryl

By Eli (170.115.179.119 - 170.115.179.119) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 09:07 pm:

Bobby Martin lives in Seattle, and I am looking to contact him soon for a documentary on arrangers. I will keep you posted.
Eli

By John Lester (213.122.198.52 - 213.122.198.52) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:14 pm:

Bobby

Can you make it a clause in the contract that WE get to see it in the UK..please!!

By John Lester (213.122.198.52 - 213.122.198.52) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:20 pm:

Bobby

Can you make it a clause in the contract that WE get to see it in the UK..please!!

By Andy Rix (152.163.204.194 - 152.163.204.194) on Tuesday, March 26, 2002 - 10:56 pm:

I go away for a while & see some of my buddoes are here ... Hi Weldon & Billy Jackson .. I hope you're both behaving yourselves.
Junior Records had some nice tunes .. Yvonne Baker's 'I can't change' & ' Mend the torn pieces' .. which were both recorded by Lorraine Chandler at RCA ..written of course by Jack & my baritone hero Mike Terry (Hi Mr Ashford :-)) ... an Earnestine Eady 45 that was great.... it's amazing the names I see on here
Andy

By darnez (66.72.135.37 - 66.72.135.37) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:05 pm:

Here is a nice pic of two Of Philadelphia's legendary deejays...Kae Williams (left) and Jocko Henderson

By david, glasgow, scotland (62.252.128.5 - 62.252.128.5) on Wednesday, April 10, 2002 - 10:25 pm:

thanks darryl.

i was going to upload it from my office tomorrow.

believe it or not the crashing problems have extended to the connection between the web site and my computer (being admin person).

frustrating or what?

never mind 20 grand story should be up by end of week - at last.