By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:09 pm:

Here's another batch of 45s which I'd like the B side titles for, plus any other additional info.

Reel 114 - The Clervers - Tears

REM 103 - Tommy Frontera - After Tonight
Does anyone know if there are any other releases besides the Gwen Owens 45?

Ricare - Do releases number 1503 and 1504 exist?

Ron Paul 101- The Locations - Mr Diamond

Ruby - Sam E Solo - Bad Bad Whiskey

Sage ? - Katrina Lynn - Talking About My Man
Any other 45s on Sage?

Silhouette - I only have release # 521 listed - The Falcons. Are there any others?

Six Toe - I don't have anything for this label!

Solid Rock ? - The Combinations - While You Were Gone

Sound City - The Sharpettes - Lost In The World Of A Dream

Soul "O" Sonic 500 - Carol Anderson - Tomorrow Is Not A Promise
Any others apart from this one?

Sport 103 - Gordon Berry & Motortown Orch. - How Lonely
I also have listed;
Sport 103 TD - Tony Daniels - How Lonely/Instrumental and think these are the same 45! I used to have it too...dahh.

Storm - I only have release #503 listed - The Chancellors but wonder if there are any others.

Thanks in advance, Graham

By Joe Moorehouse (64.12.97.11 - 64.12.97.11) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:49 pm:

Hi Graham.

The B-side of the Katrinia Lynn 45 (note the spelling of her first name) is just an instro of the A-side. When I run across my copy I'll provide the catalog number. Since it's a Sam Motley record, there's at least a 50-50 chance that it will include the number 47. I don't know why, but a lot of his disks have the number 47 on them. One that doesn't is another Sage 45:

Sage 312 The Hot and Cold Generation
Hot and Cold b/w Spanish Harlem

The only Sixtoe record I've seen is by Cadillac Jack. I'll provide song title and catalog # info when I run across it.

Soul "O" Sonic was an Ernest Kelly label, and like other labels of his (most notably Geneva) moved with him from New York City to Detroit in 1968. So some releases have a New York address and some have a Detroit address. One I have from the NYC days is:

Soul "O" Sonic 102 Ernest Sparks
I'll Be Glad b/w Send for Me

The B-side of the Sharpettes is an instro of the A-side.

You're right about the two Sport releases being the same record.

By Joe Moorehouse (64.12.97.11 - 64.12.97.11) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 12:51 pm:

Erratum: Correct spelling is Katrinia Lynn. My typo.

By matt (208.130.56.167 - 208.130.56.167) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:01 pm:

there's at least one more record on sixtoe: earl english and the apaches, "trying to make ends meet." (can't recall other side.)

another version of this came out on big 8, a related label, credited to the apaches. there seems to have been a lot of battle creek, michigan, involvement in both big 8 and sixtoe.

another related label is toe, which seems to have a florida connection. (the one record i have on toe has a detroit side, possibly by cadillac jack, and a florida side, by arnold albury.) i believe the connection is through henry stone's son-in-law jack milman (not sure whether he's "cadillac jack"), who owned a detroit distributorship called sixtoe. when i spoke to him a few years ago, though, he denied that there was ever a label called sixtoe. i photocopied the earl english 45 and mailed it to him with a long letter and a self-addressed stamped envelope, but i never heard back from him.

can anyone shed any further light on this?

matt

By Joe Moorehouse (64.12.97.11 - 64.12.97.11) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:21 pm:

Catalog # for Katrinia Lynn on Sage is 4723.

Also on Storm is Willie Jones, I Need Love (or I Need a Love--don't remember which). I think the Miracles do the backing vocals on this one, under a different name.

By matt (208.130.56.167 - 208.130.56.167) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 04:26 pm:

i have at least two other singles on soul-o-sonic, i think, though of course i can't remember what the hell they are.

is there a big 8 discography somewhere?

matt

By Joe Moorehouse (64.12.97.11 - 64.12.97.11) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:06 pm:

Matt, the only Big 8 record I seem to run across is that one by Lou, Charlou, et al, or whoever those people are.

Re: Storm. Soul Harmony Singles has the Willie Jones 45 I referred to listed as Willie Jones and the Chimes, on Storm 501. A-side is I Need Love, B-side is Coming Back to You. As I mentioned, I've been told that the Chimes are the Miracles, but I don't know who the source of this tidbit is.

Bob McGrath lists Storm 501 as JJ Jackson and the Jackaels, A Lifetime from Today b/w That Look in Your Eye. He has Storm 502 as JJ Jackson and the Chimes, Let the Show Begin b/w Oo-Ma-Liddi.

Several interesting things here: First, if the sources are right, there are two Storm records assigned catalog number 501. I never realized that the JJ Jackson records on Storm were from the same label as Willie Jones. Both labels are orange, but the graphics are different, and Jones is, if I remember right, on styrene, while the Jackson 45s are vinyl. I see the Jackson singles a lot, and am pretty sure I own them, but I never thought they were from Detroit. McGrath has Storm as a sister label to Twirl, which may mean that, like Twirl, the label began in Detroit (and released Willie Jones) then moved to New York (and released JJ Jackson and the Chancellors). Also like Twirl, some Detroiters remained involved after the move to New York (e.g., the Chimes are on both Willie Jones and JJ Jackson singles). Can anyone confirm or refute all of this supposition on my part?

By Joe Moorehouse (64.12.97.11 - 64.12.97.11) on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 05:32 pm:

Okay, here's some more (can you tell I'm not getting much work done today?).

This info is from McGrath, and I don't own any of these myself, so can't guarantee the accuracy of the data. This always makes me a little nervous. Thousands of people in the UK think there's a record on Impact by a guy called Narbay because it got misspelled once and has been picked up and reproduced for years. So with that disclaimer firmly in place, here's what he lists on Silhouette besides the Falcons 45 you mentioned:

509/510 The Classmates & Don Preston Quartet
Gotta Go See My Baby
Washed My Heart of Love

517/518 The Valdons
A Woman-A Man
Don't Open the Grave

519/520 Jim Beasley & the Charmers
Caught Roped and Tied
Sweetheart of the Alpha Phi Alpha

522 The Charmers
Letters Don't Have Arms
Rock, Rhythm, and Blues

By Joe Moorehouse (64.12.97.11 - 64.12.97.11) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:39 am:

Found my JJ Jackson on Storm--it's from Los Angeles. Call me mystified.

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 07:09 am:

Joe and Matt - thanks very much.
I also have Storm linked wth Twirl. Another label I saw recently is Terrific! - which has a Don & Juan song that was also released on Mala. Does anyone know if this is a Detroit label?
I know the Windsor based radio station CKLW was known as the Big 8 due to it's wattage or something. I'll post what 45s I have listed for Big 8 later today.
Cheers, Graham

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:42 am:

All I have for Big 8 is...

#3001 - Apaches - Pull Together/Willie's Blues

#1972? - Jesse Porter - Now I Think I'm Ready/?

Graham

By Davie G (213.251.162.249 - 213.251.162.249) on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 04:17 pm:

Graham, Joe, Matt

Terrific is, i believe, a reissue label

REM 103 Tommy Frontera - How To Love Him

Ron Paul 101 THE LOCATIONS
MR. DIAMOND (Ronald Davis) RPR001
HE'S GONE RPR002 [?]

Silhouette 517/8
I have this listed as by the Val-Doros

Six-Toe
The Earl English disc is news to me - presumably the same guy as on Invictus ?

Solid Rock W-001 THE COMBINATIONS
WHILE YOU WERE GONE (Frazier-Hightower)
THE FEELING IS FINE ( )
Prod : Frazier - Hightower

Sound City -
I've the artist listed as the Sharpets

SoulOSonic 501 CAROL ANDERSON
ONE WOMAN'S MAN

SoulOSonic 502 CAROL ANDERSON
WE'VE GOT ENOUGH
TOMORROW IS NOT A PROMISE

REM 101 SANDY AND THE STY-LETTS
I'VE GOT TWO LOVES / WISHING STAR

REM 106 FRANK KINSEL
FRANKIE, SHE DON'T LOVE YOU / ?

Ricare 1400 PAT PATTERSON
BE A MAN / ?

Ricare 1502 ST.PAUL A.M.E. CHURCH CHOIR
JESUS PRAYED AS THEY SLEPT / WHEN I SEE A MOUNTAIN

Solid Rock 003 DAVE BANYASE AND THE SHY GUYS (67)
JUST A LITTLE BIT / OPEN THE DOOR

Silhouette 516 JAN WYNN 1957
LOLLIPOP HANDS / ?

Silhouette 521/2 THE FALCONS 12/57
CAN THIS BE CHRISTMAS (Schofield) H08W-0211
SENT UP (Finney-Taylor) H08W-0212

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 04:57 am:

Thanks Davie -that's jogged my memory; You may know that Barbara Mercer sang in a group called The Styletts on the Pillar label 45. When I asked about this disc (above) a while ago she said that she didn't know about it - or Sandy.
Graham

By acooolcat (211.72.121.66 - 211.72.121.66) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 07:46 am:

Davie - I have a photocopy of the Terrific! label and it doesn't look like a reissue job.
Graham

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:01 am:

Davie - I have the master number(s) for The Falcons' 45 reversed - please check as I'm sure I got my info' off the 45.
Graham

By Davie G (213.251.162.249 - 213.251.162.249) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:19 pm:

Graham,

re the Falcons - I think I got the matrices from
Robert Ferlinghere's book - if you got yours from the 45 I'll go along with that.

Re Terrific - maybe there's two labels with the same name - the Terrific I'm thinking of put
out the Castaways "Liar Liar" which was originally
on Soma.

By Greg (192.147.58.6 - 192.147.58.6) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 01:45 pm:

Terrific! is most definitely a re-issue label. The Don & Juan has "What's your name" (originally on Big Top) on one side and "All that's missing is you" (originally on Mala) on the flip side.

The Castaways (and other hit records) are all on that same Terrific! label.

By acooolcat (211.78.28.80 - 211.78.28.80) on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 11:19 pm:

Thanks Greg, that settles it.
Graham

By acooolcat (61.222.95.58 - 61.222.95.58) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 10:53 am:

Joe- the only Storm 45 I have listed is;
#503- The Chancellors - My Thoughts To You/I Really Do

Graham

By Keith Rylatt (195.92.194.12 - 195.92.194.12) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:08 am:

Graham Sorry to interupt this thread, could you E mail me please, keithsally50@hotmail.com

By Ritchie (62.254.0.6 - 62.254.0.6) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 11:51 am:

We now return to our regularly scheduled program...

By Flynny (213.122.202.157 - 213.122.202.157) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 12:25 pm:

Graham, could you mean:
RUBY 5090 SAMMY SOULO* - BABAY BABY/ONE SCOTCH ONE BOURBON ONE BEER
*-note spelling.

The two Sport numbers do exists as seperate 45's with those catalogue numbers.

RICARE 101 HENRY L.WILLIAMS - I'M CRACKING UP/?
RICARE 1505 TED FLOWER - SENTIMENTAL JOURNEY TWIST/?

The Don & Juan Terrific label is a rissue label (as Greg says), but has caused confusion on the NS scene as it has a "Frankford & Wayne" dead-wax stamp, hence some folk thought they were "original" for want of a better term.

The J.J.Jackson track, "Let the show begin" also came out on Prelude (NYC) and on believe it or not, Candix, although it's not in the discography I have for said label, and the only copy I've seen is a WD.

Of course, then there's also the Storm label which was tied into the Latin label, Speed, and issued Tony Middleton's "Spanish maiden" on both those labels! :-)

By Greg (192.147.58.6 - 192.147.58.6) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 02:39 pm:

I have something on Ricare. I'll have to dig it out. I don't remember it being particularly good, however. Are you sure th JJ Jackson on Prelude is from NYC? I think that's from California ("Oomalidi" is on the flip, I think), and the JJ Jackson on that record is actually June Jackson. He recorded under the name JJ until the NY JJ Jackson had his hits on Calla, Loma, etc (e.g. "But it's alright") and took "ownership" of the name "JJ Jackson".

By Davie G (213.18.222.34 - 213.18.222.34) on Friday, August 09, 2002 - 04:24 pm:

Greg,

thanks for the info. on June "JJ" Jackson -
those records have puzzled me for years !